tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post2437863179511657877..comments2024-03-29T07:09:11.017+00:00Comments on SCOT goes POP!: Exit Poll predicts SNP have 'triple lock' mandate for independence referendum, and perhaps the balance of power in a hung parliamentJames Kellyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01516007141763230886noreply@blogger.comBlogger170125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-23661882896529911912017-06-09T18:25:23.104+01:002017-06-09T18:25:23.104+01:00Robert Peston @Peston 2 hours ago
Senior Tory M...Robert Peston @Peston 2 hours ago<br /><br />Senior Tory MP: "We all f***ing hate her. But there is nothing we can do. She has totally f***ed us".<br /><br /><br />Maybe Nigel Farage will save them? LOLKipper Theresa and her westminster bubble incompetentsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-67394935921392980232017-06-09T18:00:52.795+01:002017-06-09T18:00:52.795+01:00Calm down dear.
The opinion polls were wrong cup...Calm down dear. <br /><br />The opinion polls were wrong cupcake. They are now a laughing stock yet again. You do seem to have your head stuck firmly up your own arse and somehow haven't noticed. Your faith in their veracity throughout is touching but hilariously misplaced. That ain't a conspiracy it's just how it is. I used results to support my statements not polling since you still don't seem clear about the difference.<br /><br />Nor does anyone who knows a thing about politics dispute the ferocity and unrelenting nature of the campaign against Corbyn from the Blairites, westminster establishment and right-wing press. It was so blatant it quickly became a parody of itself. Again, no conspiracy required just the basic ability to understand what's in front of your face. Something, admittedly, you may well lack.<br /><br />Your insults are the low grade fallbacks of the usual tiresome Daily Mail simpletons and I would be a touch more impressed if you managed them without sounding like an out of touch twit.<br /><br />So try not to get so amusingly touchy when someone calls you out on your fallacious suppositions on the infallability of polling when it comes to reporting how much of a "joke" someone is. <br /><br />Nor does your trite and simplistic characterisation of James analysis of polling as "spin" speak to anything other than someone sadly well out of their depth and struggling to manufacture some spluttering outrage that you've been called out on your bullshit. <br /><br />Like this barely thought out brainfart. "Right now, the prospects of a Yes vote in a second referendum are waning" <br /><br />Right now you say? Reeeally? And why would that be? Is it a 'feeling' you just have or did Ruth Davidson impress you so much with her 'no surrender' rhetoric' you consider it an article of faith? Proof usually helps when trying to persuade people. Just a tip. <br /><br />This was a westminster election with westminster GE dynamics in full force. To interpret the tories coming a very distant second to the SNP as some kind of unanswerable refutation to the next Indyref's prospects would seem to be the flimsiest of pretenses if that is what you are deperately relying on. If Davidson actually won the GE in scotland she might have a valid point but she very much did not so we can dismiss that spin as the usual BritNat bollocks.<br /><br />You wisely don't dispute my points about SLAB being in power for an extended period or the SNPs possible prospects for being in power for such a period too. Maybe if you didn't waste so much time on dickheaded inanity and self-righteous pomposity you might produce something worth reading instead of bleating whiny shite.Kipper Theresa and her westminster bubble incompetentsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-26027062458284128162017-06-09T17:12:21.571+01:002017-06-09T17:12:21.571+01:00Divine providence for the UK in the form of a dog&...Divine providence for the UK in the form of a dog's dinner election? Brexit will have to be watered down. There will have to be greater consensus on a range of issues. Left wingers no longer need to be in a state of constant despair, as an alternative government is only a few seats away from being a viable option. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-66969035388550847702017-06-09T16:50:28.283+01:002017-06-09T16:50:28.283+01:00"Nope. You are confusing the westminster bubb..."Nope. You are confusing the westminster bubble, the pollsters and the far-right press for the country, as so many tories and Blairites kept doing."<br /><br />Appallingly silly response, but for sheer amusement let's dissect this. The point you're responding to is that opinion polls suggested Corbyn didn't have a hope in the election, but throughout the campaign everything shifted and he ended up with a positive result. Right now, the prospects of a Yes vote in a second referendum are waning, but just as with Corbyn, we don't know how the dynamic of a second referendum would go and there's therefore still a chance Yes wins. <br /><br />The first point of idiocy in your response is that you're so blinkered in your fury that you've decided to start arguing against a point saying Yes could still win the referendum in the first place (despite the fact you think Yes could still win the referendum). This is of course standard behaviour for loons on the internet: rather than reading the point properly you simply get angry and bash out rehearsed diatribes at anyone who isn't as blinkered as you are about the subject. Anyone who isn't a believer is the enemy so just rant and rave away at them regardless of whether you actually agree with the point they're making or not.<br /><br />The second piece of idiocy in this response is that you're arguing against a point that says opinion polls shouldn't be taken as gospel, by arguing that opinion polls shouldn't be taken as gospel. Even if we ignore the standard conspiratorial lunacy of the rest of your comment that's brilliant in its own right. Again, try reading something and understanding it first before throwing a hissy fit.