tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post6261663340377940890..comments2024-03-29T00:45:59.964+00:00Comments on SCOT goes POP!: Plan A is dead, long live Plan BJames Kellyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01516007141763230886noreply@blogger.comBlogger116125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-14839805908376105272020-06-29T09:29:00.441+01:002020-06-29T09:29:00.441+01:00Ds2, ok thanks, and I agree we should use every le...Ds2, ok thanks, and I agree we should use every lever we have to get rid of as many British MSPs as possible.Please Release Me.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03079570201627889364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-79047547348246800972020-06-29T00:42:08.596+01:002020-06-29T00:42:08.596+01:00Grizebard - " in an ensuing referendum" ...Grizebard - " in an ensuing referendum" - pray tell when and how this is going to happen. <br /><br />When a Britnat in Westminster believes in democracy for Scotland and agrees a sect 30?ScottytheScotinScotlandnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-66973368145189363822020-06-28T23:16:01.515+01:002020-06-28T23:16:01.515+01:00Violence is not required on you just sympathy and ...Violence is not required on you just sympathy and a wee holiday in Clacton on Sea.GWCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-5464026294552236972020-06-28T22:46:19.211+01:002020-06-28T22:46:19.211+01:00There are no Britnat parties in Holyrood. You have...There are no Britnat parties in Holyrood. You have still to arrive on EarthGWCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-78000647189166380372020-06-28T22:06:20.232+01:002020-06-28T22:06:20.232+01:00Scottish Skier - "Westminster can overrule it...Scottish Skier - "Westminster can overrule it doesn't detract from the fairness of the electoral mechanism" - now these types of statements really are getting ridiculous.<br /><br />So the Britnat parties, voted in as a minority in Holyrood, can get their Britnat colleagues in Westminster to overrule and you don't see anything wrong with the "mechanism". Truly head in the sand nonsense you are posting.<br /><br />This is my last comment on the matter. With independence supporters like you we will still be waiting for Nicola Sturgeon to tell us when the time is right when mankind is on planet Mars.Independence for Scotlandnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-68186609043591443792020-06-28T21:57:21.438+01:002020-06-28T21:57:21.438+01:00Skier, if the UK is not democratic then you have n...Skier, if the UK is not democratic then you have no alternative but to turn to armed struggle against the UK fascists.GWCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-32288277783940527992020-06-28T21:51:58.681+01:002020-06-28T21:51:58.681+01:00The best thing aboot borrheid is the last train fa...The best thing aboot borrheid is the last train fae Glesga Central.GWCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-3288052135363888172020-06-28T21:51:53.375+01:002020-06-28T21:51:53.375+01:00Some of the commentators on here remind me of the ...Some of the commentators on here remind me of the Matrix film franchise. <br /><br />They think they are living in a democracy but of course it is only an illusion created by their masters in Westminster and it has been running for 313 years maintained by propaganda, collaborators, money and, failing the above, violence. If they do not wake up it will run for a lot longer.Independence for Scotlandnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-56502994109855829182020-06-28T21:48:37.560+01:002020-06-28T21:48:37.560+01:00We Unionists will have your head in the sewer soon...We Unionists will have your head in the sewer soon enough Scottyersegob along with your IRA mob.GWCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-82743069170050239472020-06-28T21:47:03.845+01:002020-06-28T21:47:03.845+01:00I'm quite aware that the UK isn't democrat...I'm quite aware that the UK isn't democratic.<br /><br />However, our MSPs do reflect the will of the people. Holyrood elections are democratic.<br /><br />The fact the powers of Holyrood are constrained and Westminster can overrule it doesn't detract from the fairness of the electoral mechanism.<br /><br />Let's say we all cheat the system and get like 75% pro-indy party MSPs on ~50% of the vote. Indy is achieved. Do all the ISP MSPs step down immediately? Scotland has got independence. Holyrood is now democratic, and being a 'cheat' MSP is not justified any more based on your logic.<br /><br />So will all ISP MSPs step down immediately upon indy? Otherwise Scotland will be reborn as a British-esque electoral dictatorship.Scottish Skierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10584099659760612109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-12711192566770635912020-06-28T21:45:39.598+01:002020-06-28T21:45:39.598+01:00Re list votes..sadly I'm not IT literate enou...Re list votes..sadly I'm not IT literate enough to bring files from one blog to another.however hopefully some clever clog can go to barrhead boys twitter and retrieve it..I'm sure he wont mind.you cant miss it it's called hollyrood 2021 the list vote.be good if others could pass it around.think the more people see it the more they will realise what can be done using the voting tools given to us by westminster.not cheating gaming or abusing the system but using the legal parliamentary voting system given to the scottish parliment to elect the msps democratically I would recommend barrheadboy blog it's really good for independence stuff.Ds2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-31175628078068064032020-06-28T21:38:25.920+01:002020-06-28T21:38:25.920+01:00If majority mandates reflecting the will of the pe...If majority mandates reflecting the will of the people can simply be ignored by Westminster, how will zero mandate because the parliament doesn't democratically represent the will of the people be any better? Do you think they'll go 'Well, you cheated the system very much like we do! Good on you old chap, here's your Section 30'.