tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post3508152742497807699..comments2024-03-29T07:48:22.768+00:00Comments on SCOT goes POP!: If you want to, I'll change the situation. Right people, right time, just the wrong location...James Kellyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01516007141763230886noreply@blogger.comBlogger113125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-91946625290957953472016-01-15T13:56:09.340+00:002016-01-15T13:56:09.340+00:00Latest polling shows tories on 16% on both ballots...Latest polling shows tories on 16% on both ballots, David (and that isn't even considering UKIP, who could get 2 or 3%). Roughly a fifth of the country are openly right wing. <br /><br />The others are hiding in Labour, the Lib Dems and, yes, even your own party - the SNP. How else would you account for strong SNP areas being also strongly NO in the referendum? <br /><br />Yes, the SNP might be in the ascendency - but Holyrood and local government in Scotland are elected using PR. This keeps the unionists (and the tories) in the game, even if the SNP does tower above the 2nd placed party. As for Westminster, well, 56 out of 650? You can't do much with that - especially with the tories in power with an absolute majority. Trident, benefit cuts, military action will continue to sail through against tokenistic opposition.<br /><br />Really, your position isn't all that great and over the next 5 years can only deteriorate. <br /><br />AldoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-41997778884135151822016-01-15T13:44:58.405+00:002016-01-15T13:44:58.405+00:00As it was a secret ballot, no one can know for sur...As it was a secret ballot, no one can know for sure. But are you suggesting we determine the franchise based on place of birth? I thought this wasn't supposed to be about blood and soil nationalism?<br /><br />AldoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-27137313401249184772016-01-15T07:00:45.432+00:002016-01-15T07:00:45.432+00:00Zombietron.
Get yer bowler hat flute and drum.Zombietron.<br /><br />Get yer bowler hat flute and drum.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-38546416304135224502016-01-15T06:59:18.427+00:002016-01-15T06:59:18.427+00:00Glasgow sectarianist.
Bowler hat, flute, zombietr...Glasgow sectarianist.<br /><br />Bowler hat, flute, zombietron.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-14597320290398466902016-01-14T23:01:36.517+00:002016-01-14T23:01:36.517+00:00Kenny - great post. It is funny that the main stai...Kenny - great post. It is funny that the main stain on the SNP's past is not the 'Nazi sympathising' smears on Hugh MacDairmid, who was identified as a well-known communist. It was actually the orange element in the post-war period. It is strange that never really gets identified. Probably because a lot of those orangemen fell squarely behind the Tories and a couple west-coast Labour barons when they realised the SNP were not anti-catholic bigots.<br /><br />jimnarlene, the funny thing is: its major Labour Party figures who have had a massive role in the SNP since its inception. Even today, you have Jim Sillars and Tommy Shephard.<br /><br />Even as far back as the 1950s, there are party documents that are almost word-for-word the same as the stuff being produced by the leaders of African liberation movements. SulkyScotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-62830263050511401382016-01-14T21:23:33.301+00:002016-01-14T21:23:33.301+00:00Labour have a long history of selling out, on the ...Labour have a long history of selling out, on the "working class struggle", ermine clad lords etal.jimnarlenehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04386665235191598525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-5037795219924911342016-01-14T21:17:38.342+00:002016-01-14T21:17:38.342+00:00As I stated earlier, read Dennis Healey's book...As I stated earlier, read Dennis Healey's book, it's all there, how Labour shafted its self.jimnarlenehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04386665235191598525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-35415620088587284902016-01-14T21:13:29.652+00:002016-01-14T21:13:29.652+00:00Rubbish kenny the Nat sis have no history of worki...Rubbish kenny the Nat sis have no history of working class struggle. Leaving aside the past the Nat sis at present are paying lip service to the Tories.Glasgow Working Classnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-77282352599172156932016-01-14T20:57:19.108+00:002016-01-14T20:57:19.108+00:00Bowler hat flute, zombietron.Bowler hat flute, zombietron.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-72031699782529158292016-01-14T20:53:34.676+00:002016-01-14T20:53:34.676+00:00Still got yer flute, bowler hat and zombie support...Still got yer flute, bowler hat and zombie supporters uniform? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-61727801723098979632016-01-14T20:37:33.901+00:002016-01-14T20:37:33.901+00:00Ever heard of RB Cunningham Grahame? He was the f...Ever heard of RB Cunningham Grahame? He was the first socialist MP in Britain, co-founded the Labour Party then almost immediately left to form the National Party of Scotland because he couldn't see a viable path to socialism within the British state. See also Jimmy Reid, Jim Sillars et al. It's certainly true that the SNP historically has had a right wing and one or two of the "free, protestant Scotland" comments from years gone by are a nasty stain on the party's record, but the "Tartan Tories" thing is an absolute myth. The SNP was producing clearly left wing/social democratic manifestos from the early '70s onward.