tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post3483195340936998019..comments2024-03-29T14:36:16.681+00:00Comments on SCOT goes POP!: Could the Guardian please stop their hysterical reinterpretations of statements made in plain English by the SNP?James Kellyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01516007141763230886noreply@blogger.comBlogger52125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-64759191342098209532015-05-12T21:55:42.333+01:002015-05-12T21:55:42.333+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.Gaavsterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10282335400892164346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-82980950882643316892015-05-12T21:45:41.055+01:002015-05-12T21:45:41.055+01:00Here it is Muttley,for those who may have missed i...Here it is Muttley,for those who may have missed it first time around<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-moGtQFvsVUGaavsterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10282335400892164346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-13356941135660528982015-05-12T18:44:25.515+01:002015-05-12T18:44:25.515+01:00Craig : There's a huge YouGov poll underway as...Craig : There's a huge YouGov poll underway asking for Holyrood voting intentions and views on independence, but I'm not sure whether it's intended for publication.James Kellynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-57010536048975892432015-05-12T15:34:35.820+01:002015-05-12T15:34:35.820+01:00No one's advocating ignoring the entire media....No one's advocating ignoring the entire media. The election result suggests most Scots no longer swallow the BritNat propaganda anyway, but some of their so-called "journalists" act more like political agitators and rabble rousers. <br />Several of them cross the line into abusive, demonising attacks and the SNP don't have to put up with it.<br />In 1993 Quebecois leader Jacques Parizeau was compared to Hitler and sued for defamation. The courts ordered his accuser to pay C$200,000. Parizeau's out of court settlement was donated to charity. No one compares Parizeau to Hitler any more. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08933855705268790197noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-87978662296063393862015-05-12T13:44:05.085+01:002015-05-12T13:44:05.085+01:00You mean this one?
http://jonathan.rawle.org/2007...You mean this one?<br /><br />http://jonathan.rawle.org/2007/05/04/ballot-combined-with-intelligence-test/ <br /><br />Not exactly a brain teaser.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06032019496439141404noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-20859081362368492622015-05-12T13:20:20.243+01:002015-05-12T13:20:20.243+01:00Hi Craig,
I don't think it quite works like t...Hi Craig,<br /><br />I don't think it quite works like that. The strength the SNP has gathered is because they have been eminently reasonable with a completely unreasonable establishment (e.g. continuing to offer to support Labour in the run up to the election despite Labour's response). They need to continue the same approach with the Conservative Government, which means that being willing to pursue more powers need not mean being "shunted into the more powers cul-de-sac" but means continuing to be reasonable and ask for the necessary powers, which necessarily ultimately requires independence. They would be foolish to try and set up a confrontation. That confrontation will come from peoples experience of the Westminster Govt (and hence your predicted 5% rise in support for Indy) but the Scot Govt needs to continue to be the bastion of reasonableness for that to lead to a good IndyRef2 result.Justin Kenrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05371269693334856586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-45702786064310935842015-05-12T13:15:26.672+01:002015-05-12T13:15:26.672+01:00You Gov poll ongoing, huge number of Q's but a...You Gov poll ongoing, huge number of Q's but asked how you voted GE15, did you regret, Holyrood VI, another indyref in 10years, how would you vote in indyref2<br /><br />will be interesting to see any movement on Yes / No after the GEchris knowlesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-55369895459960155412015-05-12T12:37:38.630+01:002015-05-12T12:37:38.630+01:00The main reason for the rejected ballots in 2007 w...The main reason for the rejected ballots in 2007 was the wording on the constituency paper that was ambiguous. It said, 'you have two votes..... 'many stopped reading after that and then placed two crosses on the ballot paper not realising it was one vote per ballot paper for the Scottish Parliament. The person in charge of this at the time? Douglas Alexander. Marcianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-13680663559692876512015-05-12T11:13:33.133+01:002015-05-12T11:13:33.133+01:00" the whole SNP influence on Labour schtick w...<i>" the whole SNP influence on Labour schtick was a waste of time."</i><br /><br />*Looks at the staggering unprecedented historic westminster result and popularity of the SNP<br /><br />*Laughs :-DMick Porknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-26738719051862087542015-05-12T11:06:00.803+01:002015-05-12T11:06:00.803+01:00Nicola has told members the same thing even during...Nicola has told members the same thing even during the first indyref.