Thursday, April 9, 2026

The crazy, topsy-turvy logic (and in some cases hypocrisy) of the "tactical voting on the list" advocates

I'm beginning to think I'm going to have to mute certain accounts on Twitter to get through the rest of the Holyrood campaign with my sanity intact.  Every single time I log in, I see retweet after retweet from the Atlas brigade of Tommy Sheridan basically lying through his teeth (or being misleading, to put it charitably) by claiming there was recently a Find Out Now poll predicting that Atlas will take 8% of the national list vote.  That poll showed no such thing, and he damn well knows it, because he and his colleagues commissioned it themselves and chose the question.  Indeed, there were Glasgow-specific results from the poll which were startlingly poor for Tommy.  They suggest that his popularity in the city has dipped and make it overwhelmingly unlikely he can win a seat there on the basis of his personal vote, no matter what party he chooses to stand for.

But the worst part of the dishonesty is his claim that "SNP 1 & 2" (there are no numbers in this voting system, chaps!) is a "unionist voting strategy" and that all independence supporters should vote for him and the Atlas gang instead to stop Reform winning seats.  Now the case for SNP supporters to vote Both Votes SNP is clear enough and I've set it out many times.  The list vote is the more important vote because it is the only vote that directly determines the composition of parliament.  If you think you are voting tactically by voting for your first-choice party on the constituency ballot and your second-choice party on the list, there is a very high risk of you kicking yourself afterwards, because if your first-choice party doesn't win in your constituency, literally the only thing you will have done is cast a vote for your second-choice party in a proportional representation election.  That's the only vote that will count, which is a perverse outcome.    By contrast, if you act in the way that the system was intended by voting for your first-choice party on the list ballot, your two votes will effectively operate in tandem with each other and ensure that your preference is counted towards seats.  If your first-choice party doesn't win your constituency, that's not a problem because your list vote will still count and will help your party win list seats.  But if that party does win your constituency and other neighbouring constituencies, even if that means it doesn't win any compensatory list seats, that's still OK because your preference has still counted towards the party winning a seat.

Now, some people just viscerally hate the fact that the two votes work in tandem in this way, and that you often effectively end up using one vote as a back-up in case something goes awry with the other.  They feel that it shouldn't work like that and that if both votes don't actively count towards getting pro-independence MSPs elected, something has gone fundamentally wrong and it must be corrected.  That's not a realistic attitude, but after decades of listening to this stuff, I know it's never going to go away.  But what I also know is that if you truly believe that both votes have to count in all circumstances, and that if you truly believe the SNP cannot win any list seats in this election (definitely not true by the way) what you would do is look for a non-SNP pro-independence party that actually has a chance of winning list seats.  The only such party in existence is the Green party.

And yet Tommy and the others tell you NOT to vote Green on the list, but instead to throw your vote away on a no-hoper fringe party that cannot possibly win any seats.  By doing that they are guilty of *exactly* what they accuse SNP list voters of doing, ie. of following a 'unionist voting strategy' that can only help Reform win list seats.  Why do they not tell people to vote Green, as their own logic points inexorably towards?  I'm trying to imagine what answer they would give to that question, and all I can think of is that they would say "because the Greens don't know what a woman is".  Hmmm.  That doesn't sound much like "independence nothing less, independence nothing else".  Quite the reverse, it sounds like you're massively prioritising an unrelated issue over independence.  It's just sheer hypocrisy.

My own message is simple: tactical voting on the list is a mug's game because it carries too high a risk of backfiring.  You should always vote for your first-choice party on the list, and yes, if your first-choice party is the SNP, you should vote SNP on the list.  However, if you are reckless enough to go down the tactical voting route, for the love of God at least make sure you're voting for a pro-indy party that can actually win seats on the list.  If you vote for a party on the list that is not your first choice, and which cannot win any seats because it is too small, and if by doing so you are helping unionist parties to win seats instead, and if you imagine all of this constitutes some sort of ingenious "strategic" vote...well, there is only one word for what you are doing and that word is stupidity.

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17 comments:

  1. Just seen someone on Facebook punting the 8% figure. What's the real story?

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    1. Stew is the only person who ever knows "the real story", but the 8% was in response to a question about whether people would "consider" voting Atlas. Think about how many flavours you considered before you last bought an ice cream. An openness to "consider" something is not the same thing as "I will vote for you". It's not even close.

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  2. Lesley Riddoch in the National is telling everyone a vote on the List for the SNP is wasted, vote Green for a supermajority as recommended by a "Britnat" pollster who has no ulterior motive nosireee.

    She neglects to add that she's a member of the Green Party.

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    1. Loves coming to snp events to sell her wares though. Ever been to Norway/ Finland…..?

