tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post5747729411842714517..comments2024-03-28T13:13:12.506+00:00Comments on SCOT goes POP!: This may seem impossible, but the UK government is even less committed to the Sewel Convention today than it was yesterdayJames Kellyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01516007141763230886noreply@blogger.comBlogger63125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-88368815228166688122018-07-06T15:21:31.598+01:002018-07-06T15:21:31.598+01:00And Stalin wasn't a psychotic murderer.And Stalin wasn't a psychotic murderer.Katie Boylenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-40067741672732824952018-06-17T13:36:20.084+01:002018-06-17T13:36:20.084+01:00Well said, Jacob.Well said, Jacob.Iain Taylornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-59371493901707289092018-06-17T13:34:41.084+01:002018-06-17T13:34:41.084+01:00Why on earth would you feel foreign? Surely one as...Why on earth would you feel foreign? Surely one as an individual is the norm to oneself therefore can't become foreign. Unless one feels that others are a norm to which one should confirm. Which is kind of sad in an adult.Iain Taylornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-81908374654012145722018-06-17T13:05:37.896+01:002018-06-17T13:05:37.896+01:00Westminster is making clear to Scots that as long ...Westminster is making clear to Scots that as long as we remain part of the UK,democracy in Scotland is the gift of Westminster.<br />This is clearly at odds with Scotland's historic constitutional position where it is the people of Scotland who decide.<br />This has to be resolved one way or the other now that London has declared devolution dead.<br />bringitonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10712089398887269381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-19376809046993063262018-06-17T08:17:48.536+01:002018-06-17T08:17:48.536+01:00Please don’t be harsh. My view is a perfectly acc...Please don’t be harsh. My view is a perfectly acceptable and reasonable one, just like yours.<br /><br />GoodbyeUnion 2.0https://www.blogger.com/profile/16006292834539508418noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-53145978560203045952018-06-16T20:40:04.890+01:002018-06-16T20:40:04.890+01:00Ok there are more than a few fat ugly women in Gle...Ok there are more than a few fat ugly women in Glesgie and some look like men however they are mainly confined to the bus stops in Union Street.<br />What is left of the facade could be placed in a new single tier low level building next to a fire station. NOTED wee Knickerless McFudd got another photo opp as she does.GWC2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-78306190461318827382018-06-16T17:54:08.431+01:002018-06-16T17:54:08.431+01:00 And good riddance to the ugliest and most over-... And good riddance to the ugliest and most over-rated building in the ugliest city with the ugliest citizens on Planet Earth.<br /> Not a penny of Government money should go towards replacing it. Glasgow can try paying for itself instead of being a parasite on the rest of Scotland. The true subsidy junkies all have a GL postcode. Sectarian bigots every last junkie razor gang corrupt councillor and biased parochial media member.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-4235162008029932682018-06-16T12:36:46.038+01:002018-06-16T12:36:46.038+01:00You Say 'Yes' Unionion2.0 ?
So, THIS Parl...You Say 'Yes' Unionion2.0 ?<br /><br />So, THIS Parliament has already voted for another referendum, it still has a parliamentary majority for it and the Scottish government has a manifesto commitment to hold another referendum if we leave the EU. That is a democratic mandate from the Scottish electorate to hold another Independence referendum any time before the next Holyrood elections. Yet you still do not support the right of our Parliament to hold that referendum with the agreement of Westminster (as per the UK constitutional precedent set by the signing of the Edinburgh Agreement the last time this situation arose in 2012) <br /><br />So your 'Yes' answer is actually a 'NO' <br /><br />Why did you feel you had to lie like that Union2.0. All I am asking for is your honest answer (as I have tried to give to all your questions). You are coming across as very evasive and uncomfortable with the unfortunate logic of your emotional position of support for the current tactics needed in defense of your Union? I feel for you but you and others have to come to terms with the colonial realities of what this undemocratic 'defense of your union' entails. You can then honestly own that odious position if you want, but don't try and pretend that it is in any way democratic and that you are interested in discussion and debate over Scottish democratic constitutional principles. You are not. <br /><br />Everything else you have said in your last post is wishful thinking and assumption which is neither here nor there when it comes to the current constitutional crisis facing Scotland and the UK.