tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post4513660712164608890..comments2024-03-29T15:53:25.277+00:00Comments on SCOT goes POP!: Ranking the rank outsidersJames Kellyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01516007141763230886noreply@blogger.comBlogger64125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-72165711031772947702017-04-17T12:32:22.799+01:002017-04-17T12:32:22.799+01:00Yeah the Libertarians are pro-independence-outwith...Yeah the Libertarians are pro-independence-outwith-the-EU. I'm kindof inclined to rank them just above the Tories though: our first prefs are what will count for the main indy/union score, and after that there is a question of who'll be good for Edinburgh Council. Libertarians definitely won't be that: they'd happily let the Queen turn Holyrood into a car park in the name of freedom, and we've enough shite "development" going on already. Anyone know anything about the Independent candidate, Tina Woolnough? Can't find a manifesto from her (or SNP for that matter).Conrad Hughesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-33826912102627272532017-04-17T11:32:16.124+01:002017-04-17T11:32:16.124+01:00I'll be ranking Labour rock bottom in iverclyd...I'll be ranking Labour rock bottom in iverclyde. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-68189892991113300232017-04-12T21:06:38.988+01:002017-04-12T21:06:38.988+01:00The fascist Nat si hates the English. Admires Kni...The fascist Nat si hates the English. Admires Knickerless and Kim Jung Eck.<br />Detests the Scottish people that voted to remain in the Union. Would sell out Scotland to foreign powers. Probably feels inadequate due to having a wee willie.GWC2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-70456244773969459112017-04-12T12:15:26.131+01:002017-04-12T12:15:26.131+01:00The troll calls scottish people "jocks",...The troll calls scottish people "jocks", advocates arming Leave campaigners, claimed Jo Cox's husband was a fascist, uses racial and ethnic slurs, pretends to be Labour (badly) while espousing far-right racist hate-speech, praises Theresa May and the tories and displays a perverted poisonous obsession with Scotland's First Minister & her predecessorAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-60641645895228431502017-04-11T20:40:55.657+01:002017-04-11T20:40:55.657+01:00We Unionists are still ahead in the polls inspite ...We Unionists are still ahead in the polls inspite of yer Knickerless Crusade.<br />Bring oan ra referendum Nat si fash bhoy. Still going with the cox and may crap!GWC2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-13977753214663310642017-04-11T20:24:50.747+01:002017-04-11T20:24:50.747+01:00The troll calls scottish people "jocks",...The troll calls scottish people "jocks", advocates arming Leave campaigners, claimed Jo Cox's husband was a fascist, uses racial and ethnic slurs, pretends to be Labour (badly) while espousing far-right racist hate-speech, praises Theresa May and the tories and displays a perverted poisonous obsession with Scotland's First Minister & her predecessorAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-87562535261861775932017-04-11T19:48:31.273+01:002017-04-11T19:48:31.273+01:00You are one of the idiots that will makes the sens...You are one of the idiots that will makes the sensibles vote Naw tae yer proposed Nat si State. Thanks and do carry on regardless. GSTQ LOL.GWC2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-90304936795744331282017-04-11T16:38:55.062+01:002017-04-11T16:38:55.062+01:00I've belatedly deleted the highly abusive comm...I've belatedly deleted the highly abusive comment from Mr Anonymous. I politely asked you whether you were the same Anon as before - if you weren't, you could simply have explained that without using the most extreme swear-word. But if you were the same Anon, I haven't a clue what you're moaning about, because you clearly <i>were</i> talking about excluded candidates, not about surplus votes.<br /><br />By the way, that kind of extreme swearing will always be deleted as soon as I see it, so don't even bother doing it again.James Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01516007141763230886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-20520911765747397892017-04-11T14:38:59.408+01:002017-04-11T14:38:59.408+01:00I don't think that scenario is likely. In a w...I don't think that scenario is likely. In a ward where the Tories are fielding more than one candidate, the first Tory is already going to be elected before any votes of independence supporters get that far down the list.Rolfehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16206952819245786811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-74541374614055675852017-04-11T14:37:37.254+01:002017-04-11T14:37:37.254+01:00And yes, it's absolutely true that the SNP lea...And yes, it's absolutely true that the SNP leadership don't understand how the system works. If they did they'd have fielded far more candidates, and they'd be telling all their supporters to rank every candidate all the way down the ballot so as to put the Tory last.