tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post1944097362953200984..comments2024-03-28T16:21:32.043+00:00Comments on SCOT goes POP!: Good evening, Scotland. Yes takes the lead.James Kellyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01516007141763230886noreply@blogger.comBlogger87125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-35360702236734197092014-09-07T17:22:52.945+01:002014-09-07T17:22:52.945+01:00Rupert Murdoch just tweeted that Yes internal pols...Rupert Murdoch just tweeted that Yes internal pols showing 54Y 46N.<br /><br />Not sure what to make of this as old rupert is a very shady character.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10678903759314268561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-63848362051286361712014-09-07T13:48:03.225+01:002014-09-07T13:48:03.225+01:00Chalks : I don't think that's right - Ivor...Chalks : I don't think that's right - Ivor Knox is saying Panelbase only did one poll this week.James Kellynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-80114521312037224272014-09-07T13:41:56.801+01:002014-09-07T13:41:56.801+01:00There is another panelbase poll, fieldwork finishe...There is another panelbase poll, fieldwork finished yesterday or friday. chalksnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-46101494583046190392014-09-07T13:40:21.082+01:002014-09-07T13:40:21.082+01:00No offence guys, but I think you are reading too m...No offence guys, but I think you are reading too much into panelbase showing no swing. There has very obviously been a swing. Yougov has shown it and I am certain the next polls will too. Go onto the street, there is very evidently a swing to yes. Panelbase will show it soon enough. God only knows what Labour voters will think of milibands latest....35% soon to be 40%chalksnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-63093209086764434212014-09-07T13:35:34.466+01:002014-09-07T13:35:34.466+01:00YouGov say their next poll will be published this ...YouGov say their next poll will be published this coming Friday...can't wait!Patrick Rodennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-17625607131912482662014-09-07T13:15:47.781+01:002014-09-07T13:15:47.781+01:00No offence guys, but I think you are reading too m...No offence guys, but I think you are reading too much into panelbase showing no swing. There has very obviously been a swing. Yougov has shown it and I am certain the next polls will too. Go onto the street, there is very evidently a swing to yes. Panelbase will show it soon enough. God only knows what Labour voters will think of milibands latest....35% soon to be 40%chalksnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-49824769868156514702014-09-07T13:07:10.508+01:002014-09-07T13:07:10.508+01:00Sorry if this has been already asked.
Would this ...Sorry if this has been already asked.<br /><br />Would this poll possibly reflect an upweighting of the Labour voters to a more realistic higher Yes voting intention?cynicalHighlanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06034325908473006163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-43363828470139138052014-09-07T13:05:59.785+01:002014-09-07T13:05:59.785+01:00No offence guys, but I think you are reading too m...No offence guys, but I think you are reading too much into panelbase showing no swing. There has very obviously been a swing. Yougov has shown it and I am certain the next polls will too. Go onto the street, there is very evidently a swing to yes. Panelbase will show it soon enough. God only knows what Labour voters will think of milibands latest....35% soon to be 40%chalksnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-22267595132591477042014-09-07T12:36:46.557+01:002014-09-07T12:36:46.557+01:00I suspect YouGov dirty tricks Initially their poll...I suspect YouGov dirty tricks Initially their polls were meant to kill off Yes before they could get started. But they have had to quickly catch up. What I don't understand is why is Panelbase not picking up the momentum.Denisenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-2663670756135554562014-09-07T11:10:10.710+01:002014-09-07T11:10:10.710+01:00There is another panelbase poll, fieldwork finishe...There is another panelbase poll, fieldwork finished yesterday or friday. chalksnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-32910662336156832032014-09-07T11:06:07.818+01:002014-09-07T11:06:07.818+01:00Are we certain the Panelbase poll was carried out ...Are we certain the Panelbase poll was carried out between 2 and 4 Aug? Where can I see details of it?<br /><br />I think reason 3 is most likely as to why YES held back/published Panelbase poll:<br /><br />"It (YES) had heard about the YouGov poll, and decided to use the Panelbase poll to dampen down the hype." <br /><br />Last thing YES wants is slackening off of enthusiasm and canvassing and a...we have it won attitude. Just remember last Quebec poll 2/3 days before vote showed 53% Y 47% N while result was 50.3% N 49.7% Y. And that happened because on the eve of the poll the Canadian Gov 'promised' much greater powers if NO vote. Needless to say such promises were not delivered; in fact Quebec's powers were diminished afterwards.<br /><br />YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.James Colemannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-80787380700761157952014-09-07T10:54:40.430+01:002014-09-07T10:54:40.430+01:00Even more comedy today as 'Stormfront lite'...Even more comedy today as 'Stormfront lite' continues to bolster it's reputation as being hilariously out of touch and a complete irrelevance to the scottish independence referendum.