tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post1094970298193964062..comments2024-03-29T07:15:16.690+00:00Comments on SCOT goes POP!: And now for the good news...James Kellyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01516007141763230886noreply@blogger.comBlogger138125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-49664302366888576802014-09-20T19:43:36.897+01:002014-09-20T19:43:36.897+01:00*More afraid to rock the boat, I should say.*More afraid to rock the boat, I should say.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-55348270262116330652014-09-20T19:25:59.748+01:002014-09-20T19:25:59.748+01:00Ah, so you're not pinning much hopes on suppor...Ah, so you're not pinning much hopes on support for independence diminishing from its current high watermark. Probably wise.<br /><br />There are course two little flaws in your logic -<br /><br />1) The exit polls showed that under-55s broke for Yes. If today's average 50-year-old is a Yes voter, it's murderously hard to see why the 20-year-old Yes voter of today would go No by the time they are 50 themselves.<br /><br />2) You're assuming the No preference of older people was predominantly driven by conservatism, rather than by a latent attachment to British identity. If it's the latter, you guys have got a problem - people may become more conservative as they get older, but I know of no evidence that they become more British.James Kellynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-8150703735177697812014-09-20T19:16:45.163+01:002014-09-20T19:16:45.163+01:00It doesn't necessarily follow that the 20 year...It doesn't necessarily follow that the 20 year old yes voter of today would still be a yes voter in 30 years' time. People change as they get older. They become more conservative and less afraid to rock the boat. Run this again in thirty years and I'd expect the same result.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-81318864638706859032014-09-20T10:28:55.589+01:002014-09-20T10:28:55.589+01:00Oh, and by the way, there are no "running cos...Oh, and by the way, there are no "running costs" at all for a blog like this.James Kellynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-19103003586043459742014-09-20T10:27:40.422+01:002014-09-20T10:27:40.422+01:00With respect, the nature of the fundraisers and wh...With respect, the nature of the fundraisers and what they were for have been comprehensively explained. I think that's quite a nasty comment and totally unwarranted. I have not in any way been trying to pressure people to donate (especially if they're skint), and I went out of my way to make that clear. But this is the real world, and it's not actually possible to do the equivalent of a job (in fact over the last few weeks it's been the equivalent of a full-time job) without receiving any income from it whatsoever. I do actually have to eat. So it's either run the fundraiser or stop the blog (or reduce it to a 'skeleton service').James Kellynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-13042213934101884112014-09-20T10:16:41.881+01:002014-09-20T10:16:41.881+01:00Oh I didn't realise the fundraiser was to pay ...Oh I didn't realise the fundraiser was to pay you to write this blog. To be honest I'm skint and so are many others. Might've found a few quid for running costs but tbh James not to give you an income. SorryAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-69791974978212287212014-09-19T20:09:04.570+01:002014-09-19T20:09:04.570+01:00Pat Buchanan, in his latest piece, wondered whethe...Pat Buchanan, in his latest piece, wondered whether the Scots were willing to suffer for the cause? The answer is no and there are many reasons to explain this response. I suspect many of the n-vote will experience a honeymoon period in the weeks ahead ...<br /><br />A famous ENGLISH poet said many centuries ago: learn to suffer or else I assure you, you will learn to suffer. Or, as Freddie Flintoff said when sledging an irritating opponent, "watch it pal, this game has a funny habit of biting you in the arse."<br /><br />Let's wait and see!Sadie Vacantisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04823532366874114366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-56373885307448971762014-09-19T19:43:20.863+01:002014-09-19T19:43:20.863+01:00Anon @ 6.38.