<br /><br />It's a shocking failure of leadership and some heads need to roll.Rolfehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16206952819245786811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-51512544817022468612017-04-11T14:35:44.295+01:002017-04-11T14:35:44.295+01:00The SNP has an exaggerated fear of fielding too ma...The SNP has an exaggerated fear of fielding too many candidates and so causing both to fail by spreading the first-preferences too thin. It's not nearly as likely an outcome as they think it is.<br /><br />But there's another problem. There is a lot of disquiet about the candidate vetting process. Well-qualified and experienced party activists were failed at the vetting stage for things like "lacking media skills". Recently I heard that of 2,000 applicants originally, the vetting process whittled that down to only 500 approved candidates. If that's true it's simply insane. There is no possible way that three-quarters of the people who applied to be candidates were unsuitable.<br /><br />It was so bad in places that wards were struggling to find eligible candidates who had passed the vetting - and that was in places with only one SNP candidate per ward! I think some people are just waiting for the election to be over before starting a bit of a fuss about this.Rolfehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16206952819245786811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-69056952133617360942017-04-11T14:28:56.265+01:002017-04-11T14:28:56.265+01:00That's interesting, I hadn't heard about t...That's interesting, I hadn't heard about that wrinkle. As you say, it's an edge-case scenario. Would that Scottish voters understood the system well enough to be able to figure that out!Rolfehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16206952819245786811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-85978705230655170402017-04-11T14:12:25.575+01:002017-04-11T14:12:25.575+01:00TOPPED the poll, sorry.TOPPED the poll, sorry.Rolfehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16206952819245786811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-3768985603703065292017-04-11T14:12:00.954+01:002017-04-11T14:12:00.954+01:00The village where I live used to be LibDem central...The village where I live used to be LibDem central. They tolled the poll in 2012 and actually stood two candidates (although only one was elected). In the by-election in 2013 I think the failed candidate from 2012 thought she was hot favourite for the seat even though the vacancy was caused by the resignation of the Tory in the ward. She didn't even get close, and the Tory won comfortably.<br /><br />Fast-forward to 2016 and the Holyrood election. I was actually sampling the ballot box from the village and I couldn't believe my tally sheet. The LibDems were nowhere. Gone. Melted into the Tories in one direction and the SNP in the other.<br /><br />If the LibDem collapse is as comprehensive as I think it is they'll be struggling to get anyone elected at all in the ward. And if they fail, that means we'll get two Tory councillors.<br /><br />SNP (and Green) supporters have an opportunity to give the LibDem a wee boost by ranking him above the Tory candidates. If could make all the difference. We could deprive the Tories of that seat, and in so doing we could even deprive them of enough councillors to take control of the council.<br /><br />But what are we doing? We're telling people just to vote SNP, end of. It's brain-dead.Rolfehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16206952819245786811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-27713891938723620032017-04-11T12:27:57.602+01:002017-04-11T12:27:57.602+01:00Also if you're unfortunate enough to have more...Also if you're unfortunate enough to have more than one Tory, then you might end up being the person who decides which one becomes a councillor and which doesn't.Richard Gadsdenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10545595590359552775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-19451286798764078872017-04-11T12:25:16.855+01:002017-04-11T12:25:16.855+01:00As far as I can tell, your anonymous has heard abo...As far as I can tell, your anonymous has heard about this and is getting confused.Richard Gadsdenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10545595590359552775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-3231413120458796102017-04-11T12:24:04.560+01:002017-04-11T12:24:04.560+01:00There is an obscure case where the Gregory STV sys...There is an obscure case where the Gregory STV system in Scotland is different from the Newland-Britton one in Ireland.<br /><br />Say you vote first preference for someone fairly unlikely to win (e.g. Green) and then second choice for a very popular candidate (e.g. SNP). And suppose that second choice of yours gets enough first preferences from other people that they win.<br /><br />Under the Irish system, when the Green is eliminated, the SNP candidate - <i>who has already won</i> is out of the count, so your vote transfers at full value to them, and then transfers on to the next candidate, ie your third choice, also at full value.<br /><br />Under the Scottish system, your vote transfers at full value to the SNP (who don't need it) and then transfers as part of the surplus to your third choice, ie at the same fractional value as votes that were SNP first-choices.<br /><br />This is because there is a trick under Irish rules to put a first choice on a no-hoper and then vote your normal preferences; if your real first choice gets elected on (other people's) first preferences, then you get full value on the rest of the ballot, instead of the reduced value of a surplus.