tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post2618124678773296299..comments2024-03-28T16:15:03.127+00:00Comments on SCOT goes POP!: The SNP mustn't allow itself to become hobbled for decades by the legend of a "defeat" that never actually happenedJames Kellyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01516007141763230886noreply@blogger.comBlogger41125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-4649682580645926952017-06-17T13:21:52.150+01:002017-06-17T13:21:52.150+01:00I hope you enjoy being the plaything of the DUP. Y...I hope you enjoy being the plaything of the DUP. Your rabid howlings are downright liberal compared with those of your overlords' new masters.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-3875780911406436742017-06-17T13:20:27.121+01:002017-06-17T13:20:27.121+01:00I hope you enjoy being the plaything of the DUP. Y...I hope you enjoy being the plaything of the DUP. Your rabid howlings are downright liberal compared with those of your overlords' new masters.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-24429994245157555582017-06-17T13:19:37.950+01:002017-06-17T13:19:37.950+01:00I hope you enjoy being the plaything of the DUP. Y...I hope you enjoy being the plaything of the DUP. Your rabid howlings are downright liberal compared with those of your overlords' new masters.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-34792247630741881062017-06-14T14:46:48.853+01:002017-06-14T14:46:48.853+01:00I'll say it again, the only swing in scotland ...I'll say it again, the only swing in scotland was 15% from the snp to tories. The labour and lib dem votes were practically static. The SNP have to understand why between a third and a quarter of their 2015 vote has given up on them. WeSaidNoToYesMen :-)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-3819999491000493292017-06-14T14:14:06.031+01:002017-06-14T14:14:06.031+01:00The media are upping there game again , according ...The media are upping there game again , according to them we are a lost cause , "all these seats lost ", "independence is dead in the water " " sending back a much diminished group " and the most recent on Good Morning Scotland this morning , Angus Robertson was "taken out " ,at the election says Nick Eardley not , " lost his seat " , how on earth do they get away with this hatred !, and it is every minute of every day , what a great big threat we are to their beloved union ! Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10912287335319068774noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-6380189198848842572017-06-14T13:10:02.619+01:002017-06-14T13:10:02.619+01:00This is a good point, you know.
People like to dr...This is a good point, you know.<br /><br />People like to draw false equivalencies. Voting SNP means you support a referendum. Voting Conservative means you support Brexit. It is not necessarily so.<br /><br />Parties have manifestos on a range of issues. We know that 84% of the population are against fox hunting, yet the Conservatives got more than 16% of the vote. There is an organisation called 'Labour for Yes'.<br /><br />Or if you want to get really weird, there is a small number of UKIP voters who also voted Remain. I have to admit I struggle with that one a bit.<br /><br />You choose the party that is closest to your ideals, but you accept that there's always going to be some policies that don't match your personal view.<br />And if you can't accept compromise, you pull a George Galloway and go off to sulk and start a party of your own.<br /><br />Touting a vote for your party as explicit support for all your policies is just dumbing down the argument. People are complicated.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-56720120287682695922017-06-14T13:00:28.748+01:002017-06-14T13:00:28.748+01:00I think the only party that doesn't regularly ...I think the only party that doesn't regularly accuse the BBC of bias against it is the Liberals.<br /><br />And they probably think it, they're just too polite to complain.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06032019496439141404noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-51457270595457609382017-06-14T11:17:40.197+01:002017-06-14T11:17:40.197+01:00There were several seats the SNP lost because of t...There were several seats the SNP lost because of tactical voting by lib dems and it would be wrong to assume that a vote for Labour was an anti-independence vote. Support for Indy is still Where it was - around 47%. An SNP vote is not the same thing as an Indy vote in a referendum. We got 56 MPs in 2015 when Indy vote was 45%. SNP still has a mandate for a referendum. We keep going! Jeannienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-82630745747842520752017-06-14T11:04:32.353+01:002017-06-14T11:04:32.353+01:00The