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    2. While Lesley Riddoch is a very prominent supporter of the Scottish Greens and frequently speaks at their events—including a major campaign event in February 2026 alongside co-leader Ross Greer—she generally maintains that she is a non-party campaigner.
      Publicly, she positions herself as an advocate for the wider independence movement rather than a card-carrying member. However, the line is often blurred in the eyes of her critics because:
      • Campaign Involvement: She is a regular keynote speaker at Green Party conferences and local branch meetings (such as the Edinburgh Greens). 
      • Tactical Advice: Her columns in The National consistently argue for the "Max the Yes" strategy (SNP for the constituency, Green for the list), which aligns perfectly with the Greens' own electoral strategy.
      • Policy Alignment: Her "Nordic Horizons" work and her advocacy for land reform and localism are often cited as being closer to the Green manifesto than the current SNP platform.
      In short: while she hasn't officially confirmed a "member" status in the formal sense (and usually identifies as a "journalist and campaigner"), she is effectively the Greens' most high-profile media ally. For those in the "Both Votes SNP" camp, her advice is often viewed as a Green partisan effort disguised as neutral movement strategy.

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    3. The issue with the trotskiests/ extreme left wingers etc is that they continually argue over minutiae that the general public are not vexed about. If I mark my ballot papers X and X I don’t wish to waste it on baurheid or even crookston Boyd’s.

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    4. Thank you, ChatGPT.

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    5. You are welcome.

      I would have rewritten it but I’m on my phone and can't be arsed.

      Fun fact: Riddoch was one kiboshed by P(at)rick Harvie in person as a green candidate for an election, I’m guessing 2021 Holyrood election, and probably not for her own seat which is East Fife. She does a good job of forgiving or just disguising her resentments!

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    6. Anon at 6.19 pm ... "her own seat" ... what are you on about? According to (the easy to look up) Wikipedia, she has never stood as a candidate in any election.

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    7. Not sure Riddoch is a member of the Green Party. She did say on her podcast once that she had wanted to stand for them but they turned her down. Not sure she is all that supportive of the Green Party either. She is very supportive of Andy Wightman due to his land reform stance but I think she turned against the Greens when Wightman left them.

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  3. Stew wings thinks it's bad for snp voters to vote for them on the list. Also thinks the snp should be destroyed.

    You'd think hed be clammering for snp list votes in that case? Not so. Funny that.

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    1. Good point, 6:43. I now EXPECT Wings to make a SHOCKING, AUTHORIATIVE BROONTERVENTION on the eve of Holyrood, REPUDIATING his FAKE HAHA GOTCHA #bothvotesREFORM strategy and pivoting to MAX THE DESTROY THE SNP VOTE with #BothVotesDestroyTheSNP with #bothvotesSNP GROUNDBREAKING INFALLIBLE SUPERPLAN FOOLPROOF TACTICAL MASTERSTROKE FOR THE AGES, look who's crying now? It's not me, it's not me, it is NOT me. Hahahah! Like and subscribe

      It may not be a tactical masterstroke, but there will be master-something and stroking in Bath that night!

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    2. LOL! Lesley changed a few years ago when she became a Cherry-ite and her podcast 'coach' replaced the excellent Paddy Joyce as her podcast partner - who is now Cherry's ex aide Fraser Thompson. She often became very emotional whenever the SNP achieved any popularity and was always very miffed when polls showed the SNP ahead. She blamed reducing attendances at AUOB marches as being the fault of the SNP not being indepedency enough and said Believe in Scotland were not really the yes movement - to which her podcast mate Thompson said they were the Vanilla part of the movement. However, she changed her tune when Believe in Scotland assisted organising one of her Finland film events and spoke when invited by BIS at the recent BIS rally on Calton Hill which - heaven forfend she must have been miffed that John Swinney also had been invited to speak. She does some great things - but I've always thought it a pity that part of her under the radar machinations was to put off smaller indy parties forming, telling them it would be too difficult for them - when really she was putting them off because she knew Salmond was about to get involved with Alba and didn't want any other wee indy parties being competition. She suffers from personality emotional overload when she is not seen to be THE high hied yin of the movement - and that's an unfortunate weakness and only serves to turn parts of the movement against others if she feels she isn't getting the most attention or people don't automatically behave the way she wants them to. She's not a bad lass - but very middle-class look down her nose at the wee sma folk.

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    3. Stew Campbell aligns with the Atlas must weaken or destroy the SNP crew. As James says, Tommy Sheridan's claim that Atlas were calculated to gain 8% is a fib and a half. Craig Murray, on one of their youtube things said he didn't stand a chance of winning where he was planning to stand - and their candidates don't come over as being confident at all. They must have no shortage of money to burn if they are standing as many as they say they are. Barrheid bloke keeps talking about 'our leader', so WHO is their leader(s)? They seem very pro Putin he can do no wrong.

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    4. The leader is nominally Hazel Lyon, and she gets very agitated whenever anyone suggests she isn't the real leader, but it's an open secret that Barrhead Boy is in charge.

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  4. Looking back through the Baurheid Bampot archives on his Prism site, it’s rather intriguing to discover that the proponents of this new ‘independence, nothing else’ outfit actually seem to have spent the last half decade obsessed with gender issues….

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