<br /><br />If they won't give one on a fair result, they're hardly going to give on an unfair outcome.<br /><br />You think it's naive to believe this?Scottish Skierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10584099659760612109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-24129039408261160102020-06-28T21:37:16.674+01:002020-06-28T21:37:16.674+01:00Hairy Mary - there is no bank called Lloyds TSB an...Hairy Mary - there is no bank called Lloyds TSB and hasn't been for years but there are plenty of Britnat turds like GWC in stinking sewers.ScottytheScotinScotlandnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-29632497897836626772020-06-28T21:27:50.588+01:002020-06-28T21:27:50.588+01:00Scottish Skier - "Its London that isn't d...Scottish Skier - "Its London that isn't democratic." - well no shit - that's what I have been saying. London controls everything in the UK including Holyrood - therefore Holyrood is not part of a democratic system. It is simply nonsense to take Holyrood as if it stands as a parliament of an INDEPENDENT nation. It does not therefore matter what type of method it uses to elect MSPs it is not part of a democratic system ergo not democratic and you are wrong.<br /><br />All your other concerns are pointless - Westminster will NEVER agree to another referendum unless it has safeguards that make independence impossible - therefore a waste of time and undemocratic.<br /><br />"Cheat our own system" - our own system - it has never been our own system. It is London controlled.<br /><br />PS so why do the Scotgov give money to the billionaire press that is anti independence - part of a master plan that only some can understand is it.Independence for Scotlandnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-26544301224336391992020-06-28T21:25:27.113+01:002020-06-28T21:25:27.113+01:00GWC could get a part in a Lloyds TSB ad.GWC could get a part in a Lloyds TSB ad.Hairy Marynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-76266406143960719982020-06-28T21:15:17.572+01:002020-06-28T21:15:17.572+01:00Absolutely! (Independence for Scotland @ 9:10)
br...Absolutely! (Independence for Scotland @ 9:10)<br /><br />braco<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-41996074100450791432020-06-28T21:10:58.834+01:002020-06-28T21:10:58.834+01:00'You can win a war by taking the moral high gr...'You can win a war by taking the moral high ground. It is possible to win without becoming the evil that is your enemy.' <br />- I never said you BECOME the evil that is your enemy! But you must be willing to fight, and fight fire with fire if necessary, to overcome the evil you face. Only then, after victory, can you develop a society free of that constant threat from the aggressor. <br />Ask the Irish what atrocities were really required to counter the British atrocities perpetrated. <br /><br />'I understand the man who said the quote I used was instrumental in winning independence for his country from the British empire by peaceful means.' - Indian independence was NOT won by peaceful means alone and you are a dangerous naive if you choose to believe it was. <br /><br />Scotland has no democratic system, when parliamentary majority mandates can be simply ignored by the legislature of another country's electorate. That is exactly what you happily bang on about over and over in the most pathetic manner, calling Westminster racist against the Scots... It's NOT racism, it's imperialism, and imperialism for those outside the 'mother country' means Zero Democracy. <br /><br />Kid on you live in a Scottish democracy if you like, but only GWC and his like will recognise the kind of democracy you are talking about. The kind of British democracy where Scots get to vote for whatever they like in Scotland, because the Westminster power will just ignore it and do exactly what their real, English=British 40% 'democratic' mandate dictates they must do.<br /><br />That's the reality Skier and your glib, turn the other cheek, moral high ground bull won't butter any nips. We are asking for a realistic way forward - and answers, so far, there are none... :(<br /><br />braco Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-36503663370689804442020-06-28T21:10:08.153+01:002020-06-28T21:10:08.153+01:00Scottish Skier - "But our own PR Parliament?...Scottish Skier - "But our own PR Parliament? ". - now I can see you have truly taken in by the Britnat con trick that somehow we have democracy in Scotland.<br /><br />It is a devolved Britnat parliament to try and maintain the illusion of democracy in the UK. <br /><br />1. There are more London controlled parties in the Scottish parliament than Scottish parties but you say it is our own Parliament.<br /><br />2. Westminster removes powers from Holyrood when it wants to but you say it is our own Parliament.<br /><br />Power devolved is power retained.Independence for Scotlandnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-19081029777504822522020-06-28T21:05:10.520+01:002020-06-28T21:05:10.520+01:00Still do not get why an Irishman like you Skier ar...Still do not get why an Irishman like you Skier are so pedantic about Brit Scot affairs. I note your Sinn Fein IRA criminal friends have been kicked into touch in the Republic.GWCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-68343737395786616822020-06-28T19:56:57.561+01:002020-06-28T19:56:57.561+01:00Yes, I've often complained how Britain glorifi...Yes, I've often complained how Britain glorifies the war when it was a bloodthirsty empire which had much of the world under its own jackboot at the time. I don't see your point. Mine was clear enough.