<br /><br />I am disappointed to say that my search for an honest positive case for your Union goes on. Hoped you might have been able to help but perhaps there simply is not one left. Only the emotional ones that I and many others obviously cannot share.<br /><br />This, above all, is why the UK is finished as a democratically accepted entity. Trying to defend it puts nice, reasonable guys like yourself into the emotional position of being forced to lie in defense of it for lack of an actual democratic case.<br /><br />I truly feel for you Union2.0 but its too self indulgent and dangerous a position for you or anybody else to hold without getting properly called out for it. It's colonialism and we all know how that usually dies if left to fester...<br /><br />braco Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-42595415187195177102018-06-16T10:02:54.456+01:002018-06-16T10:02:54.456+01:00Does that mean you want a referendum every few yea...Does that mean you want a referendum every few years to check it’s still the consensus?<br /><br />Yes if the population democratically vote for a government that has it in their manifesto as a central commitment.<br /><br /><br />Should the other UK countries do the same?<br />Yes of course, if their population feels strongly enough to elect a governing party with that as a manifesto commitment. The decision is about their country and not another populations country.<br /><br />How often should the question be asked?<br />As often as the population vote for a governing party that promises it in their manifesto and that party secures the parliamentary majority to pass it. <br /><br />If there’s a yes vote tomorrow should there be another vote the next year before we’re actually declaring independence?<br />Of course not. The next parliamentary mandate for another referendum could only be won by a party standing in the next elections with a manifesto commitment to form an Union with rUK. If they win power and can secure a parliamentary majority for that referendum then we hold the referendum. Same as we have had to do. Its not difficult democratic principle to follow Union2.0<br /><br />At what stage do you put a nation’s stability first?<br />What nation Union2.0? UK is not a nation. It is a multinational state. History has shown (Uk history) that a nation forced against the will of it's democratic majority into a constitutional arrangement controlled by its larger neighbouring nation, will not remain stable. In fact it will be the cause of massive political instability and a source of violence. This is the lesson of the collapse of Colonialism worldwide. Britain's history is drenched in it and it may be reignited with this latest bout of Empire2.0 nostalgia if the good Friday Agreement gets reneged upon.<br /><br />There Union2.0 all answered. Perhaps you could try answering my one simple question from before? <br /><br />Should Scotland remaining in the UK be by the continued consent of its population?<br /><br />bracoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-45521150477118604032018-06-16T09:12:03.056+01:002018-06-16T09:12:03.056+01:00That’s fine. Does that mean you want a referendum ...That’s fine. Does that mean you want a referendum every few years to check it’s still the consensus? Should the other UK countries do the same?<br /><br />How often should the question be asked? If there’s a yes vote tomorrow should there be another vote the next year before we’re actually declaring independence?<br /><br />At what stage do you put a nation’s stability first?Union 2.0https://www.blogger.com/profile/16006292834539508418noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-29666797962897356852018-06-16T07:25:32.632+01:002018-06-16T07:25:32.632+01:00Sorry Union2.0, that last 7:23 anon was me.
