tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post6799227693485426205..comments2024-03-29T14:36:16.681+00:00Comments on SCOT goes POP!: Cameron's "it's all over" narrative falls apart as 60% of the Scottish electorate demand another independence referendum - and 48% want it within just TEN YEARSJames Kellyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01516007141763230886noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-26469989885496987572014-11-17T17:51:55.429+00:002014-11-17T17:51:55.429+00:00"the results are nothing short of catastrophi...<i>"the results are nothing short of catastrophic for the narrative of "it's over, it was decisive, for heaven's sake let's all move on" that he and his spiritual overlord Mr Cameron (along with the rest of the London political and media establishment) have been trying to pedal for the last two months."</i><br /><br />Indeed. It's been laugh out loud funny watching out of touch westminster bubble twits desperately trying to spin the poll as a 'triumph' for the unionist parties and failing badly.<br /><br />Even more hilarious are the witless fools shrieking that it doesn't matter because westminster can somehow stop another referendum. They clearly aren't bright enough to grasp that the precedent has now very decisively been set. When the scottish public want another referendum then that is precisely what they will get. No amount of petulant foot stamping from terrified unionist leaders and their clueless lackeys can stop it.<br /><br />Meanwhile back in the real world in scotland the SNP conference was an incredible success and absolutely packed out. (From what I hear from applications they could have filled out the concert hall in Perth twice, the new members are that eager and fired up) The local branches are all moving up a gear and the meetings, fundraisers, and planning for 2015 are taking place up and down scotland right now.<br /><br />Also of note is this.<br /><br /><i>THE SCOTTISH 45% @ScottishPleb · 6h <br /><br />Alex Salmond to auction off £1000s worth of gifts he received as FM, to aid three charities close to his heart http://mirr.im/1sXoeWG<br /><br /> Mr Bradley @niallbtwit · 2h<br /><br />.@Cllr_McEleny I wonder if any of Scotland's top journalists will blog about this #ThanksAlex http://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/news/local/alex-salmond-donates-first-minister-pension-to-children-s-charity-1.687170 …</i><br /><br />Perhaps there's a reason that Alex and Nicola are the two most popular politicians in the UK while the out of touch westminster bubble twits are so despised by the public.Mick Porknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-86671964737702873982014-11-17T15:37:02.663+00:002014-11-17T15:37:02.663+00:00If the Daily Record wants to pay for polls then fi...If the Daily Record wants to pay for polls then fine, but otherwise, as its biased reading of the latest poll proves, it is a joke of a newspaper and should be boycotted.<br />Hopefully it will not be long until the DR goes bust - along with The Scotsman. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-34227107058279490482014-11-17T15:21:26.715+00:002014-11-17T15:21:26.715+00:00Did it seem like internal Labour polling or was th...Did it seem like internal Labour polling or was there more to it than that?Alistair Huttonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11260532985263054617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-77679101427550069962014-11-17T14:57:51.948+00:002014-11-17T14:57:51.948+00:00If Scotland votes to stay in the Eu and Ruk decide...If Scotland votes to stay in the Eu and Ruk decides to exit as far as I'm concerned that's a mandate to declare UDI. No need for another referendum.Maybolebuddiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15776630416742473684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-61403477514718980352014-11-17T14:44:21.136+00:002014-11-17T14:44:21.136+00:00Heady stuff, but there's still more than five ...Heady stuff, but there's still more than five months to go. Call me a pessimist, but I can't see that sort of lead being maintained right up to polling day. Not with the BBC in full-blown "vote unionist" mode, and the inevitable exclusion of all dissenting voices from the airwaves.Rolfehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17849975010197698907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-86615223393316098512014-11-17T13:56:17.685+00:002014-11-17T13:56:17.685+00:00There's a nice offer at Ladbrokes for the numb...There's a nice offer at Ladbrokes for the number of SNP seats at the General Election next May.<br />31+ is 3/1 for a maximum of £33.33.