<br /><br />Frank Veritasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-16512685420392232292017-06-09T15:52:28.979+01:002017-06-09T15:52:28.979+01:00Pontypridd Labour MP Owen Smith: 'I take my ha...Pontypridd Labour MP Owen Smith: 'I take my hat off to Jeremy Corbyn' for General Election result<br /><br />Asked if his leadership challenge had cost Labour an outright win, he said: "It's impossible to know"<br /><br />http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/local-news/defeated-labour-leadership-contender-owen-13160869<br /><br />Damn! and it was OUR JOB to protect Corbyn from the Blairites of mass destruction.<br /><br />Obviously. :D LOLBonfire of the Blairitesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-36346998171427790432017-06-09T15:47:33.567+01:002017-06-09T15:47:33.567+01:00"Your job was to stop the Tories in Scotland...."Your job was to stop the Tories in Scotland."<br /><br />Not Scottish Labour's job was it? Convenient. LMFAO<br /><br />"If you'd done what Labour did in England"<br /><br />The we'd have lost the election in scotland and lost a majority of MPs instead of WINNING the election in scotland achieving a majority of MPs you amusingly deluded Daily Mail dunce.<br /><br />Corbyn didn't win petal and since you seem to know as little about UK politics as scottish politics this is one of the BIGGEST reasons why.<br /><br />Ian MurrayVerified account @IanMurrayMP Mar 11<br /><br /><i>Often asked why I resigned from Shadow Cabinet. Ladies & Gentlemen I give u Jeremy Corbyn. He's destroying the party that soo many need.<br /><br /><br />"Can't we just jump to @RuthDavidsonMSP being First Minister?"<br /><br />- Ian Smart Scottish Labour Spokesperson, TV pundit and British Nationalist</i><br /><br />Yer actual 'scottish' Labour there. Strong and Stable support for the tories and who have done everything in their power to kill Corbyn's chances every opportunity they got.<br /><br />May is a lame duck PM living on borrowed time a fantasy world. Everyone knows it. So your amusing concern for her tea drinking habits, while touching, is as meaningless as the rest of your inane witless babble.Dugdale's Red Tory Blairitesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-44869144247336606112017-06-09T15:35:00.793+01:002017-06-09T15:35:00.793+01:00James Kelly @JamesKelly 8 hours ago
May plans ...James Kelly @JamesKelly 8 hours ago<br /><br /> May plans to carry on. Delight for the opposition parties - she's going to lead her party to ruin.Kipper Theresa and her westminster bubble incompetentsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-3288413328016746982017-06-09T15:32:14.272+01:002017-06-09T15:32:14.272+01:00The DUP weren't your problem. Your job was to ...The DUP weren't your problem. Your job was to stop the Tories in Scotland. That was what your own leader said. Or do you reckon Nicola Sturgeon is a liar now as well?<br /><br />You constantly whine on this blog about how the Red, Blue and Yellow Tories are the same party in Scotland, so don't come bleating about being outnumbered. <br /><br />You chose to set yourself against the Yoons, so it was your job to stop the Tories gaining seats. And you failed miserably. So now we have Theresa May as PM.<br /><br />If you'd done what Labour did in England, she's be out on her ear. Instead, she's having a cup of tea in No10.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-64798428082791116182017-06-09T15:22:44.961+01:002017-06-09T15:22:44.961+01:00Adam Ramsay @AdamRamsay Apr 19
Met a Labour staff...Adam Ramsay @AdamRamsay Apr 19<br /><br />Met a Labour staffer in London this evening. Said she hopes Scotland elects Tory MPs to keep the SNP out, coz Labour's stuffed w/o Scotland.<br /><br />She didn't know that I was either Scottish or a journalist. Just blurted it out like it's an obvious opinion for a Labour staffer to have.Bonfire of the Blairitesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-35963838569949576222017-06-09T15:19:03.555+01:002017-06-09T15:19:03.555+01:00James MacEachern @JamesMacEachern 7 hours ago
T...James MacEachern @JamesMacEachern 7 hours ago<br /><br />The SNP still has 29 seats more than it had during indyref. Its majority in Scotland is the equivalent of winning 386 seats across the UK.Dugdale's Red Tory Blairitesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-77902548473545623322017-06-09T15:13:55.278+01:002017-06-09T15:13:55.278+01:00You don't seem to have a fucking clue who the ...You don't seem to have a fucking clue who the DUP are or that Labour in scotland still came third behind the tories in scotland.<br /><br />Don't come on here and shriek witlessly because you haven't a clue about scottish politics when Labour self-evidently failed to win a majority and we did.<br /><br />Hardcore Unionist Labour voters voted tactically for the Tories in line with Scottish Labour’s all-consuming “stop the SNP, not the Tories” hate mantra. While it gained six seats, Scottish Labour’s vote and vote share barely changed from 2015.<br />Dugdale's Red Tory Blairitesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-73672737628279551402017-06-09T15:10:05.162+01:002017-06-09T15:10:05.162+01:00douglas, what's difficult to understand about ...douglas, what's difficult to understand about the difference between the majority of the seats and the majority of those that voted? 38% was the snp's share. 38. And that's with the greens standing aside. And no other reason for indy supporting voters to vote for any other party. Nicola said she wanted to see the polls at 60% before calling another referendum.... It's gone baby gone.wesaidnotoyesmennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-1961547470496195132017-06-09T15:05:46.934+01:002017-06-09T15:05:46.934+01:00Tough. Then you should have done a better job.
