tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post5881592744183994336..comments2024-03-28T11:21:41.326+00:00Comments on SCOT goes POP!: The tectonic plates shift as Pete Wishart - yes, PETE WISHART - declares that the referendum option is closed off and that every election from now on must be a de facto vote on Scottish independenceJames Kellyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01516007141763230886noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-84927336466595880132023-05-12T11:25:29.726+01:002023-05-12T11:25:29.726+01:00Its Westminster anon, so only one first past the p...Its Westminster anon, so only one first past the post vote.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-29595668979622889932023-05-12T08:23:10.860+01:002023-05-12T08:23:10.860+01:00Is James ok? He has been very quiet recently.Is James ok? He has been very quiet recently.FitzyFannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-88397068571625006442023-05-11T11:23:55.893+01:002023-05-11T11:23:55.893+01:00Keaton - seemingly Thatcher said it in her memoirs...Keaton - seemingly Thatcher said it in her memoirs. Personally, I haven't bothered to buy a copy to check as I really don't think it is important. What does it matter if Thatcher said this or Major said that. What is important is that the SNP have a leadership and a membership who want independence and will not bow to Westminster. We do not have that at present under Yousaf. So we will have to endure more phoney promises from the SNP for years to come thanks to numpties who supported Sturgeon and then Yousaf. Independence for Scotlandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10335330210460885789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-12670110738119008222023-05-11T08:56:01.630+01:002023-05-11T08:56:01.630+01:00What is this wet fart Wishart vomiting about. The ...What is this wet fart Wishart vomiting about. The SNP alraedy have an electoral mandate to fuckin hold a Referendum. Get tae Fuck on with it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-33760513038614073562023-05-10T17:37:31.960+01:002023-05-10T17:37:31.960+01:00Don't misunderstand me(Stevie) - I'm fkn i...Don't misunderstand me(Stevie) - I'm fkn irate with the last 8 years of the castrated Sturgeonista SNP - though nobody wanted to hear what a traitor I considere her to be to the cause of independence she was from Day 1 (people hear/see what they want to) - but we are where we are, so time to make up and move on. 81/2 years lost and still the Sturgeonista only see perfection - but only way ahead is together.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-3838332038387570662023-05-10T12:16:31.479+01:002023-05-10T12:16:31.479+01:00James, know anything of a new Survation [True Nort...James, know anything of a new Survation [True North] poll showing Alba on 6% in Glasgow?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-87238743915437166182023-05-09T17:30:44.190+01:002023-05-09T17:30:44.190+01:00Keaton, I like your thinking. I wonder if that'...Keaton, I like your thinking. I wonder if that's occurred to Mr Wishart?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-4330627364302482032023-05-09T12:17:34.944+01:002023-05-09T12:17:34.944+01:00Agreed that other parties would have to put a line...Agreed that other parties would have to put a line in their manifesto.<br /><br />But that line would have to be explicitly that a vote for Alba Party or ISP or SSP etc would be a vote that would count towards the total all-pro-Indy party vote to end the Union.<br /><br />Currently Wishart is stating explicitly that 50% for SNP only would count.duncaniohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09709652893509971091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-6057986393594075122023-05-09T12:13:34.585+01:002023-05-09T12:13:34.585+01:00Stevie instead of focussing on what Alba may or ma...Stevie instead of focussing on what Alba may or may not do you would do well to remember Both Votes SNP which was way more than self indulgent.<br /> "Pete's a good guy" - aye right. Wishart contributed along with many other SNP devolutionalists to a decade of wasted years. Independence for Scotlandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10335330210460885789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-28283898509495252732023-05-09T11:43:40.744+01:002023-05-09T11:43:40.744+01:00Remember “both votes SNP”? How many Tories did tha...Remember “both votes SNP”? How many Tories did that let in?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-57373036683400013472023-05-09T11:42:20.066+01:002023-05-09T11:42:20.066+01:00Surely for votes for other parties to count toward...Surely for votes for other parties to count towards the total, it's up to them to put a similar line in their manifestos? The SNP can't speak for them.keatonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-4220912976202733322023-05-09T10:18:13.306+01:002023-05-09T10:18:13.306+01:00What Pete Wishart actually said was:
"What I...What Pete Wishart actually said was:<br /><br />"What I believe should now happen is that we contest every election with the first line of each successive manifesto stating that ‘if the Scottish National Party secures 50% plus of the vote this will mean Scotland will become an independent nation’." (https://archive.is/4xC89#selection-1701.3-1701.252)<br /><br />So, whilst his position may have changed, he's referring to ballots for SNP only that count towards the 'Independence vote total'.<br /><br />So maximise the SNP vote will likely produce a lot of SNP MPs but would not be sufficient on its own to get 50%+ of the total.<br /><br />I'm not getting too excited.duncaniohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09709652893509971091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-88015965232108667762023-05-09T10:01:45.088+01:002023-05-09T10:01:45.088+01:00Well that's what it should always have been, i...Well that's what it should always have been, instead of a referendum that even in Ireland has never been used to obtain IndependenceAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-6432227128331850022023-05-09T09:32:26.671+01:002023-05-09T09:32:26.671+01:00Prior to March 2000 every Parliamentary election a...