tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post4978989332673608098..comments2024-03-29T08:47:02.579+00:00Comments on SCOT goes POP!: Ruth Davidson and the 300 year Reich : never let it be said that the anti-independence brigade are losing the plotJames Kellyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01516007141763230886noreply@blogger.comBlogger105125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-727556085966109102015-01-17T19:41:48.395+00:002015-01-17T19:41:48.395+00:00the true of all nations gained independence the true of all nations gained independence Hp Android dan Paket Internethttp://www.oshpandroid.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-43151929786813725472014-09-30T15:02:50.867+01:002014-09-30T15:02:50.867+01:00Does your dictionary definition of referendum incl...Does your dictionary definition of referendum include words like "never to be repeated, fixed, a forever decision"? Because I must admit mine doesn't.James Kellynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-3229657677645401102014-09-30T14:58:07.600+01:002014-09-30T14:58:07.600+01:00"Quite frankly I can't belive some of you..."Quite frankly I can't belive some of you are actually referring to the referendum as an election. They are two completely different things. Look them up in a dictionary."<br /><br />sorry doughboy, the yessers got me confused by wanting another referendum in 5 years time, and then another one after that if they lose, and then etc etc :-)SayNoToYesMennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-67676804807019744612014-09-30T09:29:51.387+01:002014-09-30T09:29:51.387+01:00November13
Had it up here as well 'is your li...November13<br /><br />Had it up here as well 'is your life that bad?'<br /><br />It's always very interesting to ask them what the uk debt is, as well as the deficit and whether they think that money can EVER be paid back, a quick look at the graph showing money borrowed over the years is also enlightening to them. What happens when the bubble bursts (again) as USUK capitalism is so fond of doing?<br />Bank bailouts? What will their interest rates be then? House prices? <br /><br />There are so many stupid people out there who are firmly entrenched in the Chicago School of Economics theories rather than the Adam Smith theories. It's disappointing, but keep the chin up. Economy keeps bursting every 10 - 15 years and it's just accepted!? It doesn't have to be like that ffs.<br /><br />Flockers and SayNotoYesmen - Always thought that the yes campaign was not reaching the middle class that they needed to reach, Wealthy Nation didn't really seem up for it, an alternative manifesto should have been put out to reflect them.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /> chalksnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-55509558550707240232014-09-30T09:06:12.088+01:002014-09-30T09:06:12.088+01:00If this keeps up there might be a need for a new K...If this keeps up there might be a need for a new Kellner Correction.<br /><br />'Lab 2010 + SNP 2011 + SNP 2015'<br /><br />By 2016 it could be even longer.<br /><br />;-)Scottish_Skiernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-8658775200685389372014-09-30T07:31:47.854+01:002014-09-30T07:31:47.854+01:00"If your contention is that Cameron should ha...<i>"If your contention is that Cameron should have remained completely silent, then that is somewhat inconsistent with Salmond's demand that Cameron participate in debate"</i><br /><br />But Cameron refusing to debate Salmond on the grounds that this was "a matter for Scots only" is somewhat (in fact utterly) inconsistent with him doing anything other than putting a sock in it. You can't have it both ways, I'm afraid.James Kellynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-79716125501336402372014-09-30T07:31:33.096+01:002014-09-30T07:31:33.096+01:00Another 16 point lead for the SNP in Yougov UK.
4...Another 16 point lead for the SNP in Yougov UK.<br /><br />44% SNP<br />28% LabScottish_Skiernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-83870504280039555022014-09-30T07:27:06.010+01:002014-09-30T07:27:06.010+01:00Roger, what errant nonsense. Cameron wasn't ru...Roger, what errant nonsense. Cameron wasn't running around behind your back, he was on record as supporting the union. As is perfectly legitimate given the question of the day was Scotland's secession from that union of which he is the prime minister. <br /><br />If your contention is that Cameron should have remained completely silent, then that is somewhat inconsistent with Salmond's demand that Cameron participate in debate, and indeed with the howls of delight that greeted every Cameron intervention by those who believed (with some justification) that they were counter-productive.<br /><br />In any event, the idea that somehow Cameron intervened in a way that meant Scotland did not enjoy a free and fair election would be laughable were it not such a serious charge.<br /><br />It is ironic that on the same thread on which some people have claimed yes voters completed the cycle of grief in 24 hours, many are still evidently stuck on denial.Flockersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-60608430096192482402014-09-30T00:13:07.469+01:002014-09-30T00:13:07.469+01:00Quite frankly I can't belive some of you are a...Quite frankly I can't belive some of you are actually referring to the referendum as an election. They are two completely different things. Look them up in a dictionary.Doughboynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-15137111764427796082014-09-29T23:38:07.091+01:002014-09-29T23:38:07.091+01:00Hey Flocks, thanks for the entertainment, by the w...Hey Flocks, thanks for the entertainment, by the way a free and fair referendum would have required no external interference and what did we get - the coward Cameron running around behind our backs briefing against Scottish independence with every politician, banker, businessman, broadcaster and newspaper proprietor he could.