SNP's problem has always been its desperat...The SNP's problem has always been its desperation to be accepted as "respectable". It's something that goes all the way back to the days of the old National Party of Scotland, and its craving for the Earl of This and the Duke of That to act as sponsors and patrons. It needs to accept that it's not going to win every vote in Scotland and announce unashamedly it's intention to proceed on 50% plus one, and make no apologies for it. Like they do in every other country.Bellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06190656631060298475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-54929590334066091232017-06-14T02:24:07.739+01:002017-06-14T02:24:07.739+01:00Do we really have to keep countering the same dumb...Do we really have to keep countering the same dumb arguments over and over again? Scots voted to stay in the UK and in the EU. We can't do both. <br /><br />This is a real issue - not an "excuse" - which must be resolved fairly ie with another vote.<br />Noel Darlownoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-39137706059441327132017-06-14T00:20:25.864+01:002017-06-14T00:20:25.864+01:00Oh, and by the way, Kellner no longer works for Yo...Oh, and by the way, Kellner no longer works for YouGov, so he can claim absolutely no credit whatever for the hung parliament forecast. His former colleagues were scathing about him after he left, with one publicly saying they had to clear up the mess he left behind. His predictions as an independent pundit since leaving YouGov have been as dreadful as anyone else's - he didn't predict Brexit, and he didn't predict a hung parliament.James Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01516007141763230886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-9235946663627838702017-06-14T00:14:54.815+01:002017-06-14T00:14:54.815+01:00If you'd been following my Twitter feed, you w...If you'd been following my Twitter feed, you would already know my reaction to Peter Kellner's comment, because I gave it instantaneously. Yes, Kellner has an agenda on Scotland. No, that is not something we've only just discovered. Yes, that agenda should preclude him from being used as an "impartial expert" by the BBC when Scotland is being discussed. Yes, the fact that his remark went unchallenged raises obvious question marks over the BBC's commitment to repairing the massive damage to its reputation suffered in 2014. Yes, it was an absolutely outrageous episode, and it damages Kellner's reputation even further.<br /><br />Not what you wanted to hear, clearly, but there it is.James Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01516007141763230886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-8320143712689790952017-06-14T00:06:26.972+01:002017-06-14T00:06:26.972+01:00I don't see how anyone can come to any conclus...I don't see how anyone can come to any conclusion as to the extent of the Indy vote in what is a complex political situation right now. If i had been in a marginal I'd have voted for the anti-Brexit candidate whoever that was. It wasn't a referendum it was an election. <br /><br />Personally I think too much of Scotland is too dependent by nature at the moment for independence. Dependent or BritNats at any cost. If I were the SNP I'd play the long game and push for more powers and wean us off the rest of the UK bit by bit. Astropoethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06334513326171971542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-23282493032152070622017-06-13T23:45:55.548+01:002017-06-13T23:45:55.548+01:00Tory bhoy on Newsnight saying the Tories should c...Tory bhoy on Newsnight saying the Tories should change their name to the Workers Party. Well hit me with yer shovel Mick. Trotsky a Tory!GWC2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-30717162018765779442017-06-13T23:39:42.538+01:002017-06-13T23:39:42.538+01:00Whit a joke ye are. The Catholic church are world ...Whit a joke ye are. The Catholic church are world leaders in homophobic hatred followed by the evangelists and Islamists. Look in yer own cupboard bigot. Yer No Surrender jibe fools no one.GWC2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-64565026034753471192017-06-13T23:12:51.733+01:002017-06-13T23:12:51.733+01:00Thought I was being kind and moderate when you con...Thought I was being kind and moderate when you consider their anti English fanaticism and love of selling Scotland out to the Bundesbank.GWC2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-80289586046304420792017-06-13T23:10:44.606+01:002017-06-13T23:10:44.606+01:00I'd like to hear James' opinion on Peter K...I'd like to hear James' opinion on Peter Kellner's comments on election night. He said independence is "dead". Kellner worked at YouGov - the only mainstream