tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post7581091230414617244..comments2024-03-29T07:48:22.768+00:00Comments on SCOT goes POP!: A worrying change in emphasis?James Kellyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01516007141763230886noreply@blogger.comBlogger50125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-92103986761775899772016-07-17T22:09:29.780+01:002016-07-17T22:09:29.780+01:00We dont have a high deficit 11 billion of the figu...We dont have a high deficit 11 billion of the figure is non-cash items. 2.8 billion of the accounting adjustment isnt spent.ringobrodgarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15622843938908578881noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-12284940417805450942016-07-16T21:31:18.267+01:002016-07-16T21:31:18.267+01:00Good points Joe K.
As a fellow independence supp...Good points Joe K. <br /><br />As a fellow independence supporter I too also don't subscribe to the snp can do no wrong mantra. <br /><br />It's time for the independence movement to be represented by all sides. It badly needs a right of centre representation . Much as it sticks in the throat . There will be plenty time for radical left of centre policies once we are independent . <br /><br />Our time will come by default . <br /><br />I remember when 10% in Edinburgh south was a good result for the cause. The genie was brought out the bottle by labour in 97 and won't ever be going back in.<br /><br />Patience will net us the prize. Meantime enjoy the sideshows and freaks who come on here with their out dated unionist bile. They live in a past of colonies and spear chucker views. <br /><br />Our time is near.Stevenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05913615681978060142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-42292719043214433922016-07-16T10:15:24.749+01:002016-07-16T10:15:24.749+01:00It's a curious habit of the mind that many SNP...It's a curious habit of the mind that many SNP zealots have that they assume any critical thinking about the SNP and the SNPs positioning/leadership/tactics is indicative of being a Unionist. Strange. However, it does confirm my worries about the total lack of pluralism within SNP circles. Groupthink is never a good thing. Honest critics should be the independence movement's greatest asset in our to provide corrective feedback to prevent obvious errors such the currency union gambit.<br /><br />Call me a troll if it makes you feel better. I have supported Scottish independence for my entire adult life but that doesn't mean I signed up for an SNP "can do no wrong" lobotomy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-65768489908346348042016-07-16T10:13:31.754+01:002016-07-16T10:13:31.754+01:00It's a curious habit of the mind that many SNP...It's a curious habit of the mind that many SNP zealots have that they assume any critical thinking about the SNP and the SNPs positioning/leadership/tactics is indicative of being a Unionist. Strange. However, it does confirm my worries about the total lack of pluralism within SNP circles. Groupthink is never a good thing. Honest critics should be the independence movement's greatest asset in our to provide corrective feedback to prevent obvious errors such the currency union gambit.<br /><br />Call me a troll if it makes you feel better. I have supported Scottish independence for my entire adult life but that doesn't mean I signed up for an SNP "can do no wrong" lobotomy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-86771672379691065712016-07-16T03:56:29.386+01:002016-07-16T03:56:29.386+01:00I see your point here, James and you're right ...I see your point here, James and you're right to raise the concern - yet in an almost impossible situation (squaring Brexit with Scotland's will), it seems to me inevitable that a compromise too far and you're lured into accepting the other side's stance (they still wield a surprising amount of tactical battle power even as they are losing the strategic war). But how much does the odd drop of the ball matter when the trends are so crystal clear?punklinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12240834041115584095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-77102045695157199622016-07-15T20:03:02.213+01:002016-07-15T20:03:02.213+01:00We don't know what deals are being offered in ...We don't know what deals are being offered in private. Because Scotland has the potential to throw a major spanner in the UK negotiating position. <br />The EU could threaten to roll out the red carpet for Scotland to remain in Europe, and at the same time, put the dampeners on the UK joining the single market under a Norway style deal. <br />Would Westminster be confident of winning a referendum in these conditions - where the UK represented isolationism ?<br /><br />So what would NS do if the UK government offered some kind of federalism, control of fishing/agriculture and maybe broadcasting or corporation tax thrown in as a sop ?<br />So long as we take the UK side in negotiations to get the best deal.<br /><br />Perhaps some would take the view that independence can best be won in a few years time from a Devo-Max position, rather than right now when we have a high deficit.