<br /><br />We can reach past and over the top of the hostile media with social media. It also happens to be true. That doesn't mean we can ignore the media since it still affords Nicola and other SNP figures the best chance to talk directly to voters regularly, but it does mean we use all the tools available to us to reach out to all scots.<br /><br />Just because the media is biased and hostile doesn't mean we can't still use it extremely effectively. <br /><br />There's a reason Nicola won the debates.<br /><br />It also goes without saying that the best way to marginalise the unionist BBC is to stop watching and recording live TV and stop paying their TV tax.<br /><br />Not everyone can, but despite it's grandiose trappings of being a State broadcaster the truth is the BBC is now in a cut-throat market where TV Networks and channels can be delivered directly to your home or your hand for a small price on a monthly subscription basis. Until the BBC wakes up to that it's going to go the way of the papers and face lower viewer figures, every lower levels of trust and ever lower levels of influence.<br /><br />Those who deny the truth of that or the media strategy employed should perhaps look at our westminster election results again.Mick Porknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-13796704397437688132015-05-12T10:34:05.134+01:002015-05-12T10:34:05.134+01:00James - I'm talking about disengaging with jou...James - I'm talking about disengaging with journalists who write things that make it hard not to suspect a deliberate intent to mislead.<br />We seem to differ only in the idea that there is nothing the SNP can do about it.<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08933855705268790197noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-54518038761473296512015-05-12T10:12:21.758+01:002015-05-12T10:12:21.758+01:00sorry mid-term unpopularity obviouslysorry mid-term unpopularity obviouslycraig murrayhttp://www.craigmurray.org.uknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-5189361153347688552015-05-12T10:09:49.467+01:002015-05-12T10:09:49.467+01:00James,
As you know, I maintained all along includ...James,<br /><br />As you know, I maintained all along including here in your comments that Cameron would get back and that the whole SNP influence on Labour schtick was a waste of time. I also maintained that another Tory government would lead to an increased demand for independence.<br />I think I am right - an awful lot of No voters believed they would have a Labour government - and that we will now see a step change in support for independence of maybe 5-6%. When is the next poll that will ask the question?<br />I know you don't agree, but I think we should avoid being shunted into the more powers cul-de-sac and go for another referendum about 2018, which all psephology indicates will be the height of mid-term popularity for the Tory government. As London Labour will have a new still more right wing leadership, and failure Murphy may still be with us, the chances will never get better.craig murrayhttp://www.craigmurray.org.uknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-69362042605253451652015-05-12T10:05:46.397+01:002015-05-12T10:05:46.397+01:00It's not a question of being "too thick&q...It's not a question of being "too thick", it's based on the negative experience (massive numbers of spoilt papers) of 2007, when you had Scottish Parliament (AMS) and Scottish council (STV) elections on the same day.<br /><br />English council elections still use FPTP so those problems don't arise.Jamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-16462829086018602882015-05-12T08:36:08.379+01:002015-05-12T08:36:08.379+01:00OT, and I know you covered this briefly earlier, b...OT, and I know you covered this briefly earlier, but Adam Ramsay asks (and a lot of us are still asking!) of the UK elections: <br /><br />"What percentage of the wrongness of the polls can be explained by a failure to accurately predict turnout?<br /><br />"I saw turnout projections of around 70%. Turnout in this election was in fact only 65.8% in England - only 0.3% up on last time. This was masked somewhat by a growth of 8% in Scotland and 1% in Wales, taking it to 66.1% in the UK as a whole.<br /><br />"It seems feasible to me that Tory types, as well as generally being more likely to turn out, would have been more scared into voting this time, whilst Labour types had less of a reason to show up.<br /><br />"I've heard various explanations for the result/polling difference, but differential turnout projections seem to me to likely explain some of it. Or, to put it another way, the utter failure of Labour to enthuse its base."Justin Kenrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05371269693334856586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-41281337921017616672015-05-12T01:37:05.980+01:002015-05-12T01:37:05.980+01:00Well, like a gullible old fool I took her at her w...Well, like a gullible old fool I took her at her word.<br />She didn't mean dispensing with the media entirely and of course I didn't take her to mean that either.<br />I'd still like to see them to cut a few of the more rabid journos out of the loop. <br />I don't see any reason why they can't.