tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post7606840486920912952..comments2024-03-28T12:29:53.531+00:00Comments on SCOT goes POP!: The exclusion of the SNP from the summaries of poll results is arbitrary, Anglocentric and indefensibleJames Kellyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01516007141763230886noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-73413593810534389402018-07-27T23:14:42.503+01:002018-07-27T23:14:42.503+01:00From what you say, Charles, we can deduce that tho...From what you say, Charles, we can deduce that those who commission the polls, and doubtless quite a few others, actually know what the real figures are. <br /><br />That goes to show that the figures are being actively withheld from the public, even - especially - in the parts of the UK where they would be of greatest interest and significance.<br /><br />In the light of the constant barrage of negative propaganda or censorship-by-omission that we get here from the Great BritNat meeja machine, I am going to put my tinfoil hat on and say that leaving the figures for Plaid and the SNP to be swamped by the UK figures, or even omitted entirely, is simply a reflection of that overall meeja practice. I myself have noticed an increasing trend toward leaving them out completely.<br /><br />There is, in a backhanded sort of a way, some comfort to be derived from that: it means that the opposition are running scared, because you can bet your bottom dollar that if the polling results were bad for the SNP, they'd be all over it like a rash.<br /><br />We know the principle: for the BritNat meeja, and the BritNat Establishment, there can be no good news about the SNP; even good news has to be spun as SNPBAAAAAAD; and if they can't get away with that, then instead of negative propaganda there's always censorship by omission.ejfjhttp://eddjasfreeman.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-23867703079576868282018-07-27T22:29:24.575+01:002018-07-27T22:29:24.575+01:00Unlike you, of course, GWC2, because you're th...Unlike you, of course, GWC2, because you're the real thing: a nazi bum boy who wants Westminster to run Scotland.ejfjhttp://eddjasfreeman.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-79996379227774505692018-07-27T21:55:50.994+01:002018-07-27T21:55:50.994+01:00Pretend nat si bum boy who wants the EU to run Sco...Pretend nat si bum boy who wants the EU to run Scotland.GWC2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-16134375290628658452018-07-27T17:13:06.362+01:002018-07-27T17:13:06.362+01:00What it tells me is that Britain Elects and the re...What it tells me is that Britain Elects and the rest of them have nothing to say to Scottish politics. It really should be England Elects. <br /><br />We know the SNP are around 42% in the full Scottish polls so 3.5% to 4% would indicate that the sub samples are sound. They used to report these numbers so I am inclined to the view that they have been told to stop publicising them. No recent election has suggested that the aggregate of sub samples for Scotland were any more inaccurate than the rest of the polls.HandandShrimpnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-44729457355817642512018-07-27T09:49:07.532+01:002018-07-27T09:49:07.532+01:00errr. Aren't the Greens only on the ballots in...errr. Aren't the Greens only on the ballots in England/Wales? I doubt this poll includes the Scottish Greens they are a separate party.The Dossierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00955904537141302038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-18907278536543300962018-07-27T05:11:28.500+01:002018-07-27T05:11:28.500+01:00Pretendy socialist like you, then.Pretendy socialist like you, then.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-90199662612125335252018-07-27T00:56:40.035+01:002018-07-27T00:56:40.035+01:00If only your father had just wanked this blogs com...If only your father had just wanked this blogs comment section and indeed the whole British isles would be measurably more intelligent.BillfromBostonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09399762489266212680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-74816353234692093332018-07-26T20:25:14.910+01:002018-07-26T20:25:14.910+01:00The Labour Party will not stand in Northern Irelan...The Labour Party will not stand in Northern Ireland because they do not respect the working class majority in NI. False socialists.GWC2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-24842751770439592902018-07-26T20:16:22.701+01:002018-07-26T20:16:22.701+01:00Most Yanks are sensible and not Wanks, those that ...Most Yanks are sensible and not Wanks, those that vote and do not moan about discrimination.GWC2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-37223709034296585892018-07-26T19:56:59.165+01:002018-07-26T19:56:59.165+01:00In Northern Ireland the Labour party doesn't s...In Northern Ireland the Labour party doesn't stand nor do the Lib-Dems,so then they will not be on any polls then.Charles O'Brien.