I'm a lot older than you; I vote...Anon @ 6.38.<br /><br />I'm a lot older than you; I voted Yes for you and those even younger. My dearest wish was to be able to help gift you a better, fairer Scotland than we had ourselves and one that you could be proud of. I'm sorry to my heart for not being able to give you it. <br /><br />But you're right, it's not over yet. It's already been a very long road and there's been many before us, I hope there won't be too many to come after us. We'll do it yet. As you say, the story of Bruce and the spider may be just that but the meaning behind the story holds true. Guinphynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-54048355537316849452014-09-19T18:56:51.557+01:002014-09-19T18:56:51.557+01:00PS to above: I'm over 55 and voted Yes so don&...PS to above: I'm over 55 and voted Yes so don't put us all in the 'bad' category!JennyCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-53326301517307633912014-09-19T18:55:31.937+01:002014-09-19T18:55:31.937+01:00Like everyone else here I'm gutted. However pl...Like everyone else here I'm gutted. However please don't give up as its very important that we have alternatives to the MSM. Happy to contribute again to another fund raiser.JennyCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-57618868057504928922014-09-19T18:38:16.415+01:002014-09-19T18:38:16.415+01:00I have no words to describe the sorrow I feel for ...<br />I have no words to describe the sorrow I feel for my family and for Scotland after today's events; the loss of the referendum, the resignation of our First Minister, the inevitable condemnation to a darker future by Unionist backtracking and broken promises - nothing can ease the pain.<br /><br />Throughout this campaign I have looked to Robert the Bruce's story; though much of it is fictional I view his story as analogous to our movement as a whole. Bruce fought most of his adult life for independence, as many know, but he lost far more in his campaign proportionately than he won. He also lost most of those dearest to him. He was forced to go into retreat and often slept rough; some attribute the terminal illness he developed to this period. <br /><br />There is the myth of Bruce and the spider; the spider that spun the web that broke every time. "If at first you don't succeed, try, try again". Though the story itself is likely false, I do not doubt Bruce would have had such periods of reflection in his darkest hour before he rose to vanquish the enemies of Scotland. You could say that we are all in the cave now, in retreat after our most painful defeat yet; watching the spiders.<br /><br />Another point to note is that, despite Bruce's ultimate decisive victory over his foes, his reign over a truly independent state was extremely short lived. Bruce was already suffering from leprosy (or similar) in 1328 when the Treaty of Edinburgh-Northampton was signed. He died the following year, having only seen independence for a year at best. <br /> <br />I am 19 years old. The referendum vote was the second vote of my life following the last European election. Though the greatest pain for me is by far the knowledge that so many members of my family and friends and valued colleagues will not see an independent Scotland, I know that possibility holds strong for me too, just as it did for Bruce, Wallace, de Moray and Wishart. In spite of that I swear to devote every remaining year of my life to the cause of securing Scotland as an independent nation-state because I believe, heart and soul, that it is right and just. <br /><br />We are the 45% for whom hope triumphed over fear. Stand and be counted, for we are the future.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-60444364807317483692014-09-19T18:24:35.224+01:002014-09-19T18:24:35.224+01:00"If you disagree, go contribute to the copiou...<i>"If you disagree, go contribute to the copious academic literature on the subject."</i><br /><br />Or, alternatively, I'll just make my point forcefully here. As I've just done.<br /><br />And I can't help but be somewhat bemused that your response to this comment of mine -<br /><br /><i>"That they all magically converged"</i><br /><br />- was "it's called convergence".<br /><br />Convergence is called convergence? Who'd have thunk it?James Kellynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-10143507870043377692014-09-19T18:21:58.335+01:002014-09-19T18:21:58.335+01:00The polls all showing the same numbers just proves... The polls all showing the same numbers just proves that they were rigged to sway people into voting they way their masters wanted.<br /><br /> Kellner is still a cock and shouldn't the No trolls be signing on as their contracts with the Scotland Never campaign have ended.<br /><br /> Cancelled the BBC tax today. Scared but had to be done.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-33701003829985815672014-09-19T18:14:04.605+01:002014-09-19T18:14:04.605+01:00@Callum
Particularly hilarious as the out of tou...@Callum<br /><br /><br />Particularly hilarious as the out of touch westminster twits "vows" and pledges on more powers fall about their ears and are exposed as lies with superb comedy timing.Mick Porknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-2234914706234140922014-09-19T18:13:19.853+01:002014-09-19T18:13:19.853+01:00James: "I may return to this point in more de...James: "I may return to this point in more detail, but the idea that the pollsters have been vindicated is utterly risible. That they all magically converged at the end doesn't change the fact that at least half of them clearly had a systemic bias throughout much of the campaign - either Survation, ICM and Panelbase were overstating Yes, or YouGov, Ipsos-Mori and TNS were overstating No."<br /><br />It's called convergence. Precisely the same thing has happened in countless other elections (e.g. in the 2008 US Presidential election the variance in Obama's lead in polls dropped from 7.9 to 3.2 in the last month). It comes from:<br /><br />1) People making up their mind closer to the vote<br /><br />2) Improvements in methodology as a campaign progresses<br /><br />If you disagree, go contribute to the copious academic literature on the subject.Peter Wilsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-58915299680634038372014-09-19T18:10:57.097+01:002014-09-19T18:10:57.097+01:00"It's over guys by a clear majority."...<i>"It's over guys by a clear majority."</i><br /><br /><br />Yeah like Devolution was, right? Wrong. :-)<br /><br />Try harder chum. Feeble trolling even by the usual 'standards' of the cowardly bigots and racists from PB.Mick Porknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-44744714837819759702014-09-19T18:09:47.175+01:002014-09-19T18:09:47.175+01:00"own selfish nationalist agenda."
