The voting system hasn't changed over the years, so the logic I was setting out in 2011 and 2016 for the most part has remained sound. That logic was:
* The overall composition of parliament is determined by the list ballot, not by the constituency ballot. If Party X gets 15% of the vote on the list ballot, the system will aim to give Party X roughly 15% of the overall seats in parliament, regardless of whether it receives 5% or 40% of the vote on the constituency ballot. The list ballot is therefore the more important of the two, and should be used for your first-choice party.
* Although the greater importance of the list ballot can break down a bit if one party has a totally dominant lead on the constituency ballot, and although that leads people to feel they can 'hack' the system by tactically voting for a second-choice party on the list, you can only do that safely if you know what the constituency results are going to be at the moment you cast your vote, and by definition you don't. If you think you do, the information you're basing that belief on is nowhere near as reliable as you think it is.
* In both 2011 and 2016, it was fair to say that past history suggested there was a significant risk that the Greens might not win list seats in most regions, so if an SNP supporter voted 'tactically' for a second-choice party on the list, regardless of which party that was, there was a danger they were voting for a party that wouldn't win any seats in their region and would thus help unionists to win seats - a classic example of an intended tactical vote completely backfiring.
If the logic has changed at all, it's only on that third and final point, because the Greens are now much more established and it's arguably extremely unlikely that they won't take a significant number of list seats. So the risks attached to voting Green are now lower than they used to be - but it's important to stress that the point remains unchanged for all of the non-Green fringe pro-indy parties. If you vote 'tactically' on the list for any of those tiny parties, you are throwing your list vote away on parties that cannot possibly win any seats, and you are helping unionists to win seats. That is true beyond a shadow of doubt.
The choice on the list for sensible independence supporters therefore narrows to just two: SNP or Green. I'm a member of the SNP, so I'll leave it to Green members and supporters to make the case for the Greens. I'm going to make the case for Both Votes SNP, and it remains an extremely strong one.
The nub of it is this: as things stand this morning, you really don't have a clue what the constituency results are going to be. There is a huge spread in the polls from a 12-point SNP lead in the constituency ballot with More In Common to a 24-point lead with Find Out Now. Polling accuracy is not determined by majority vote, or by averaging - often an outlier poll proves to be the most accurate, as we saw in 2017. I therefore would not be totally surprised if the SNP clean up in the constituencies to such an extent that they win an overall majority on constituency seats alone, and I also would not be surprised if the wheels come off and they lose a truckload of constituencies that most people are assuming are safe. There's one overnight projection on Twitter based on the More In Common poll that has the SNP on just 43 seats. That would be a catastrophe that could potentially even open the door for a unionist government. It's a real possibility because with a 12 point SNP lead on the constituency ballot, unionist parties start to move into the fringes of contention in a large number of seats, and in some cases unionist tactical voting on the constituency ballot will get them over the line. (To be clear, tactical voting does work on the constituency ballot.). If people have abandoned the SNP on the list ballot because they assume SNP list votes will be 'wasted', the SNP will not be compensated for their constituency losses with list seats, and the disaster will be compounded, wholly unnecessarily.
As we survey this scene of massive uncertainty on the morning of polling day, with both an SNP overall majority and a disastrous SNP result remaining realistic possibilities, we can really only look back in wonder at the unutterable folly of the people such as Somerset Stew who were absurdly trying to convince you a year ago that they already knew with absolute certainly how many constituency seats the SNP were going to win today and therefore that all SNP list votes would be wasted. If you're an SNP supporter who is tempted to vote 'tactically' on the list, it's true that in the best case scenario where the SNP clean up in the constituencies, you could look back with the benefit of hindsight and think to yourself that there was a missed opportunity to get rid of one or two unionists on the list. But in the worst case scenario that the More In Common poll is right, you could end up with the psychological catastrophe of Reform outpolling the SNP on the list ballot (it's within the poll's margin of error), and such a poor seats tally for the SNP that it would set the cause of independence back years. You would then spend the next five years kicking yourself for being so daft as to not vote SNP on the list and to contribute to that result coming about. The latter danger is far more scary than the former.
I don't know which way it's going to go - I don't even have a particularly strong gut feeling about whether the polling average is underestimating or overestimating the SNP. There's a plausible case to be made for either, and I therefore can't promise you that you won't end up with regrets if you take my advice. But it's the very fact that we don't have a crystal ball handy that means the logic points overwhelmingly, in my view, to being safe, being responsible, and voting Both Votes SNP.