<br /><br />[url=http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/next-uk-general-election/total-seats-snp-banded]http://www.oddschecker.com/pol...tal-seats-snp-banded[/url]<br /><br />The Electoral Calculus website is forecasting SNP getting 47 seats <br /><br /> [url=http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/cgi-bin/usercode.pl?CON=15.44&LAB=26.61&LIB=5.52&NAT=43.48&region=AllScotland&boundary=2010&seat=All+Scotland+seats+majority-sorted]http://www.electoralcalculus.c...eats+majority-sorted[/url]<br /><br />I was told by Alex Salmond an hour ago that there's an opinion poll coming out tomorrow giving the SNP 50% in Scotland. Putting that in to Electoral Calculus gives a forecast of 51 seats. <br /><br />[url=http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/cgi-bin/usercode.pl?CON=15&LAB=26&LIB=5&NAT=50&region=AllScotland&boundary=2010&seat=All+Scotland+seats+majority-sorted]http://www.electoralcalculus.c...eats+majority-sorted[/url]bobmiddnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-92152455066894852412014-11-17T13:20:44.115+00:002014-11-17T13:20:44.115+00:00I've always believed that there's a hardco...I've always believed that there's a hardcore 25-30% support for the Union. That's the strong Brit-Jock, hardcore Rangers fans, white settler vote.<br /><br />I think 15 and 16 is too early though. In the meantime fight for further devolution - real devo. We all know they will not give anything as such and Smith will give us a series of small powers. We've already had a few big business leaders not wishing any form of Devo Max although they never wanted a parliament in 97 or it to have tax raising powers.<br /><br />Then it'll get interesting. SNP work with what they have, but can't bring powerful change to Scotland without these new powers. I have a feeling that if in 2015 (and they win in Scotland) yet a trickle of powers are offered yet nothing meaningful. We'll see another referendum in their 2016 manifesto, this time for Devo Max.<br />Kevinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-51273256030347282342014-11-17T12:44:50.632+00:002014-11-17T12:44:50.632+00:00From the poll of polls this Survation poll strongl...From the poll of polls this Survation poll strongly suggests that half of the 27% who now support Labour want another independence referendum.<br /><br />Labour are even failing to convince its dwindling number of supporters of its 'business as usual' stance over devolution. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-58937703848407018692014-11-17T11:53:19.567+00:002014-11-17T11:53:19.567+00:0028% is roughly what the tories and labour hardcore...28% is roughly what the tories and labour hardcore unionist support is...chalksnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-76187049296025512752014-11-17T11:11:44.062+00:002014-11-17T11:11:44.062+00:00I wonder what the profile of the 28% looks like.
...I wonder what the profile of the 28% looks like.<br /><br />I'd be willing to guess that a fair number of them are older people still concerned about the pension lies they were fed; the seriously rich worried that Scotland wouldn't turn so many blind eyes to tax avoidance/evasion or English nationals not wishing to live in a "foreign" country.<br /><br />I wonder how that fits in with the Record's reader profile.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-86744684398373130712014-11-17T07:46:33.180+00:002014-11-17T07:46:33.180+00:00I did a fairly in-depth online one with Populous o...I did a fairly in-depth online one with Populous on Scottish issues last night - lots of focus on Scottish Labour, some on next ref, etc. I presume a full Scottish sample as there was little of interest for the rUK.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-86839275800370454802014-11-17T03:45:37.869+00:002014-11-17T03:45:37.869+00:00Yet with the same data Clegg at the Record led wi...Yet with the same data Clegg at the Record led with a quarter do not want an indy ref and did not add those that did together as they made up a clear majority. There will always be 25% of people in Scotland who want things to stay as they are. Luckily there are 75% who are more flexible.<br />The anti English rhetoric worked on some, as most English in Scotland voted to stay part of UK instead of embracing their new country of residence. Those that voted YES were looked on quizzically by the MSM as if they were doing something they should be guilty about.<br />The Daily Record clearly wants to carry on stating NO was justified instead of issuing a "we wuz robbed" mea culpa after Cam and Miliband ignored our Gordon's pleas to be taken seriously. UKIP/Tory vote makes up about 25% of Scotland and they will never want change. Problem for Clegg at the Record is most Labour voters want some change, if not a complete overhaul. Strangely that aspect did not enter his article.Rob McNaughtonnoreply@blogger.com