<br /><br />"stuff the jocks" Smithson is trying to compare the Independence referendum to Clegg's short lived debate bounce. Not a joke. These idiots are so trapped in the westminster bubble they haven't the faintest idea just how decisive and overwhelming the massive grass-roots Yes movement is proving to be.<br /><br />It's all the more amusing since there used to be a time when the lib dems had a reputation for having efficient ground campaigns. Not any more thanks to calamity Clegg decimating the lib dems in scotland and elsewhere. <br /><br />This also helps explain the petulant shrieking from some of Clegg's obsequious spinners. It is patently obvious the lib dems have never and will never come close to the kind of broad-based grass roots movement the Yes campaign have nurtured and grown over the past few years. A grass-roots movement which has swept across scotland and covers all ages and backgrounds. <br /><br />Clegg's few remaining yellow tories are little more than a political irrelevance in scotland. (with a taxi full of MSPs) The unmistakable signs of the huge, positive and dedicated groundswell for Yes is obviously taking it's toll on the more delusional of Clegg's ostrich faction. They have to watch this referendum from the sidelines with barely concealed envy and bitterness. <br /><br />They were warned long, long ago what the toxic Clegg would do to their party but they simply refused to listen and still do. Most decent lib dems rejected Clegg just as long ago and are a valued part of the Yes campaign. They want a better scotland where Trident and endless bloody and pointless quagmires in the middle east will become a thing of the past. A scotland where every vote counts and the persecution and westminster attacks on the disabled, the vulnerable and the poor will not be tolerated.<br /><br />The contempt the tired and corrupt westminster establishment has for the people of scotland could not be more stark today. After a huge number of scots <b>have already voted</b> westminster tries to trick the scottish public with worthless promises of jam tomorrow. <br /><br /><br />At the same time the ridiculous little Ed shrieks about Border Guards while the out of touch Osborne is still banging away dementedly about currency.<br /><br />They are doubling down on the negativity exactly as predicted and the results for No will be just as 'effective' as they have been for the past few months and as they were in 2011.Mick Porknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-40919231393626599502014-09-07T10:43:28.817+01:002014-09-07T10:43:28.817+01:00James
My own view is that Kellner has been involv...James<br /><br />My own view is that Kellner has been involved in ferocious push polling from the start, but it has become plain to him that the result was going to be so far from his own No friendly efforts as to do serious damage to YouGov's reputation, so he was obliged to call it off?<br /><br />I think you are too kind in accepting the history of methodological peculiarity and the preponderance of Labour voters in the sample as innocent.Craig Murrayhttp://craigmurray.org.uknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-50348725104447173852014-09-07T10:39:36.493+01:002014-09-07T10:39:36.493+01:00@Expat,
I saw a few articles recently in which Ed...@Expat,<br /><br />I saw a few articles recently in which Ed Milliband was holding up a copy of the Sun Newspaper. Not just one picture or one solitary mistake but the article had a whole range of different photos, the most recent taken during the recent World Cup.<br /><br />So c'mon bud, just stop with your Salmond loves Murdoch crap, because it is moving your posts from reasonable poster, to silly trolling, and I'm sure you are keen to avoid that.Patrick Rodennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-55432799757060048342014-09-07T10:28:49.540+01:002014-09-07T10:28:49.540+01:00As someone who has been quick to demean YouGov pol...As someone who has been quick to demean YouGov polls in the past, because they did not reflect what we could see and feel 'on the ground' I have to hold my hand up and say that this past few weeks they have been bang on the money!<br /><br />Anyone who goes on Twitter will have saw the surge of tweets saying that people who were staunch No's have switched to Yes, with previous members of the No campaign also publicly coming out for Yes.<br /><br />The Wee Blue Book seems to be converting almost everyone who reads it and there has been something like 300,000 hard copied printed off as well as over 400,000 digital versions downloaded.<br /><br />Scotland is practically bouncing and that one thing that the BT campaign feared the most (hence the negative campaign) is happening...<br /><br />A Positive momentum!<br /><br />No complacency, but the trend to Yes is palatable and in my opinion unstoppable.<br /><br />Mondays market reaction will be interesting, but Cameron Osborne's reaction will be even more interesting...I wonder if Ed Balls is working on his resignation letter today? Patrick Rodennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-20026007130399259842014-09-07T10:05:55.692+01:002014-09-07T10:05:55.692+01:00The polls are simply beginning to confirm what we ...The polls are simply beginning to confirm what we have all known for a long long time. When people have to actually choose between whether Westminster or Holyrood really represents them the choice is obvious. That doesn't mean we should pause our work now or even after September 18th, it's up to us to make sure our governments remain ours.Justin Kenrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05371269693334856586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-68542356690307235452014-09-07T09:47:01.383+01:002014-09-07T09:47:01.383+01:00@Chalks