To...Tough. Then you should have done a better job.<br /><br />Tories lost seats to Labour in England, and they gained seats from the SNP in Scotland. That's a flat fact, no matter how much you shriek and whine about it.<br /><br />If you are so great you'd have held your MPs. You didn't, and now the Tories have enough for a coalition deal thanks to your failure.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-66023307526990774192017-06-09T15:02:37.850+01:002017-06-09T15:02:37.850+01:00David Halliday @DavidJFHalliday 3 hours ago
Ho...David Halliday @DavidJFHalliday 3 hours ago<br /><br /> How will Yes voters who came to believe a social democratic government in Britain was really achievable feel at getting a Tory/DUP one?Coalition of Catastrophenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-53068618593798174472017-06-09T14:58:38.427+01:002017-06-09T14:58:38.427+01:00Bill Cruickshank @BjCruickshank 15m
I think thi...Bill Cruickshank @BjCruickshank 15m<br /><br />I think this graphic sums today up! <br /><br />pic.twitter.com/ICNNYw3YcTBumblefuck tories for unitynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-31222180643927010192017-06-09T14:56:44.295+01:002017-06-09T14:56:44.295+01:00Labour in scotland were actively promoting voting ...Labour in scotland were actively promoting voting for the tories to stop the SNP, so if ye don't mind we'll take your utter bollocks with the seriousness it deserves. <br /><br />LOLDugdale's Red Tory Blairitesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-69374933995914278702017-06-09T14:53:07.234+01:002017-06-09T14:53:07.234+01:00If the SNP hadn't fallen down on the job, Ther...If the SNP hadn't fallen down on the job, Theresa May wouldn't have had enough MPs to cobble together a threadbare majority.<br /><br />Job 1 was to stop the Tories. Labour did their part in England, the SNP failed to do theirs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-10106074275409550972017-06-09T14:46:30.633+01:002017-06-09T14:46:30.633+01:002nd best result ever for the SNP in westminster ac...2nd best result ever for the SNP in westminster actually.<br /><br />Sadly that's one of those troublesome *facts* that isn't just some vapid and ironic spin lines like "strong and stable".<br /><br />Just like winning the scottish part of the GE with a majority of MPs, more than all the other parties combined. Again, sadly for the Yoons that's just the basic maths and the real numbers of the situation.<br /><br />"Before May called this election, for instance, the country seemed united in the idea Corbyn was a joke"<br /><br />Nope. You are confusing the westminster bubble, the pollsters and the far-right press for the country, as so many tories and Blairites kept doing. <br /><br />The biggest loss of power wasn't even the lame duck tories last night. It was the westminster bubble and westminster establishment. <br /><br /><i>We</i> already knew you can achieve wins and impressive results despite the best efforts of a hilariously biased media. Now it's finally beginning to dawn on some on the left in Labour that they can almost do the same. But it's always going to be a struggle and nobody should underestimate the task of doing so day in day out against a relentless drumbeat from the BritNat and right-wing media. We have done so in power and in a minority govt in scotland. So for all the Corby-mania right now, he has not done so and the tories are self-evidently a complete fucking shambles at governing. <br /><br />"What is clear, though, is that this might genuinely be the only chance for independence"<br /><br />Is it? Proclaiming any certainties after the complete meltdown of May's authority and the jawdropping spectacle of the DUP lining up with a desperate and deluded May to keep her in power, would seem a trifle rash.<br /><br />"The idea of sitting around for 10 years with the SNP staying in power long enough to call another referendum in the late 2020s looks like a fantasy at this point."<br /><br />The idea of the SNP being in power for these 10 years was as much a fantasy as *ANY* Indyref used to be.<br /><br />Not to mention the hegemony that SLAB used to enjoy in scotland lasted considerably longer than 10 years to take but one pertinent example.