<br /><br />The Scottish system eliminates this trick.<br /><br />This is a really obscure edge-case of the rules, and yes, you will occasionally hear from Ireland and Australia to vote for someone who can't win and then your normal preference - this is pointless under the Scottish system.<br /><br />[There are cases where an insincere preference is a good idea under WIG; there have to be, as the Gibbard-Satterthwaite theorem proves there are under all voting systems. But there isn't a consistent pattern that can be predicted in advance to manipulate the election result. The only useful one is the usual STV one of voting for the candidates of your party in reverse order of popularity, ie vote for the least popular first]Richard Gadsdenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10545595590359552775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-74456384450998187862017-04-11T12:19:20.799+01:002017-04-11T12:19:20.799+01:00The troll calls scottish people "jocks",...The troll calls scottish people "jocks", advocates arming Leave campaigners, claimed Jo Cox's husband was a fascist, uses racial and ethnic slurs, pretends to be Labour (badly) while espousing far-right racist hate-speech, praises Theresa May and the tories and displays a perverted poisonous obsession with Scotland's First Minister & her predecessorAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-43219237697965107832017-04-11T12:16:59.928+01:002017-04-11T12:16:59.928+01:00Graceless creature, spitting insults at our genero...Graceless creature, spitting insults at our generous host. Get back under your rock.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-90938515422096757002017-04-11T11:12:20.552+01:002017-04-11T11:12:20.552+01:00"Anonymous", no matter how often you spa..."Anonymous", no matter how often you spam that comment on these threads, your interpretation is still wrong. Utterly and completely. You need to recognise what people are trying to tell you and figure out your mistake.Rolfehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17849975010197698907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-67472439597071300372017-04-11T11:10:42.238+01:002017-04-11T11:10:42.238+01:00Charles, do read the next article and realise what...Charles, do read the next article and realise what's being said. If the final seat comes down to a choice between two unionists, one a Tory and one not, why would you pass up on your chance to vote down the Tory? That's what you'll be doing if you don't #ranktorieslastRolfehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17849975010197698907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-17748059399331054402017-04-11T11:08:18.133+01:002017-04-11T11:08:18.133+01:00Only first preference votes will be counted when t...Only first preference votes will be counted when the election is analysed in that way so what you do with your later preferences won't matter at that point.<br /><br />Just use them to vote the Tories bottom.Rolfehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17849975010197698907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-7886619861121717152017-04-11T11:04:16.197+01:002017-04-11T11:04:16.197+01:00If you want service delivery ignore all the above ...If you want service delivery ignore all the above Nat si figures and their crap. Vote Labour and oppose the two Tory parties in Scotland who are responsible for the cuts. The Greens are a bunch of middle class pretend lefties.GWC2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-73205527225655389682017-04-11T05:46:08.900+01:002017-04-11T05:46:08.900+01:00No. Although, of course, this classic illustrates ...No. Although, of course, this classic illustrates the nature of the troll's relationship with its Tory overlords: <br /><br />https://youtu.be/uiaAfd0_EdMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-80636699612084702792017-04-11T04:48:22.003+01:002017-04-11T04:48:22.003+01:00This is nonsense, here is a link to how it works: ...This is nonsense, here is a link to how it works: http://www.moray.gov.uk/moray_standard/page_68268.html<br /><br />Now lets say there are 3 candidates running for 1 seat.<br />Candidates A, B and C.<br /><br />The quota for this example will be total valid votes cast / (number of seats available +1) then add one to that result, as in the example I linked.<br /><br />Now lets say as in the total number of votes cast is 8000 the quota would be 8000/(1+1) = 4000, then add the 1 = 4001.<br /><br />Now if Candidate A & B get 3500 Votes each and candidate C gets 1000. No candidate is over the quota so the 1st round is finished with candidate C being eliminated.<br /><br />In the 2nd round the 2nd preference of Candidate C's voters is looked at lets say 200 were for A and 800 were for B.<br />These votes are 'Transfered' to each candidate depending on who was the 2nd preference.<br /><br />Candidate A gets 3500 1st pref from 1st round and 200 from 2nd round, B gets 3500 1st pref from 1st round and 800 from 2nd round.<br /><br />So after 2nd round A has 3700 and B has 4200, B wins.<br /><br />In fact this shows that there are only cons to listing all preferences and no pros.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com