'When was the fieldwork carried out fo...@Chalks<br />'When was the fieldwork carried out for the panelbase poll?'<br /><br />2-4th Sep I think.Theuniondivvienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-20644323537400955452014-09-07T09:44:21.334+01:002014-09-07T09:44:21.334+01:00Expat said at September 6, 2014 at 11:55 PM
“Al...Expat said at September 6, 2014 at 11:55 PM <br /><i> “Alec Salmond is currently Murdoch's only political ally in these islands.” </i><br /><br />What on earth gave you that idea? <b>Murdoch is absolutely no-ones ally, ever.</b> At the moment, Alec Salmond is the enemy of his enemy. It will last for as long as it suits Murdoch's agenda. It is that simple. <br /><br />Alec Salmond and SNP do not do the cosy relationships and private deals that are commonplace down south.<br /><br />As for the change in the polls, I have always been extremely skeptical of them. While they may want to please their London clients, they can't be seen to be totally off the mark as that would damage their credibility. They have used the last minute surge before.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-81771411646636498052014-09-07T09:15:34.643+01:002014-09-07T09:15:34.643+01:00When was the fieldwork carried out for the panelba...When was the fieldwork carried out for the panelbase poll?chalksnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-18276662745364444452014-09-07T07:16:41.704+01:002014-09-07T07:16:41.704+01:00James - great post as ever. But are you really su...James - great post as ever. But are you really suggesting that, after all this time, it could be that it is Panelbase is the outlier, rather than YouGov?EdinburghPhilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02607333526580186251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-41649744151241409632014-09-07T02:05:27.733+01:002014-09-07T02:05:27.733+01:00Rod : I very much doubt it - that would mean they&...Rod : I very much doubt it - that would mean they've been conducting two polls simultaneously, and I haven't picked up any indications of that.James Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01516007141763230886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-56602359260265584162014-09-07T01:56:49.388+01:002014-09-07T01:56:49.388+01:00Any truth in rumour Panelbase Poll out on Monday s...Any truth in rumour Panelbase Poll out on Monday showing YES in front by 5 points?Scotty52https://www.blogger.com/profile/15982274953951071466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-66323639079169168622014-09-07T01:15:58.193+01:002014-09-07T01:15:58.193+01:00Sad Britnat Scotland hating trolls, flamers and as... Sad Britnat Scotland hating trolls, flamers and assorted shills for Blair McBloated.<br /><br /> Still the smears about the Fm being in the pocket of Murdoch.<br /><br /> "You'll read it first in the Sun". That was Millipede. <br /><br /> Swilling champagne at the Murdoch's garden party. That was Millipede, Bollocks, Mrs Bollocks, and the rest of the Shadow Cabinet.<br /><br /> Pictured looking like a constipated ferret while proudly holding a copy of The Sun before apologising for doing so. That was Millipede. Saviour of The Union and Mallorus Scotorum Rex in waiting.<br /><br /> You really must try harder. Why not repeat the Trump lies? Your fellow Scotophobes on Cif are busy with that failed stratagem.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-63070652428122734092014-09-07T00:45:41.456+01:002014-09-07T00:45:41.456+01:00If this transpires, then Salmond will challenge Ca...If this transpires, then Salmond will challenge Cameron to a debate and this time the Etonian won't be able to avoid.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-78652048101740948152014-09-07T00:34:14.543+01:002014-09-07T00:34:14.543+01:00Why weren't the Leveson proposals implemented ...Why weren't the Leveson proposals implemented after one of the most comprehensive Judge led inquiries ever seen in Britain?<br /><br />Why were the radically watered down Royal Charter proposals (made by Cameron and endorsed by little Ed and Labour) for the press booted till well after the 2015 general election after Murdoch and Dacre objected vehemently to them? (with almost zero fuss from Cameron and Miliband when they were quietly booted into touch)<br /><br />Where has the Irish model for press regulation (in most ways far more effective and definitely less palatable to the media barons than even Leveson and one most of the UK the papers operate under RIGHT NOW) been praised and proposed as a model to implement? <br /><br />Is David Cameron's spindoctor and close friend Andy Coulson still in Prison?<br /><br />You are operating under the amusing delusion that you know more about Murdoch and indeed the press in general than anyone else on here. You could not be more wrong.<br /><br />The most pertinent point though is this. <b>ANYONE</b> who thinks a couple of Murdoch tweets or even an endorsement from the Sun matters more than the massive and diverse grassroots Yes movement has their head stuck firmly up their arse and trapped in the westminster bubble.<br /><br />The Yes ground campaign are winning this and always have been.<br /><br />Nor do we have to look far for the truth of why Murdoch is doing what he is. He likes his papers to back winners as you admitted yourself.<br />Mick Porknoreply@blogger.com