braco...Sorry Union2.0, that last 7:23 anon was me.<br /><br />bracoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-70724107730409196752018-06-16T07:23:18.138+01:002018-06-16T07:23:18.138+01:00All very well Union2.0 but currently a very large ...All very well Union2.0 but currently a very large % of the Scottish population does not want what you 'wish for'. So, answer me this please: Should Scotland remaining in the UK be by the continued consent of its population? <br /><br />If Yes, then how can you be against finding out if that consent exists? You are currently supporting a position where a democratically and proportionally elected Scottish Parliament is being denied the right to ask its population that simple consent question (and denied by a government that the Scottish population did not elect). <br /><br />If No, then you need to step away from any claims of being a democrat and come to terms with the fact that the policy you are advancing is colonial. <br /><br />Scotland remaining within the UK is a matter of consent. That consent has only ever been asked once in over three hundred years. It is now simply not acceptable to try and keep the UK together by denying the electorate of Scotland their democratic right to express consent to continued participation in the UK.<br /><br />Its time, long overdue, that the Union started making an honest and positive case for its existence. I do not think there is such a case but a referendum campaign is the political stage where both sides can be heard and that consent decision can be made. That is now the only way an entity like the UK can continue while remaining 'democratic'<br /><br />Please answer the Question Union2.0 so I know whither to continue debating with you or not. Thanks. <br /><br />Should Scotland remaining in the UK be by the continued consent of its population? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-63553092445070298192018-06-16T03:43:07.078+01:002018-06-16T03:43:07.078+01:00Of course they won't grant a Section 30 order....Of course they won't grant a Section 30 order. The referendum will have to go ahead without one. That's been obvious for some time.James Kellynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-72736752532590666952018-06-16T01:41:18.425+01:002018-06-16T01:41:18.425+01:00How about we make artybagger pay for the new glasg...How about we make artybagger pay for the new glasgow art school since she's now responsible for twice burning the original to the ground?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-50166748462335059492018-06-15T23:57:09.398+01:002018-06-15T23:57:09.398+01:00It is a unitary state. The difference is we’re a p...It is a unitary state. The difference is we’re a people of a land currently united, we don’t need an international border on Great Britain. That’s my wish, not independence but powers from within.Union 2.0https://www.blogger.com/profile/16006292834539508418noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-2029302228979926562018-06-15T22:57:03.537+01:002018-06-15T22:57:03.537+01:00so what ? Austrians and Germans are practically th...so what ? Austrians and Germans are practically the same, so are portugese and Spanish. Does'nt mean they are in the same state. <br />The UK is not a unitary state anyway, its a dual monarchy, the parlimentary integration of England and scotland was an 18th century security mechanism to prevent a Stuart restoration hardly the basis for a 21st century political structure.jeans-jacqueshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10209313475974449077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-11367388654434297352018-06-15T21:33:51.141+01:002018-06-15T21:33:51.141+01:00al skinner, perhaps you can explain what they were...al skinner, perhaps you can explain what they were clapping! MAYBE they just have the clap!! Maybe they did not know this shit was anti semite anti Jewish, anti human.Holocaust Victimsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-43213133558651021622018-06-15T21:23:25.375+01:002018-06-15T21:23:25.375+01:00We supposedly have intelligent people with a sense...We supposedly have intelligent people with a sense of history in authority in our country! SEEMS NOT.Holocaust Victimsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-77457965696831811052018-06-15T21:07:35.385+01:002018-06-15T21:07:35.385+01:00Union2.0 'I think the English and Scots are th...Union2.0 'I think the English and Scots are the same. Same land same people'<br /><br />Very different political culture though, and that;s the point. <br /><br />You are sounding very 'blood and soil' there Union2.0. One people one land? FFS!<br /><br />braco Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-990122881669656562018-06-15T20:48:41.901+01:002018-06-15T20:48:41.901+01:00Union 2, yeah absolutely, all the many countries t...Union 2, yeah absolutely, all the many countries that fought the Nazis were doing the right thing. But how I wish Scotland had been independent and kept out of the Bushite disaster in Iraq.Al Skinnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00131219905689635124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-12108031637137363802018-06-15T20:45:25.094+01:002018-06-15T20:45:25.094+01:00Yeah was absurd on part of parliamentary authoriti...Yeah was absurd on part of parliamentary authorities but the clapping msps knew sod all about him so let's not pretend they were clapping nazism. Al Skinnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00131219905689635124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-13884942635813060982018-06-15T20:06:53.051+01:002018-06-15T20:06:53.051+01:00I honestly don't think Westminster will grand ...I honestly don't think Westminster will grand another section 30 request.Illynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-67096051702221411032018-06-15T20:06:36.014+01:002018-06-15T20:06:36.014+01:00Scottish Nationalists applaud Ukranian fascist.Scottish Nationalists applaud Ukranian fascist.Vlad Putinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-21603005654048974722018-06-15T20:05:33.994+01:002018-06-15T20:05:33.994+01:00So you'd sit there and sit quietly while you&#...So you'd sit there and sit quietly while you're eaten when all the wolves vote for you?<br /><br />I honestly cannot comprehend your thought process there.Illynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-31088014621736553022018-06-15T20:04:24.352+01:002018-06-15T20:04:24.352+01:00I think the English and Scots are the same. Same l...I think the English and Scots are the same. Same land same people.Union 2.0https://www.blogger.com/profile/16006292834539508418noreply@blogger.com