<br /><br />On the other hand, we may never have a better opportunity - at times of major upset such as this. If the UK is out of the single market, then there are big opportunities to neutralize any economic negatives.<br /><br />We don't know what is going on behind the scenes, or if NS wants to take an all or nothing gamble if a short-term alternative is on the table.Onwardsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-52057689654957964682016-07-15T18:12:46.953+01:002016-07-15T18:12:46.953+01:00Is there a longer game here? I don't wish to ...Is there a longer game here? I don't wish to to be cruel but the overwhelming bias towards UK remainers in those of pensionable age can only really be solved with time. If Brexit means Brexit-lite then it will be much easier for a newly independent Scotland to re-join the EU in, say, 5 years from now. The trade-off is to have a later independence referendum but on much more favourable terms. In the meantime we sit and wait with little material change regarding the EU. The other side of the gamble is that, even with a lower bar for Brexit conditions, we still don't get what we want so call a referendum, perhaps within 12 months from now. The point then would be that we bent over backwards to be accommodating and Westminster still refused. Might be enough to sway that 5% that were needed last time.<br /><br /> TerryEntourehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02588265423949347758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-42619227746501854042016-07-15T17:26:21.484+01:002016-07-15T17:26:21.484+01:00Away and vote for the wreckage of SLAB or Ruthie t...Away and vote for the wreckage of SLAB or Ruthie then pal.<br /><br />Or perhaps even UKIP. ROFLYoons for Unitynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-26646327187082670592016-07-15T17:17:24.361+01:002016-07-15T17:17:24.361+01:00"Dear leader" is a bit of a zoomery term..."Dear leader" is a bit of a zoomery term too, to be fair.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-48204740020652521142016-07-15T16:26:48.408+01:002016-07-15T16:26:48.408+01:00Go figure! Sturgeon is full of bluster in her gran...Go figure! Sturgeon is full of bluster in her grandstanding over the EU. I was shouted down and called a troll by SNP zoomers "Queen 'I love Goldman Sachs' Nicola" of the Progressives. But I called it grandstanding on the 'dear leader's' part and it is. Sturgeon cannot be beyond criticism - she is an unimpressive individual in my view.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-83886911019939388052016-07-15T15:56:12.501+01:002016-07-15T15:56:12.501+01:00And Northern Ireland.
Why it's almost as if M...And Northern Ireland.<br /><br />Why it's almost as if May was a remainer who didn't want to invoke article 50 at all and was looking for an excuse.<br /><br />I'm sure the tory Brexiteers will be very understanding when the penny finally drops.<br /><br />LOLBoris Gump and the Brexitearsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-27846232041161911912016-07-15T15:31:24.739+01:002016-07-15T15:31:24.739+01:00Yes but that isn't strictly true though and se...Yes but that isn't strictly true though and seems to me to be sabre rustling from Europe.<br /><br />If Westminster wanted Scotland/N Ire to remain in Europe, they could see to it that they would, but Westminster would have to give back reserved powers that it currently retains.<br /><br />If Westminster truly respects the union, they will do this, if they do not, then it is curtains.<br /><br />As we know, the EU law is exceedingly wishy washy when it comes to the rights of EU Citizens, if Westminster was to change standing of Scotland/N.Ire then all it would take for them to remain in the EU is for the member states to agree to it.<br /><br />And that would be that. It's why EU people have been saying its a matter for UK to sort out regarding Scotland and N.Ire the power is in Westminsters hands.chalksnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-63341522858509290272016-07-15T15:21:34.767+01:002016-07-15T15:21:34.767+01:00May, in her comments today, has just given Scotlan...May, in her comments today, has just given Scotland a veto on brexit.Dan Huilnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-1283299161156100712016-07-15T15:16:10.256+01:002016-07-15T15:16:10.256+01:00..The poster above is a far-right racist troll from Englandnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-12492692660141767222016-07-15T15:00:31.023+01:002016-07-15T15:00:31.023+01:00Far right Jock Nat si.Far right Jock Nat si.Glasgow Working Class 2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-20635702294221669432016-07-15T14:47:03.089+01:002016-07-15T14:47:03.089+01:00also brain dead too.also brain dead too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-44867978687068890172016-07-15T13:41:03.140+01:002016-07-15T13:41:03.140+01:00No. The EU has indicated that an independent Scotl...No. The EU has indicated that an independent Scotland would be welcome to apply, but Scotland cannot remain whilst a region of the UK. If UK leaves, Scotland leaves.