<br /><br />It's a real tragedy that the history of Scotland's largest party is so unknown. The fact that it is so is a dreadful indictment on Scottish historians. But then, until very recently you probably didn't get the best jobs or the good publishing deals if people knew you were "one of them." It's only too obvious how the British media and British elites want to malign the SNP in any way they can.Kennynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-51561805328081331052016-01-14T19:57:58.325+00:002016-01-14T19:57:58.325+00:00Sulky, Keir Hardie was radical and was Labour. I c...Sulky, Keir Hardie was radical and was Labour. I cannot think of any Nat si that was radical or did anything for the Scottish Working Class. Looks apparent that some Nat sis have sidelines! like the other parties.Glasgow Working Classnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-23559517077988221162016-01-14T19:49:13.322+00:002016-01-14T19:49:13.322+00:00Radical, you mean Tam Sheridan!Radical, you mean Tam Sheridan!Glasgow Working Classnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-34319319592798990742016-01-14T19:18:18.677+00:002016-01-14T19:18:18.677+00:00He should join the Islamic State because Labour vo...He should join the Islamic State because Labour voted down Scottish Assembly despite Scots voting for it or because you have no clue about Scotland's radical past?SulkyScotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-46140290197944508752016-01-14T18:54:26.766+00:002016-01-14T18:54:26.766+00:00You should join IS and make up your own history on...You should join IS and make up your own history on the hoof.Glasgow Working Classnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-90891099074088352322016-01-14T17:51:37.148+00:002016-01-14T17:51:37.148+00:00The Referendum was probably decided by the 400,000...The Referendum was probably decided by the 400,000 English folk who are resident in Scotland - irrespective of their political leanings.<br />People born in Scotland voted, by majority, for Independence.David Francishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07831337726172134852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-42569472037280338432016-01-14T17:26:30.868+00:002016-01-14T17:26:30.868+00:00Voting down Labour, As did 30+ Labour MPs, a fag e...Voting down Labour, As did 30+ Labour MPs, a fag end Labour government, that shat on the people of Scotland and got thrown out by the English electorate.jimnarlenehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04386665235191598525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-63682507457548795642016-01-14T16:27:26.082+00:002016-01-14T16:27:26.082+00:00Only a couple of months to go,to test out your the...Only a couple of months to go,to test out your theories.<br /><br />Personally, I think the "right" vote in Scotland will continue to tumble and that the "left" vote in Scotland will continue to climb.<br /><br />Scotland is walking away from right-wing politics and nothing is going to save the Tories.<br /><br />Just to remind you.....the SNP have very recently won/held 24 out of 27 council areas in by-elections.<br /><br />The Tories, I think, retained/won one <br /><br />The SNP are now supported in virtually every area of Scotland, no matter the demographics or wealth-spread.<br /><br />The Tories are supported in virtually none.David Francishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07831337726172134852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-18552428983343020592016-01-14T16:22:33.325+00:002016-01-14T16:22:33.325+00:00I'm not going to lie. I could use some links ...I'm not going to lie. I could use some links for SEO purposes. On the bright side, you'll be helping save countless souls from months if not years of torment and poverty. Thanks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-58333297186480927902016-01-14T15:59:04.376+00:002016-01-14T15:59:04.376+00:00Stop taking the drugs Fool!Stop taking the drugs Fool!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06712693854913429452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-16737747861435548602016-01-14T14:07:23.473+00:002016-01-14T14:07:23.473+00:00I got that leaflet in haghill tooI got that leaflet in haghill tooAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-13314797376736729022016-01-14T12:48:56.192+00:002016-01-14T12:48:56.192+00:00What part did the Nat sis ever play in the class s...What part did the Nat sis ever play in the class struggle for working conditions and forming the NHS. My recollection of the Nat sis pre Thatcher was them attacking Labour and the unions then voting to bring down Labour. Bloody Tartan Tories.Glasgow Working Classnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-30954596582874291622016-01-14T11:23:01.933+00:002016-01-14T11:23:01.933+00:00Tell me David, why is it that the healthy, fit, su...Tell me David, why is it that the healthy, fit, successful people living in nice areas are more likely to vote conservative? Do they vote conservative because they are successful or are they successful because of the attitudes that make them want to vote conservative (self reliance, thrift etc?).<br /><br />In any case, Scotland voted to remain in a union dominated by a right wing conservative party and a centrist labour party. We also more often than not agree with the English when surveyed on issues, rather than politics. <br /><br />It seems the right in Scotland is far larger than simply tory voters + UKIP voters. It seems you even have some in your own party - unless you think all those rural SNP voters are actually big fans of socialism.<br /><br />AldoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-13249615261446199222016-01-14T11:01:15.624+00:002016-01-14T11:01:15.624+00:00Hitler and Stalin were both incredibly authoritari...Hitler and Stalin were both incredibly authoritarian and statist. Hitler commandeered German industry and forced people into slave labour. And, yes - he even called himself a 'socialist' (National Socialist).<br /><br />This is anathema to right wing libertarians who cherish economic and personal freedom above all else. From their point of view, socialism and fascism are much the same thing - some jumped up little b telling you how you should live your life. <br /><br />AldoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-36143388573013859172016-01-14T10:53:14.560+00:002016-01-14T10:53:14.560+00:00The opinions of Conservatives are worth bothering ...The opinions of Conservatives are worth bothering about. They formed a decisive bloc in the Scottish independence referendum. Had the tories voted yes - or even had their support fragmented along yes/no lines similar to other parties - the yes vote would have carried the day. <br /><br />So, yes, a 15% bloc does require consideration. In any organisation badly split and with myriad subgroups and interests, 15% can hold quite a lot of sway.<br /><br />And we did.<br /><br />AldoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com