<i>Prior to March 2000 every Parliamentary election actually was a referendum on independence. The accepted position of the unionist parties - including Thatcher and Major - was that a majority of SNP MPs elected at a UK general election was a mandate for independence negotiations to commence.</i><br /><br />Can we once and for all get a citation for this? Where and when exactly did Thatcher say it (and apparently Major too, now)? Only source I can find is a Twitter meme, which makes me suspect this is a "Don't believe everything you read on the internet - Abraham Lincoln" situation.keatonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-83208760430187212772023-05-09T07:31:06.089+01:002023-05-09T07:31:06.089+01:00Something else - there are Brit agents in the SNP ...Something else - there are Brit agents in the SNP and there are Brit agents in Alba - make sure the priority is always furthering indy and not Alba - there are good people in Alba, just make sure you listen to those and not be swayed by the wrong voices.Steviehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18226832161404154663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-70625509179677262302023-05-09T07:28:57.960+01:002023-05-09T07:28:57.960+01:00No thanks - prefer a pro-indy candidate, even if h...No thanks - prefer a pro-indy candidate, even if he or she isn't exactly what I want. Pete's a good guy - he's helped our movement (can't say I've been happy with some of his rhetoric but I'd much rather have him in the seat than a Brit. Should Alba be responsible for the movement losing MPs or SMPs then many will consider them self-indulgent tit-for-tat enemies of independence. I recommend to Alba to be very careful what it wishes for.Steviehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18226832161404154663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-65043853694328587382023-05-08T22:31:05.188+01:002023-05-08T22:31:05.188+01:00Hanvey was elected as an independent. Hanvey was elected as an independent. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-58458999430705688312023-05-08T17:54:20.148+01:002023-05-08T17:54:20.148+01:00It would but since they were originally elected as...It would but since they were originally elected as SNP candidates I think it would make much more impact if they were re-elected as Alba candidates with a manifesto pledge not to take their seats. <br /><br />I think Alba's official policy is action through disruption by its MPs in Westminster and to be fair they have both caused stooshies in the past but it is a limited policy because Westminster can simply change the rules in order for disruption to be negligible one-off occasions. Far better to keep pro independence MPs permanently away from the cesspit in order for the rest of the world to see just how much a sick undemocratic joke Westminster truly is. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-35083163869284531812023-05-08T17:28:55.466+01:002023-05-08T17:28:55.466+01:00And let in a Tory?And let in a Tory?Tukeynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-15301443591866981672023-05-08T17:20:47.406+01:002023-05-08T17:20:47.406+01:00And how would putting another tory into Westminste...And how would putting another tory into Westminster be constructive ? Progressive politics is about improving lives not about replacing sad chancers with vicious swine. I'll vote Alba where they have a chance or where it doesn't help our enemies. SNP where only they can beat the unionists.Alt Clutnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-91274426890113966792023-05-08T14:51:00.041+01:002023-05-08T14:51:00.041+01:00Alba actually has two MPs in Westminster at the mo...Alba actually has two MPs in Westminster at the moment - MacAskill and Hanvey. Would it not be open to either of them just now to stop going to Westminster? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-82315989582325567282023-05-08T14:25:59.501+01:002023-05-08T14:25:59.501+01:00Hopefully Alba's stance on all this will be ma...Hopefully Alba's stance on all this will be made clearer at Saturday's conference. It needs to be clearly more radical than the SNP if it is to attract disappointed SNP supporters. Copy Sinn Fein's policy of not taking up seats if elected to Westminster? Unlikely at the moment to see Alba winning a Westminster seat but they should state abstentionism as their policy nonetheless. All good publicity IMO. No point in Alba just being SNP 2.0Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-56309520911440508612023-05-08T14:23:48.476+01:002023-05-08T14:23:48.476+01:00Pete came within 18 votes of loosing out to the To...Pete came within 18 votes of loosing out to the Tories in 2017. If ALBA ran a candidate against him next year and Pete promoted the devolutionist stance of NuSNP under Yousaf, “pension Pete” would be living aff that pension sooner rather than later.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-38452671961381857932023-05-08T14:13:59.587+01:002023-05-08T14:13:59.587+01:00Sounds to me that you got it right.
Unionists did...Sounds to me that you got it right. <br />Unionists didn't consider that majorities were going to be possible. Now their days of posturing as democrats on this issue are far behind them. <br />Our move !Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-35857790413472492172023-05-08T13:46:32.669+01:002023-05-08T13:46:32.669+01:00Prior to March 2000 every Parliamentary election a...Prior to March 2000 every Parliamentary election actually was a referendum on independence. The accepted position of the unionist parties - including Thatcher and Major - was that a majority of SNP MPs elected at a UK general election was a mandate for independence negotiations to commence. As I constantly remind people whenever this issue is raised, that particular position of the SNP was changed when Alex Salmond led the SNP. I was at the meeting of the National Council in the Mitchell Library Theatre when Alex Salmond, supported by Kenny MacAskill, persuaded a majority of those present to vote in favour of altering the policy. I voted against it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com