<br /><br />And you have the cheek to dig us up for questioning this so called democracy.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10418325652418041951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-64391210793389305712014-09-29T23:26:08.288+01:002014-09-29T23:26:08.288+01:00Yep you are right. It wasn't a vote for a nati...Yep you are right. It wasn't a vote for a nation...Did I miss something during the campaign. I didn't realise I was voting for my own job and mortgage. Christ now you tell me!November13https://www.blogger.com/profile/03249463580152897462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-73851148507858330152014-09-29T23:19:48.900+01:002014-09-29T23:19:48.900+01:00November 13 - why do people have to vote on behalf...November 13 - why do people have to vote on behalf of what other people might want? Because these other people generally have their own votes they can cast. Is some tenement tenant drinking tennants going to vote for the party that does the best for mortgage holders? erm no. They'll vote for what's best for them, so I'll vote for what's best for me. I suppose letting people have a vote each means elections are inherently selfish. Bloody democracy eh.SayNoToYesMennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-84033427783304736042014-09-29T22:12:17.718+01:002014-09-29T22:12:17.718+01:00The Arrogance Of No- Overheard in a restaurant on ...The Arrogance Of No- Overheard in a restaurant on Saturday night. Three mid twenties girls with posh Edinburgh accents.I am proud to be Scottish but I am also smart that's why I voted no. People don't realise how good we've got it.Just look at Ireland. So not only do they insult every yes voter as being stupid. They choose to ignore the poor and homeless and food banks. This I,m nae bad mentality so f**ck everyone else is why we didn't win. There is a lazy selfish pocket of people from the so called middle classes in Scotland. Losing the referendum has opened my eyes to the half baked Scots and selfish individuals I meet on a daily basis. It does make me despair but it also makes me very angry at them. I work with a lot of selfish people. Thatchers children I call them. I am happy to say I am not like any of them. They might think they have won a referendum but they have lost their spirit and social responsibility. I always say that everyone is one mistake away from losing their job or becoming homeless. There but for the grace of God etc.November13https://www.blogger.com/profile/03249463580152897462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-6876893937134269082014-09-29T21:43:52.845+01:002014-09-29T21:43:52.845+01:00"That and we are back in Iraq."
Back i...<i>"That and we are back in Iraq."</i><br /><br /><br />Back in the slaughterhouse for years and years to come. Back with tory/labour/libdem chickenhawks and warmongers all doing their pathetic Blair impersonations and poodling.<br /><br />It will not take so very long for the public to turn on them massively for yet more Iraq stupidity.<br /><br /><br /><br />The Rush to Violence <br /><br />Between 4 and 20 August the Saudi Arabian government beheaded 19 people. Saudi Arabia, which has funded and armed ISIS from inception (initially with CIA support), is now bombing alongside the USA in Iraq and Syria.<br /><br />Forget the war technology porn regularly being broadcast by western media, with those spectacular photos of missiles erupting from ships into the night sky. Those missiles and bombs eviscerate and maim innocents as well as combatants, children as well as terrorists. The West always first denies, then regrets, “collateral damage”. The propaganda can be laughable. During the invasion of Iraq I remember a news propaganda item about how a cruise missile can enter a specific window, being followed by the next item – the US had apologised to Syria for two missiles aimed at Iraq which had hit Syria by accident.<br /><br />If we can accidentally bomb the Chinese Embassy in Serbia, we can – and do – hit civilian homes near the proposed target. Being eviscerated by a piece of flying shrapnel is no less terrible than being beheaded by a jihadist. Let us not pretend that our violence is somehow nicer. Children will be dying under our bombs soon.<br /><br />Other than the two extraordinary crazed Nigerians, there have been no recent Islamic motivated terrorist attacks in the UK and even a slowdown in the propaganda of phoney attacks. This was a threat to the major financial interests of the security industry, in both its governmental and private branches.<br /><br />There can be no greater nonsense than the idea that the Caliphate poses a direct threat to the UK. This is even more crazy than the claim that Saddam Hussein posed a threat to the UK. But by seeking to join in the bombing campaign, and initiating a new round of fake “anti-terror” arrests in London, the British government is doing everything it possibly can do to try to provoke terrorist violence on British streets. The interests of the security state are therefore secured. I am longing for somebody to explain to me the precise mechanism by which our bombing Islamic countries helps prevent terrorist incidents in the UK. The way it can provoke such incidents seems to me too obvious to need stating. Indeed it says a great deal for the wisdom and tolerance of Britain’s Muslim communities that it has not provoked more. They could teach government a great deal about the good sense of not resorting to violence to gratify passions and earn short term acclaim.<br /><br />http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/<br /><br />Mick Porknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-25801880475036085662014-09-29T21:35:08.060+01:002014-09-29T21:35:08.060+01:00@Rolfe
