tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post7167684982652430023..comments2024-03-29T11:42:10.238+00:00Comments on SCOT goes POP!: Let's not rewrite history on the "tactical voting" stuntJames Kellyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01516007141763230886noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-50090983605345380692017-01-15T15:42:19.311+00:002017-01-15T15:42:19.311+00:0015%.15%.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-41014405768453585892017-01-15T13:29:40.289+00:002017-01-15T13:29:40.289+00:00"vote SNP only"
"don't rank Uni..."vote SNP only"<br />"don't rank Unionist candidates"<br /><br />It appears that virtually no one understands how STV works - including commentors on this blog, which has recently and repeatedly set out exactly how it works! What hope is there?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-49159481960141538472017-01-15T08:01:45.041+00:002017-01-15T08:01:45.041+00:00Eat your cereal.Eat your cereal.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-17846361497578002922017-01-14T23:54:04.861+00:002017-01-14T23:54:04.861+00:00Richard Walker did indeed say that, but he was tal...Richard Walker did indeed say that, but he was talking about The National in particular, and saying things like he was about to head-butt the next person that referred to it as "McPravda". So if it is indeed the case that The National never pushed that "second vote indy" lie, then he was well justified.<br /><br />I didn't at the time remember that and whispered to my neighbour that it wasn't the giving of space to the Greens and RISE that was the problem, it was the advocacy of SNP supporters voting for these parties on the list under false pretences that generated the resentment. So I inadvertently maligned Richard - it was the Sunday Herald that was guilty, and we should be having a go at Neil Mackay instead.Rolfehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17849975010197698907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-76936952719257974322017-01-14T23:48:01.297+00:002017-01-14T23:48:01.297+00:00I was also told, in relation to a council by-elect...I was also told, in relation to a council by-election in 2013, that it was SNP policy to vote only SNP and not for any other party. I thought this was daft under the circumstances, because once the SNP candidate (yours truly) was eliminated, as was a racing certainty in that ward, there was the opportunity to influence whether the Tories or the LibDems got the seat. I specifically asked which party our councillors would prefer to win as regards the workings of the council and was told, just vote for yourself, nobody else, it's party policy.<br /><br />Seems daft to me.Rolfehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17849975010197698907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-83107690113920296392017-01-14T21:34:50.620+00:002017-01-14T21:34:50.620+00:00I agree with all of that, apart from the bit about...I agree with all of that, apart from the bit about not giving any preferences at all to unionist candidates. As long as every single non-unionist candidate is ranked higher than every single unionist candidate, there's no harm in giving low preferences to unionists, and in some cases there may be benefits to doing it.James Kellynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-1696286709555250602017-01-14T21:26:56.279+00:002017-01-14T21:26:56.279+00:00Try talking about reversing Tartan Tory Thatcherit...Try talking about reversing Tartan Tory Thatcherite policies instead of talking Nat si shite you fash clone. You must be a well aff middle class shithead that can afford to indulge in fash politics ignoring the less well aff and foodbanks. Enjoy yer gin and tonic.Glasgow Working Class 2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-92121490991409474742017-01-14T21:25:38.512+00:002017-01-14T21:25:38.512+00:00James, in response to this and to your reply above...James, in response to this and to your reply above to the comment by Anonymous:<br />I have a friend who has had a long career in the Labour Party, who told me that because of the STV system and canvas returns, that their computer analysis of the data indicates that while the Labour Party will lose seats, they are not likely to lose as many as they would under other voting systems and thereby will be in the position of entering coalitions to form the executive of many councils. This person is a decent, sincere and public-spirited person who is loyal to an ideal of the Labour Party.<br />You have made pretty valid points in your two responses about the best approach to dealing with STV. It is important to point out that those who wish SNP or Green, or RISE, to have the best chance of winning seats, that they have to rank their preferences carefully and to give no preferences, however low, to unionist candidates. So, for example, if SNP and Greens each put forward four candidates in a ward, then all SNP supporters should give SNP candidate A first preference, candidate B second, C third, D fourth, Green/RISE A fifth etc, to Green/RISE D eighth. All Green/RISE supporters should vote the other way round. It is therefore important for SNP, Greens, RISE to indicate to potential supporters what their candidate order is and to make explicit how the system operates.Alasdairhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07470283131056673377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-77688642824462769262017-01-14T21:11:10.643+00:002017-01-14T21:11:10.643+00:00I