And s..."own selfish nationalist agenda."<br /><br />And so satire dies, not with a bang, but with a ridiculous comment on a blog.Callumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00985135231318968429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-88592781779847888752014-09-19T18:08:13.163+01:002014-09-19T18:08:13.163+01:00"they'd see that most of Scotland is a gr...<i>"they'd see that most of Scotland is a great place to be"</i><br /><br />No wonder - it's got an SNP government.<br /><br /><i>"28 of the 32 council areas"</i><br /><br />That jibe would work a hell of a lot better if a) that hadn't come about mainly because the Yes vote was relatively evenly spread, and b) three of the four areas where Yes won weren't so bloody enormous.<br /><br />Two years ago, you guys called it a "disaster for the SNP" when we won Scotland but lost Glasgow. You can't have it both ways.James Kellynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-5620393913955337862014-09-19T18:07:48.872+01:002014-09-19T18:07:48.872+01:00The BBC are reporting events with undisguised glee...The BBC are reporting events with undisguised glee. They have learned absolutely nothing, which is unsurprising.<br /><br />45% of the scottish public in an unprecedented turnout did not believe their lies and propaganda. So good luck getting them to believe much else you say from now on. <br /><br />The BBC had also better hope the incompetent fop Cameron doesn't join in with any more pointless immoral wars and military action soon either. Mick Porknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-31060961534642311942014-09-19T18:00:42.152+01:002014-09-19T18:00:42.152+01:00It's over guys by a clear majority. If the cor...It's over guys by a clear majority. If the core of the Yes support could see beyond their central belt council estates they'd see that most of Scotland is a great place to be and not the Tory oppressed poverty-stricken slum the SNP like to paint it as. <br />This is backed up by the fact that 28 of the 32 council areas voted to remain within the UK ie. maintain the status quo and their lifestyle and not be hijacked by a Yes minority who want to wreck and tear apart all that we have for their own selfish nationalist agenda. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-60684187934534495222014-09-19T17:40:11.122+01:002014-09-19T17:40:11.122+01:00Anon : To eat and to keep a roof over my head as I...Anon : To eat and to keep a roof over my head as I carry on blogging, basically. I also used some of the money from the last fundraiser on advertising.James Kellynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-3809741784301158592014-09-19T17:35:43.089+01:002014-09-19T17:35:43.089+01:00I might be able to make a small contribution...but...I might be able to make a small contribution...but can you tell me what the money is for?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-3917092437302222812014-09-19T17:17:20.144+01:002014-09-19T17:17:20.144+01:00"Not even 24 hours since the polls closed and...<i>"Not even 24 hours since the polls closed and every single promise of more powers has been show to be a lie. "</i><br /><br />Entirely as expected. Every quote, every interview every bit of weasel wording will be saved for later use. We wanted to win this referendum to ensure a better scotland for everyone in scotland as soon as possible. So we are all incredibly disappointed that we did not quite manage it this time and we will all take some time in our own ways to reflect on our sadness for all our fellow scots and campaigners.<br /><br />However, we <i>always</i> planned to keep fighting for what we believe and for some of us that starts again today. <br /><br /><br />Cammie will be gone and replaced by another bullingdon twit like Boris, another chinless wonder or even May when the clamour from scots for another vote is irresistable. Though to be fair when the tory party implodes into civil war over Europe yet again who knows what kind of fruitcake or loon could take Cammie's job? Mick Porknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-46173725872053543802014-09-19T17:08:23.613+01:002014-09-19T17:08:23.613+01:00This is the 1st time I have posted on this blog, e...This is the 1st time I have posted on this blog, even though I have read it since the start and have contributed to the Yes campaign throughout.<br /><br />I have been in tears through the disappointment felt that we did not persuade enough people to vote for positive change...<br /><br />However I say this now. lets not be disheartened, let's not give up, let's fight harder than ever before to get the change we believe in.<br /><br />It is through blogs like this and newsnet and bella Caledonia that we came ultimately succeed because you can guarantee that Westminster will mess things up again through their own arrogance and we need to be ready to take advantage.<br /><br />So I say to you James that blogs like these strongly need to continue and each of us need to make a decision on how we contribute to maintain these sites and the visibility that the independence campaign has got outside of the MSM, which is not going to suddenly convert itself to our cause.<br /><br />Let's not give up, let's fight harder.<br /><br />Let's not stop now, but strive for greater powers.<br /><br />The future is ours, it is just going take a bit longer to reach.grrth1314https://www.blogger.com/profile/10854339594836508526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-57472470404095670542014-09-19T17:05:13.967+01:002014-09-19T17:05:13.967+01:00Cameron refuses to guarantee a vote on the Brown T...<br /><br /> Cameron refuses to guarantee a vote on the Brown Timetable.<br /><br /> Millipede refuses to support Cameron's Devolution proposals.<br /> <br /> And Clegg says ... Who gives a fuck what he says.<br /><br /><br /> Not even 24 hours since the polls closed and every single promise of more powers has been show to be a lie. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com