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08933855705268790197noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-81162021584195216102015-05-11T23:51:27.933+01:002015-05-11T23:51:27.933+01:00That's a politician's answer. If she real...That's a politician's answer. If she really meant the mainstream media were dispensable, she wouldn't have appeared on every TV programme you can think of over the last few days.James Kellynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-66296007343697481842015-05-11T23:49:14.202+01:002015-05-11T23:49:14.202+01:00I asked Nicola Sturgeon about this at my local SNP...I asked Nicola Sturgeon about this at my local SNP branch meeting.<br />She said the SNP can bypass the mainstream media by using its army of new members to talk directly to voters. If that's true then they can afford to tell the mainstram media to take a hike. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08933855705268790197noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-36740433781959676392015-05-11T22:53:36.176+01:002015-05-11T22:53:36.176+01:00The SNP can't afford to tell the mainstream me...The SNP can't afford to tell the mainstream media to take a hike. It's hard enough to reach out to certain sections of the population as it is.James Kellynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-85895968913726681682015-05-11T22:42:02.541+01:002015-05-11T22:42:02.541+01:00It makes you wonder what would have happened if th...It makes you wonder what would have happened if the Council Elections had been held on the same day as the Holyrood Elections. But hey we were told by the Brit Nats Press and Media that we were too thick to have two elections on the same day. Last week in England they judged that the English could easily cope with a whole series of local elections as well as the GE. Oh well! Iain Morenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-71443233916376319612015-05-11T22:38:06.666+01:002015-05-11T22:38:06.666+01:00I have a lot of sympathy for Neil hay because he w...I have a lot of sympathy for Neil hay because he was tried convicted and sentenced and then hung drawn and quartered by the rabid Brit Nat Press and Media. It is just one instance of other dirty tricks they ran in the GE. It of course began with Frenchgate affair. I lost track of the various SNP candidates they attempted to smear.Iain Morenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-21212743053357406882015-05-11T22:32:33.649+01:002015-05-11T22:32:33.649+01:00Are you sure he didn't mean "it's abo...Are you sure he didn't mean "it's above my pay grade to decide who the SoS should be"?James Kellynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-55782466549835354112015-05-11T22:24:26.289+01:002015-05-11T22:24:26.289+01:00I cannot understand how anyone called a journalist...I cannot understand how anyone called a journalist can refer to the Labour party as left wing in any way whatsoever.cynicalHighlanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06034325908473006163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-78058779922288810652015-05-11T22:11:45.176+01:002015-05-11T22:11:45.176+01:00I have never understood why the SNP keep offering ...I have never understood why the SNP keep offering up their teeth for a kicking by the hostile "Scottish" media. <br />During the general election the BBC Scotland sock puppets tried to pull off the same dirty tricks they used in the referendum.<br />There was a massive propaganda campaign aimed at selling Murphy as a champion of the poor.<br />Hardly a day passed without a photograph of his smirking face, even in The National.<br />Meanwhile the SNP got a despicable attempt to smear Nicola Sturgeon, the tired old wheeze of blaming the SNP for the antics of a small band of highly vocal activists, and the usual burying of anything that might remotely help the SNP's cause.<br />It's time to tell BBC Scotland, the Daily Record, the Scotsman, etc, to take a hike. Let them interview each other!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08933855705268790197noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-82696285309535300382015-05-11T21:32:29.016+01:002015-05-11T21:32:29.016+01:00FWIW, the SNP won the three council by-elections i...FWIW, the SNP won the three council by-elections in Scotland last Thursday.<br /><br />Two defences - Nairn and Perth city centre.<br /><br />One gain from Labour - Dunfermline South (Cara Hilton's old seat)<br /><br />http://ukgeneralelection2020.blogspot.co.uk/2015/05/results-from-council-by-elections-held.html<br /><br />Dunfermline result:<br /><br />Sinclair (SNP) 5899<br />Verecchia (Lab) 3185<br />Ross (Con) 1324<br />Calder (Lib) 1041<br /><br />http://www.fifedirect.org.uk/topics/index.cfm?fuseaction=page.display&p2sid=27C83962-BEC2-EBEC-E40E3D8E8F623EB1&themeid=2B892409-722D-4F61-B1CC-7DE81CC06A90<br /><br />Nairn result:<br /><br />Fuller (SNP) 3135<br />Cunningham (Lib) 2406<br />McIvor (Ind) 1440<br />MacGregor (Ind?) 893<br />Johnson (Lab) 455<br /><br />http://www.highland.gov.uk/news/article/8588/nairn_by-election_result<br /><br />Perth result:<br /><br />Parrott (SNP) 3589<br />Ahern (Con) 1679<br />Redford (Lab) 939<br />Brown (Lib) 701<br />Thomson (Ind) 119<br /><br />http://www.pkc.gov.uk/article/4150/By-Election-Results<br /><br />Obviously the turnouts were a little higher than normal!Jamesnoreply@blogger.com