High Road Blog @highroadblog 1h
@steven_...@Rolfe<br /><br />High Road Blog @highroadblog 1h<br /><br />@steven_syme @TrevorMStewart @UKLabour I did the same, now a member of SNP. Been Lab all my life but only SNP have any credibility now<br /><br /><br /><br />Tweets like these have been utterly commonplace since the collapse of the westminster twits VOW. <br /><br />Your experience as a Yes campaigner is not that unusual TBH. It took an ordinary scottish woman shopping with her husband and a worker at a supermarket to hammer the truth home to me a couple of days after the result. They were determined not downcast. Angry (with the disgraced BBC and biased media) not heartbroken. After that I knew we would all be back far sooner than the westminster bubble imbeciles had ever imagined. <br /><br /><br />The fact that there are still out of touch tory twits trying to pretend the VOW and the Smith Commission will save them is proof positive that they have no idea what they are talking about. It's far too late for a half-arsed talking shop now. It's either BIG MEANINGFUL POWERS right quick or the scottish public will not forgive and not forget. Mick Porknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-39321792538460725292014-09-29T21:28:28.083+01:002014-09-29T21:28:28.083+01:00I don't quite get what you mean flockers.
The...I don't quite get what you mean flockers.<br /><br />The gap was 10%. That means, as I said, just 1 in 20 would need to swap for Yes to win. Ergo, just a 5% swing needed. <br /><br />Are you saying this is incorrect?<br /><br />Your post came across as 1 in 10 (10%) needed, which is double reality. Sorry if I misunderstood. <br /><br />Yes did gain directly from No over the course of the campaign in huge numbers; think Yougov, TNS, MORI. They had massive leads for No in 12/13.<br /><br />Just wasn't quite enough.<br /><br />Will be interesting to see how Y/N polls develop over the next few years (or even months!). What will happen to our poll of polls?<br /><br />George Osborne seemed to be campaigning for an iScotland today already. That and we are back in Iraq. UKIP looking soon to have MPs, Labour starting to in-fight...Scottish_Skiernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-4173050241617904552014-09-29T21:06:24.179+01:002014-09-29T21:06:24.179+01:00It's a funny sort of time. I was working so h...It's a funny sort of time. I was working so hard for a Yes vote I couldn't really think straight for the last couple of days. I was in "what will be, will be" mode. On the evening of the poll, seeing the celebrations in the streets, I really thought we'd do it.<br /><br />I was lucky. I was a counting agent, and so busy doing box sampling I took in what was happening gradually. Then I had to comfort Generation Yes, who were in tears. Suddenly I realised I'd been here before, in 1992, and I could cope with it again.<br /><br />I could see a big black pit of despair right there, but I declined to go into it. In the morning the sun was still shining and the grass was still growing and Scotland was still astoundingly beautiful and we weren't Diego Garcia or Gaza or Tibet or Kurdistan.<br /><br />I peeled the Yes decals off my car, then took the stickers off as well and put back the SNP sticker I'd removed two years ago to make way. I'd already taken down the window posters. I wondered what was going to happen next.<br /><br />What happened next took me completely by surprise. This doesn't look like the glowing embers of an extinguished campaign. SNP membership almost tripling in less than a fortnight? A spontaneous rally at Holyrood with more people than showed up for the well-publicised one in Princes Street gardens in September 2012?<br /><br />I fished the stickers out of the bin and washed them. The plain white one is now on my window, and one of the blue ones on the rear windscreen of my car (beside the Wings one I never took off). If anyone asks, the answer is clear. To remind everyone that Yes is still here until Devo-super-duper-max with extra jam has been delivered. Or else.Rolfehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17849975010197698907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-4083938338873005782014-09-29T21:04:44.759+01:002014-09-29T21:04:44.759+01:00Scottish Skier. Thanks for your post. I'm not ...Scottish Skier. Thanks for your post. I'm not sure I understand it, or at least I think you've made some assumptions about my views that aren't correct.<br /><br />Taking your points in turn. The "just five points" meme doesn't really work. You can just as easily argue that yes needed to win c.22-23% more votes that they did in order to match the total number of no votes. Voters do not automatically go from one to the other, there are non-voters to win over or voters to be persuaded to sit on their hands. <br /><br />Clearly 55/45 is not as good as 60/40 or 70/30, and I agree that has some relevance to how quickly the question might come back. But equally it was not 49/51, or 49.9/50.1.