want to feed the troll............but I won'...I want to feed the troll............but I won't.Bill Hume.https://www.blogger.com/profile/17502709042623139150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-46018988529924200492017-01-14T20:51:53.280+00:002017-01-14T20:51:53.280+00:00I am sure you Nat sis know or should that local el...I am sure you Nat sis know or should that local elections are about delivery of local services and payment for such services. Would the Nat sis if elected improve the service? Would they increase council tax to improve and maintain services? Or would they just be uncomplaining adherents to the Nat si fash Gov.Glasgow Working Class 2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-86210294766812914832017-01-14T20:13:26.774+00:002017-01-14T20:13:26.774+00:00Absolutely. If the SNP are worried about anything...Absolutely. If the SNP are worried about anything, I would imagine it might be people not noticing how many SNP candidates there are in the ward, and accidentally failing to give one of them a preference. But as long as people check the ballot paper carefully, there's no risk to using lower preferences on other pro-indy parties.James Kellynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-15028077704462264282017-01-14T20:12:36.527+00:002017-01-14T20:12:36.527+00:00Meanwhile in another place. That demented baggage...Meanwhile in another place. That demented baggage of a feminazi, K Strickland is in a frothing rage about how evil men are because a female reviewer didn't care for a book written by a woman. They make DJT look sane.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-19523087891854850802017-01-14T20:07:45.269+00:002017-01-14T20:07:45.269+00:00James, that last comment's interesting, bearin...James, that last comment's interesting, bearing in mind that I had an SNP canvasser at the door today saying "SNP 1 and 2, and nothing else". I'd been under the impression that I was safe to give subsequent preferences to (for example) the Greens, since those preferences would count only in the event of one or both SNP candidates being eliminated. Your comment suggests that not only would it be safe, but that it could be vital. Is that right? William Duguidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09845512518700617842noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-13930789372356320202017-01-14T19:18:07.495+00:002017-01-14T19:18:07.495+00:00There's no problem with tactical voting under ...There's no problem with tactical voting under STV - although tactical voting isn't really the correct term, because it's a straightforward preferential voting system. I agree with you that unionist parties will be getting lots of transfers from other unionist parties, which makes it all the more important that there are transfers on the pro-independence side to offset that.James Kellynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-38811316876202484682017-01-14T19:07:40.534+00:002017-01-14T19:07:40.534+00:00That Sunday Herald weekend is, I believe, a major ...That Sunday Herald weekend is, I believe, a major factor in its decline of sales. I haven't bought it since then. Essentially the SH's stance gave succour to the britnats.Dan Huilnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-41347380310125117472017-01-14T18:59:40.676+00:002017-01-14T18:59:40.676+00:00I suspect we will hear exactly the same tactical v...I suspect we will hear exactly the same tactical voting nonsense being peddled for the council elections as well. The problem is that the SNP will really struggle in a lot of Councils to win a majority. If SNP candidates don't make the quota where do the additional vote Preferences come from? I suggest the limited addtional rankings from Green and others votes in most seats will be unlikely to push the SNP candidates over the line. Mean while Unionist parties have already started talking about pushing tactical voting pacts. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-72169132080575267992017-01-14T18:33:35.530+00:002017-01-14T18:33:35.530+00:00Completely different voting system in the locals, ...Completely different voting system in the locals, where there's the opportunity to give lower preferences to other pro-indy parties without any risk of harming the SNP at all.James Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01516007141763230886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-14841397715763026032017-01-14T18:30:57.255+00:002017-01-14T18:30:57.255+00:00At the end of the day - having toyed with idea of ...At the end of the day - having toyed with idea of giving my second vote to the Greens and changing my mind when Lucas voted against the SNP in Westminster in the FFA vote - I went #BothVotesSNP. It made sense - if you want the SNP, and you have 2 votes, then give them both to the SNP. It just took me a while to see it with clarity. <br />It's the message I'll be giving for the May L.A. elections.Molly's Mumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14758934436580384661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-39019833968939919182017-01-14T18:01:33.023+00:002017-01-14T18:01:33.023+00:00It's the post truth world remember. Any lie ...It's the post truth world remember. Any lie will do as long as you have the power to broadcast it.<br /><br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com