pollster to predict a hung parliament. Is Kellner talking rubbish then? Please don't throw accusations of political bias - these guys have reputations to worry about if they call big events wrong.Aldohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03385445471036440872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-56725627892331113662017-06-13T22:37:56.288+01:002017-06-13T22:37:56.288+01:00Thats a bit harsh GWC. But I sense a certain anger...Thats a bit harsh GWC. But I sense a certain anger and volatility now that I didn't a week ago. Their goose is cooked. They know it. Sturgeon knows it. Expect a humiliating climbdown or a final, suicidal, dash for glory.Aldohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03385445471036440872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-72462066942072275562017-06-13T22:31:01.745+01:002017-06-13T22:31:01.745+01:00Aldo they are fanatics. The Scottish people, democ...Aldo they are fanatics. The Scottish people, democracy mean nothing to the nutters. In another life and culture they would be suicide bombers. Pure nut jobs mad as hatters. Most are products of premature ejaculation up the back of a dunny close.GWC2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-68860926506077492402017-06-13T22:30:59.245+01:002017-06-13T22:30:59.245+01:00Actually, it's more like 328-314 against, in t...Actually, it's more like 328-314 against, in the British parliament - the only body that has the power to decide this - and they will take into account Scottish public opinion - something your party ignores in favour of a small clique of its own.Aldohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03385445471036440872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-79923005328162053082017-06-13T22:26:17.171+01:002017-06-13T22:26:17.171+01:0069-59 in favour of a referendum is all that matter...69-59 in favour of a referendum is all that matters, actually. And 35-24 is rather helpful as well.James Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01516007141763230886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-3777643081011934692017-06-13T22:24:45.780+01:002017-06-13T22:24:45.780+01:00"If Sturgeon has a 'majority' it'...<i>"If Sturgeon has a 'majority' it's on 36.9% of the vote."</i><br /><br />The mandate for the second independence referendum was of course received at the Holyrood election last year. But it's probably worth pointing out that 37% is identical to the mandate Cameron received to hold the EU referendum. The only difference is that Sturgeon has an even bigger lead over the second placed party than Cameron did.James Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01516007141763230886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-13530801316873984612017-06-13T22:22:43.574+01:002017-06-13T22:22:43.574+01:0063-37 in favour of unionist parties.
That is ALL ...63-37 in favour of unionist parties.<br /><br />That is ALL that matters, re indyref2.Aldohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03385445471036440872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-63149198248020213522017-06-13T22:20:58.406+01:002017-06-13T22:20:58.406+01:00Keep on banging the indyref drum and you will alie...Keep on banging the indyref drum and you will alienate even more voters - and harden those who voted against you this time. If Sturgeon has a 'majority' it's on 36.9% of the vote. Add in the Greens and that's 37.1% of the vote. There is no justification for a second referendum, based on those figures.<br /><br />Your 'material change' of brexit is simply an excuse to hold a rerun. One wonders what the 'trigger' would have been had brexit not occurred. Austerity? Tories re-elected? Trident renewal? Something to do with the "vow"?<br /><br />We're looking at a soft brexit now anyway. Between that and the poor performance from the SNP last week - and the fact we now have a Tory-DUP government - I would say that's the end of that. The SNP can now get back to governing and fix the education system they have single handedly destroyed. Aldohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03385445471036440872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-21416653561859383402017-06-13T22:15:34.686+01:002017-06-13T22:15:34.686+01:00It's like Rocky! He lost the fight but was the...It's like Rocky! He lost the fight but was the winner. The Tories thought it would be a cake walk but got the crap kicked out of them. They called an election WHEN THEY WANTED and the SNP BEAT THEM 3 to 1!! Don't forget, the amp folks were all newbies with NO TIME to build up a record. No time to build up 5 years of favors. Plus, the Tories outspent again. This the SNP has to prepare for.BillfromBostonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09399762489266212680noreply@blogger.com