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10778040983298966024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-16922049741939584252018-07-26T19:54:09.437+01:002018-07-26T19:54:09.437+01:00I am on the list for voting intentions and the SNP...I am on the list for voting intentions and the SNP is always on the list,as is Plaid Cymru.Charles O'Brien.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10778040983298966024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-15919924174123904222018-07-26T15:00:34.896+01:002018-07-26T15:00:34.896+01:00After all the brouhaha in recent years about inacc...After all the brouhaha in recent years about inaccurate polling, with the SNP being the third largest and most reliably unanimous voting bloc among the top three parties at Westminster, with the current Westminster regime dependent on the DUP to stay in power - with the DUP quite reliably voting with the Tories whether they are in open coalition or not - there can be no logical or statistical reason to not pay proper attention to polling the non-English parts of this precious, precious Union.<br /><br />The most likely explanation is that pressure is being exerted on the pollsters to provide results that are inaccurate: at best pretty much meaningless, and at worst deliberately misleading: poll results are deliberately pauchled only for (party) political advantage and for purposes of propaganda, and, as is well known, in the worst of cases that extends to the results of elections themselves.<br /><br />Are pollsters really so incompetent that they fail to include 16- and 17-year-olds in Scotland in their sampling in Scotland for independence referendum voting intentions (maybe 15-year-olds as well who will likely be able to vote by the time the referendum comes round), so incompetent that they insist on lumping together voting intentions for the non-Unionist parties in Scotland and Wales, i.e., outwith England? Do they act out of concious or unconscious anglocentricity, or do they do it to deliberately downplay, trivialize and suppress the true extent of the resistance to the Tories - and the other Unionist parties - outwith England?<br /><br />For once I'm with the tinfoil-hatted, swivel-eyed brigade of conspiracy nuts: we live in an age in which the legitimacy of democratic elections is routinely and deliberately being undermined by various actors using an increasingly wide range of means.<br /><br />Against that we can posit the attribution of blame for the bias within the whole BritNat meeja machine: are they doing it deliberately in the full awareness of what they are doing, are they under pressure of any kind to do it, or are they doing it out of unconscious bias based on - oh, collective narcissism, anglocentricity, jingoism, a form of xenophobia, a superiority complex - you can call it various things. A rose smells just as sweet under any other name, after all.<br /><br /><br /><br />eddjasfreemanhttp://eddjasfreeman.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-56682952135795628912018-07-26T13:24:23.960+01:002018-07-26T13:24:23.960+01:00GWC2, you are at least one of those two things you...GWC2, you are at least one of those two things yourself. But go on, say what you just said to the next American you meet, preferably where a polis can hear you.eddjasfreemanhttp://eddjasfreeman.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-3963802506093548262018-07-26T10:24:41.359+01:002018-07-26T10:24:41.359+01:00Sorry, what? On what planet could UKIP or even the...Sorry, what? On what planet could UKIP or even the Lib Dems "form a government"?<br /><br />And you may not be aware of this, but the Tories and UKIP are the only parties that stand in all four "British countries", so if that's the rule, poll summaries are going to look a bit bare from now on.James Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01516007141763230886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-74319576825007465442018-07-26T09:57:45.087+01:002018-07-26T09:57:45.087+01:00Hey there, you never did answer my question about ...Hey there, you never did answer my question about what stable end-point you see for "the devolution journey" that isn't independence or subsumption into England.<br /><br />As for why it's anglocentric to leave out the biggest Scottish party, but include parties that are smaller than them, well, that's kinda obvious when I put it that way, isn't it?<br /><br />And if you were serious about not including parties that "could form a government", then you're ignoring the possibility of coalitions. Which is just dumb (and should be arguing for the DUP to be included). And you'd also be arguing for the exclusion of everyone but the red and blue tory parties.Illynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-22533398923291920042018-07-26T07:26:11.855+01:002018-07-26T07:26:11.855+01:00I agree that the SNP should be included with 4% or...I agree that the SNP should be included with 4% or whatever it is.<br /><br />I don’t think it’s Anglocentric to leave them out though, I just think that they’ve decided only to include parties that stand in all the British countries, so parties that could form a government.