<br /><br />The next indyref referendum will indeed happen so we'll just have to sit back and watch the incredible chaos at westminster play out that will precede it.Kipper Theresa and her westminster bubble incompetentsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-86451238380447529062017-06-09T14:43:44.654+01:002017-06-09T14:43:44.654+01:00We need to let folk start to see what Brexit actua...We need to let folk start to see what Brexit actually means, plus more chaos in London. Until the person in the street finds prices rocketing, p45s along with the pay cheque, etc then they won't see there is a problem. <br /><br />We also need to sort out the offer for Indy. A Scottish Pound is an absolute no brainer, for example, and really not complicated (plus makes a huge profit giving us more foreign reserves than the Bank of England). Spell out where the ministries will be, how many staff they will need, etc. If you say there are 1000 new jobs coming to Inverness, for example, that is a tangible benefit as opposed to something nebulous.<br /><br />So I think give the Tories enough rope to hang themselves and just be patient. Plus lets be a bit more radical - the rich, the lairds, the Edinburgh chateratti will never support indy so don't pander to them (make them pay more!). So e.g. every kid gets a free school dinner, plus breakfast if they want one.Tim Rideoutnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-52143948967024079872017-06-09T14:22:16.301+01:002017-06-09T14:22:16.301+01:00Robert Andrews, as James has been up all night you...Robert Andrews, as James has been up all night you can let him catch up with a bit of sleep. Edith Snellgrove-Whitmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-90853127562764363482017-06-09T14:17:50.519+01:002017-06-09T14:17:50.519+01:00David Halliday @DavidJFHalliday 1 hour ago
May: ...David Halliday @DavidJFHalliday 1 hour ago<br /><br />May: "Give me the mandate I need!" <br />Britain: "No. In fact take *that*." <br />May: "Thank you. Now let's get to work." <br />BBC: "Brave. Impressive."Coalition of Catastrophenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-34683047824735452302017-06-09T14:14:47.261+01:002017-06-09T14:14:47.261+01:00For now, but expect a bizarre headline shortly abo...For now, but expect a bizarre headline shortly about how this was one of the greatest electoral victories for the SNP in human history and an analysis of why we're heading straight for independence with a 70% vote for Yes. <br /><br />That is, after all, the whole point in this site: to take opinion polls/election results and spin them in the most optimistic way imaginable so that diehard SNP supporters don't have to engage with the (sometimes disappointing) real world. It's his USP so I don't blame him for giving people what they want. <br /><br />Now in terms of what this actually means for independence, I'd say the cause isn't lost. There are some pretty glaring signs at present that a lot of people are losing faith in the SNP and don't want a second referendum, but nobody can stop the vote from happening and we'd be starting from a point that's far more favourable to independence than we were at in 2014. Before May called this election, for instance, the country seemed united in the idea Corbyn was a joke, but once the campaign started it shifted and there's no reason why that can't happen with a second indyref. <br /><br />What is clear, though, is that this might genuinely be the only chance for independence because we can't rely on the SNP to stay in their dominant position forever. The idea of sitting around for 10 years with the SNP staying in power long enough to call another referendum in the late 2020s looks like a fantasy at this point. It's hard for any party to stay in power for 10 years (as the SNP have done) far less 20 years. The referendum probably does have to happen now and I firmly believe we'll still get one post-Brexit deal.Frank Veritasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-33819370936882937472017-06-09T13:58:24.655+01:002017-06-09T13:58:24.655+01:00Strangely silent now James in your analysis Strangely silent now James in your analysis Robert Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14986278779997677065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-49380918523494646302017-06-09T13:58:12.388+01:002017-06-09T13:58:12.388+01:00Aberdonian,
Well, it is up to them whether they v...Aberdonian,<br /><br />Well, it is up to them whether they vote 'Yes' or 'No'. What is difficult about that to understand?<br /><br />Denying them that right - to choice - is a tad undemocratic.douglas clarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11422060678908705962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-19480318525881905692017-06-09T13:53:28.085+01:002017-06-09T13:53:28.085+01:00If the public don't want another Indyref how d...If the public don't want another Indyref how do propose persuading them to vote Yes if you push on and hold it?Aberdonianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18223644313298279653noreply@blogger.com