<br /><br />I don't think the question will be back in a couple of years, unless Westminster fails to deliver extensive further powers as promised. It's very difficult to predict though. Clearly I hope we find a new constitutional settlement that works for Scotland as it does for other parts of the UK, but I don't pretend for one moment that a new settlement will necessarily kill the issue for a generation. It's a matter for the Scots when it comes back. During the campaign the polls were clear that people thought the result would be definitive for a decade to a generation. I tend to the view that when the emotion drains away, as inevitably it will, that sense of timing will reassert itself. Certainly Salmond seems to think so.<br /><br />We'll never know if there was a huge surge to yes at the end, or a more modest, gradual improvement, or a strong surge that then ebbed away. If you believe there was a huge surge to yes at the end, then you are implicitly accepting that the likes of YouGov and Ipsos Mori were calling it correctly three months out when they said there were 20pt no leads, and that Panelbase were wrong. That wasn't common currency on here at the time. If it was my third option above, a strong surge that ebbed away, we'll never truly know how much of that was attributable to the vow and how much to the jolt that Yes going ahead gave to the no campaign, and the redoubling of their efforts that followed.<br /><br />I think you know my view on Mick's predictive abilities, so I will restrict myself to saying I think you're being very generous. "That doctor who told you you're terminally ill and going to die. Well, it turns out you've got a bit of a sniffle. He called it quite well, but not quite right"Flockersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-70546162280255430672014-09-29T20:38:25.311+01:002014-09-29T20:38:25.311+01:00Just remember folks, a vote for Labour lets the To...Just remember folks, a vote for Labour lets the Tories in by the back door.<br /><br />SNP is your devo max ticket in 2015.Scottish_Skiernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-23538331449869338912014-09-29T20:35:53.945+01:002014-09-29T20:35:53.945+01:00"socialist worker underground revolution"...<i>"socialist worker underground revolution"</i><br /><br />Good lord! An out of touch tory twat. Who would have thunk it? <br /><br />Or perhaps it's one of those comical tory kippers in disguise?<br /><br /><br />Cllr.Brian Silvester @CllrBSilvester 8h<br /><br />'Tory MP said there could be a defection every month before yr end. 3 Eurosceptic MPs will join Ukip before election' http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/david-cameron/11127216/You-lied-to-us-and-now-were-coming-for-you-Cameron-tells-defectors.html …<br /><br /><br />Poor old incompetent fop Cameron. John Major must be laughing away right now.<br /><br /><br /><br />Heather Smart @gemini2359 Sep 28<br /><br />#murnaghan David Cameron's Tory Party looking like John Major's Govt ! Noooooo now you done it Edwina Currie & John Major come 2 mind !!!!!<br /><br />Mick Porknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-23090561083355507992014-09-29T20:31:59.416+01:002014-09-29T20:31:59.416+01:00You'd all be better off doing something useful...<i>You'd all be better off doing something useful now, the referendum's come and gone.</i><br /><br />I have been. Got at least one other definite Yes now. If only I'd know before. Anyway secured for next time and I'm working on another.Scottish_Skiernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-76259122921073360412014-09-29T20:30:34.507+01:002014-09-29T20:30:34.507+01:00"You'd all be better off doing something ...<i>"You'd all be better off doing something useful now, the referendum's come and gone."</i><br /><br />Like winning a majority of Scottish seats at next year's general election and forcing Devo Max? Fear ye not, we're all working on it.James Kellynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-54319569298006803532014-09-29T20:28:44.621+01:002014-09-29T20:28:44.621+01:00"Hence Yes went through the five stages of gr...<i>"Hence Yes went through the five stages of grief in around 24 hours before bouncing right back."</i><br /><br />Yes, I think that's right. I remember seeing a lot of people in absolute despair on the day after polling, and possibly the day after that, but it melted away astonishingly quickly. James Kellynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-22049008223196290472014-09-29T20:27:15.187+01:002014-09-29T20:27:15.187+01:00Ahh, there's no point flockers, these lot thin...Ahh, there's no point flockers, these lot think anyone who doesn't agree with their socialist worker underground revolution worldview is a rabid tory. Bit like an alabama redneck thinking that anyone who doesn't like a good lynching is a goddamn pinko.<br /><br />"If 1 in 20 had gone for Yes instead of No" - but they didn't. You'd all be better off doing something useful now, the referendum's come and gone.<br /><br /><br /><br />SayNoToYesMennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-55294964676994410402014-09-29T20:23:52.532+01:002014-09-29T20:23:52.532+01:00If Yes had started out with a consistent whopping ...If Yes had started out with a consistent whopping lead and this had slowly eroded in the 3 years ahead of the vote, with no finally taking it, those who support indy would very despondent.<br /><br />It was the other way around though. No lost the campaign but won the vote.<br /><br />Hence Yes went through the five stages of grief in around 24 hours before bouncing right back.Scottish_Skiernoreply@blogger.com