<br /><br />However, if independence takes place during Brexit negotiations whilst the UK is still technically part of the EU we will not have to apply to join as we will also technically be part of the EU.devorgillahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11885637866018093933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-59474737571846639382016-07-15T13:08:18.485+01:002016-07-15T13:08:18.485+01:00May has nothing to offer knickerless. It was a Bri...May has nothing to offer knickerless. It was a British election and we voted out. The Nat sis did not accept that the majority of Scots voted to remain in the UK now they do not accept the will of the British to leave the corrupt EU. We all had to accept the Nat si MP'S going to Westminster and taking our money while sitting on their hands doing FA.<br />The Nat sis are verging on fascism by not accepting democracy.Glasgow Working Class 2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-54650359989511464642016-07-15T12:23:25.516+01:002016-07-15T12:23:25.516+01:00Oh, come on, Brian. I'm talking about comment...Oh, come on, Brian. I'm talking about comments made by our own side.James Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01516007141763230886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-90414142117394131222016-07-15T12:06:53.220+01:002016-07-15T12:06:53.220+01:00Steady there James. We are talking about the pro-u...Steady there James. We are talking about the pro-union media here, not above manipulating the agenda as they see fit. Take the recent case of activist forced to defend themselves against lying about an assault by a Labour MP, as a blatant example. Or the Blow to Surgeon regarding some minister telling her that a separate Scottish deal within the UK is not possible (what is missing is usually more interesting)tamdunlop68https://www.blogger.com/profile/10560526768591869797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-58992414694604835912016-07-15T11:47:16.640+01:002016-07-15T11:47:16.640+01:00At the moment, everything is extremely fluid, and ...At the moment, everything is extremely fluid, and for example, it was only on Monday that we discovered that there wouldn't be Conservative leadership contest. There are reasonable grounds for suspicion that Article 50 will never be activated.<br />Given this, it is smart for Sturgeon to be keeping her options open, allowing the Scottish government to choose the timing for a second referendum. And beware of those in the media trying to sow division, as they were during the elections in May.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-51248978636276766552016-07-15T11:31:34.483+01:002016-07-15T11:31:34.483+01:00It strikes me that Nicola has more to offer May th...It strikes me that Nicola has more to offer May than vice versa. If May will drop her hostility to Scottish independence, she might find she has another string to her bow in the Brexit negotiations with which to placate the 48% if Scotland can be the territorial base for English interests which will lose out after Brexit. Despite our strong differences on the independence issue we are otherwise friendly nations.devorgillahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11885637866018093933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-32734993526367039392016-07-15T11:14:52.220+01:002016-07-15T11:14:52.220+01:00Nicola is only giving them rope..................i...Nicola is only giving them rope..................it will look better when May pulls the plug on Scotland's "equality".<br /> <br />Pity she didn't invite Boris to launch her "Jockalypso".<br />Though Ruthie, with her Barrack Room bluster and humour ( which the media lap up), is a close match to the Blonde One.gavinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-15485528336563173382016-07-15T11:09:48.057+01:002016-07-15T11:09:48.057+01:00Yes, it will be some time after the A50 process is...Yes, it will be some time after the A50 process is started before voters in Scotland will see what is the new alternative to independence. For instance, we could see a federal UK with Greater London, Northern Ireland, Gibraltar, and Scotland staying in and the rest of the UK doing a Greenland (or should that be Iceland?). I introduce this not as a serious discussion point but to illustrate that there may be a solution which does not require ind2.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17720007370018155653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-74400541705270409812016-07-15T11:08:56.302+01:002016-07-15T11:08:56.302+01:00Yes, it will be some time after the A50 process is...Yes, it will be some time after the A50 process is started before voters in Scotland will see what is the new alternative to independence. For instance, we could see a federal UK with Greater London, Northern Ireland, Gibraltar, and Scotland staying in and the rest of the UK doing a Greenland (or should that be Iceland?). I introduce this not as a serious discussion point but to illustrate that there may be a solution which does not require ind2.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17720007370018155653noreply@blogger.com