<br /><br />Not sure what the point of including the Greens at 2% is (is that the English & Welsh Greens or the Scottish Greens too?). You might as well include the English Democrats if you include them!Union 2.0https://www.blogger.com/profile/16006292834539508418noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-6471611465797379002018-07-26T05:34:17.347+01:002018-07-26T05:34:17.347+01:00Stockpile your cereal.Stockpile your cereal.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-73522715924999137282018-07-26T01:59:04.467+01:002018-07-26T01:59:04.467+01:00Palmer you are a Yank and a wank. Stick to your ow...Palmer you are a Yank and a wank. Stick to your own territory.GWC2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-27152840837854410172018-07-26T01:06:54.408+01:002018-07-26T01:06:54.408+01:00As some of you know, I stumbled upon this nifty su...As some of you know, I stumbled upon this nifty sure years ago doing a polling study on why polls were becoming less accurate. As games has pointed out a hundred times now??? These excuses are completely invalid.there is literally no way anyone with actual expertise in polling can believe these excuses.there is also a thing called subset over polling.in the old days, these were done maybe 20% of the time to check the overall poll. Of a qualified pollster actually thinks a sub sample may be inaccurate it INVALiDATES THE ENTIRE POLL! For example, you cannot poll in the upper Midwest on bowling night, parents on back to school night, news on Friday night, Catholics on Sunday morning, you can't poll Liverpool on a Saturday that Liverpool is playing Everton. If you do, you go back and make two sets of calls, one to previous set and one new random. Only if these match do you release. Does anybody seriously think if they are low on responses in the London suburbs they would release a poll showing SNP at 10%? No..they would tell the callers to keep calling until that " bucket " is full. This continued failure of pollsters to actually do their job is very frustrating.has anybody run these thru a news filter random study to see if they are just tweaking the results every few weeks to show change and not actually calling people? Two big USA pollsters did this for years before being caught.BillfromBostonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09399762489266212680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-33952002358506015542018-07-25T22:51:01.755+01:002018-07-25T22:51:01.755+01:00What daes ma heid in is when the Scottish papers j...What daes ma heid in is when the Scottish papers just copy these polls wi nae explanation of the absence of the SNP.<br />That's why the walk-out was so effective. It was impossible to ignore.<br />The Inverness indy rally will keep the pot boiling. Pity there are no elections as we'd be creating our own publicity. ramstamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10764651142754131538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-85885590957227166822018-07-25T22:13:18.525+01:002018-07-25T22:13:18.525+01:00eh so we dont exist then ? i suppose a lot of folk...eh so we dont exist then ? i suppose a lot of folk would wish that like this tory government possibly .Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16494058244386760765noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-76671153186450809762018-07-25T22:11:02.324+01:002018-07-25T22:11:02.324+01:00A new easy to use tactic has been used with some s...A new easy to use tactic has been used with some success for some time , instead of attacking the vile separatists ignore them , or as Thatcher said deprive them of the Oxygen of publicity they need so we had the farcical use of actors saying what the IRA would have said if they had been allowed to say it , i kid you not thats what happened , if it wasnt so far fetched the countries political system would make a good comedy film , or for some a real horror show . Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16494058244386760765noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-49494059562761730562018-07-25T22:08:24.394+01:002018-07-25T22:08:24.394+01:00I agree, but I think the real problem is their ins...I agree, but I think the real problem is their insistence that GB-wide polls are still a good idea. Although most parties are shared between England and Scotland, they often don't fall and rise at the same time. They're already excluding NI - why not exclude Scotland from these polls, too? Thomas Widmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00556092637506486689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-74248421968775094232018-07-25T20:30:37.866+01:002018-07-25T20:30:37.866+01:00What were you expecting? The tactic is to drive ... What were you expecting? The tactic is to drive down the SNP vote by pretending that they can't win/don't exist. Just like the good old days, pre-devolution.<br /> <br /> In other news how can the water off Portobello beach be f*cking freezing after the hottest June and July in recorded history? Also how can the daily rectum possibly get away with claiming a staged photo as showing the bedraggled Nazi fresh from her ankle deep paddle? A clear case of Trumpish news for David Leask to investigateAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com