I have no prediction on seats but I think SNP will get about 30% of the vote with quite a few people not voting this year.
ReplyDeleteHear a lot of grudging snp votes, dont really much about the other parties at all. Maybe just the company I keep.
Most people have a fair idea how their own constituency is likely to go which opens up the list a bit more but im in Eastwood and it could go anywhere so playing it safe with snp
If Eastwood goes Tory, that would probably mean the odious Russell Findlay not winning his list seat. I am tempted to hope the Tory wins just to see Findlay out on his ear.
DeleteFairliered you do realise you are saying you want Jackson Carlaw the Tory genocide lover to win the Eastwood. Get a grip.
DeleteIt is not possible to eat a cherry in one bite.
ReplyDeleteWell some pollsters are mistaken this time, by the way More in common contradicts itself with a MRP poll that instead is in line with other polls
ReplyDeleteIn 67 constituencies there is only one Independence candidate, the SNP, if there still is a Yes movement they have to vote, if there is any truth in the Independence polls, otherwise there is no point in a referendum
ReplyDeleteAnon at 11.33am there should have been a de facto referendum in 2021 and there should have been one now in 2026. People will vote for independence and real change.
Deleteifs- maybee's ayes maybee naws. "Should have been" is your watchword.
DeleteHow should I vote in Caithness?
ReplyDeleteJust done it SNP 1 & 2
DeleteMy advice is do not vote for an English ( London) controlled party. It should only be proper Scottish political parties ( registered in Scotland ) that sit as MSPs in a Scottish parliament. Scottish Labour is not Scottish it is English. Scottish Conservatives is not Scottish it is English. Scottish Lib Dems is not Scottish it is English. Reform U.K. is not even bothering to try and kid on it is Scottish.
ReplyDeletePersonally, this morning in Eastwood I wore a gas mask ( holding my nose was insufficient ) and voted for that awful woman Kirsten Oswald, SNP in the constituency. Only 5 choices - the other 4 were worse candidates. There was no joy in voting for her.
On the Regional ( long peach ) voting paper there was a choice of 20. It even included a party (?) called William Wallace. I voted for the Independence for Scotland Party ( ISP) led by a local resident - Colette Walker.
I am content that as ever I did not vote for any English ( London) controlled parties.
It would be nice if Swinney got his SNP majority so that as per 2021 the SNP numpties will see that Swinney, like Sturgeon before him, will do nothing about independence despite winning election after election and having independence majorities.
" IFS ....do shut up....there's a good wee numpty."
DeleteDo you feel you achieved anything by voting ISP? Seems pointless to me, but it’s your vote!
DeleteSo bloody depressing ae. Anither four years of navel gazing waiting for the carrots to come out and on it goes ad infinitum
DeleteIt's been a very strange election all round. I have followed them since after 2011 and this has got to be the quietest one I have experienced. Outside my family I have heard no one talk about the election. In 2024 my friends and office were a good indicator of the Labour win but this time there has been total silence on that front. There is no enthusiasm for the SNP but there doesn't seem to be any for anyone else either. I have seen only a single window poster the whole campaign (it was for the SNP). It makes getting any kind of gut feeling very difficult. Unlike in 2024 when the polls were consistent with each other and ended up being bang on, this time they are all over the place. Anything from the SNP falling below 50 seats to winning a majority would not surpise me. I genuinely have no idea until the results come in on Friday which way it will go. The only thing I feel sure of is low turnout, maybe the lowest of the devolution era.
ReplyDeleteThankfully at this election we have been spared the Declan ( Scottish Skier ) forecasts. Has Skier finally learned from his many embarrassing forecasts to just not forecast.
ReplyDeleteI have wondered where Scottish skier gets his stats as so many elections have been way off but appears to post daily on wee gi her dug. I mean it's uplifting to read but recent elections (especially GE 2024) have been way off.
DeleteSatire at its finest. Didn’t know you had it in you. What are you and Nicola doing tonight?
DeleteLow turnout. Whoever wins will completely ignore the low turnout. Scotland's professional political class continues to distance itself from the people. Regardless of the size of the probable SNP win independence will be ignored when the ballot boxes have been stashed away. It's been that way for over ten years now. Hence the low turnout.
ReplyDeleteWill this be an election where the majority see no point in bothering to vote for career politicians to grandstand over us in a mickey mouse colonial parliament?
ReplyDeleteObviously you don't pay attention. Thankfully apart form your obvious anon posts you have been remarkably quiet. Packing your case?
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