<br /><br />You can win a war by taking the moral high ground. It is possible to win without becoming the evil that is your enemy.<br /><br />I understand the man who said the quote I used was instrumental in winning independence for his country from the British empire by peaceful means.<br /><br />And legal does not equal correct. It was legal to gas the Jews in WW2 Germany.<br /><br />But I still fail to see how making Scotland an undemocratic country with a government which doesn't represent its people is something we should be striving for.<br /><br />I know people who support the union (and some might yet be persuaded to yes). Should I try to sneakily deny them representation in parliament? That's hardly going to win hearts and minds. Is that who I want to be? Who would I be hurting exactly? My own countryfolk...friends and colleagues. Not London anyway.<br /><br />Is the brave new Scotland one where its government will represent its people or not? I thought that was the idea of independence. <br /><br />I don't mind using devious means to disrupt Westminster and try to block it like it blocks a Section 30. After all, it isn't democratic. So I smile when the SNP kick out unionist after unionist under FPTP by the unionists own system. But our own PR parliament?<br /><br />Remember, while Westminster created the buildings and the powers it has, the parliament is ultimately the people we elect and they do represent Scots very fairly. <br /><br />If people succeeded in cheating the system, it would no longer represent us. It would just become another Westminster.<br /><br />An ISP could have merit for various reasons, including challenging the SNP and trying to win over more No voters, e.g. from the centre right. But to simply cheat the system? No thanks.<br /><br />I await a manifesto from the ISP, to which I will give due consideration. Scottish Skierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10584099659760612109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-40818543741912392072020-06-28T19:40:44.460+01:002020-06-28T19:40:44.460+01:00Though I am not sure about ISP and their offering ...Though I am not sure about ISP and their offering - just the principle...<br /><br />bracoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-924625136328942982020-06-28T19:25:16.681+01:002020-06-28T19:25:16.681+01:00Exactly Ds2!
bracoExactly Ds2!<br /><br />bracoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-52235474060921125802020-06-28T19:23:09.762+01:002020-06-28T19:23:09.762+01:00Ds2 at 4:00,
Absolutely, but every time I say som...Ds2 at 4:00,<br /><br />Absolutely, but every time I say something on here, along those lines, Scott goes Pop and my post disappears.<br /><br />Could you post Barrheadboy's presentation on here? ta.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Please Release Me.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03079570201627889364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-21885840861502142112020-06-28T19:12:36.380+01:002020-06-28T19:12:36.380+01:00'I should defeat fascists by gassing the jews ...'I should defeat fascists by gassing the jews and intentionally slaughtering civilians? <br /><br />No thanks.'<br /><br />Allies did not help the Jews when they knew about what was happening and they fire bombed and Nuclear bombed their way through the enemy civilian populations through out the war. This IS reprehensible in any normal situation but during an all out war that MUST be won to allow a world where such atrocities are not allowed, then leadership sold their souls and prioritised victory by being more savage and more determined to win than their most savage opponents. Should they have kept the moral high ground and lost the war? <br /><br />A fight will always deteriorate into as vicious a situation as your opponent is willing to take it. You either out vicious them to win or you accept their viciousness from that point onward and get used to it as the new default for you. This is just fact Skier. Horrible but true.<br /><br />This is the democratic scenario we are in when it comes to British 'democracy'. We either fight for independence with EVERY legal means available to us or we cling to an imaginary democratic high ground and get ourselves used to defeat, because our opponent will always rig their 'democracy' against us. How many mandates can be denied before you see that there is no UK democracy that allows for constitutional change for Scotland? <br /><br />'An eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind' is what a wise man once said and is what I believe in.' - I am sure that makes you feel morally superior and warm inside, but of course it is glib nonsense that changes none of the actual realities of politics and power faced in the real world.<br /><br />bracoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-21524101568972893592020-06-28T18:48:21.399+01:002020-06-28T18:48:21.399+01:00The MSPs we elect to Holyrood broadly reflect how ...The MSPs we elect to Holyrood broadly reflect how people voted. It's very close to PR as it's intended to be, ergo democratic.<br /><br />It's London that isn't democratic, but I can't see how trying to cheat our own system fixes that. All London would do is say 'Look, Holyrood doesn't represent the people any more so we don't think an iref is justified'. The international community would think the same.<br /><br />What's been achieved then? Some unionists out of a job and independence put back years.<br /><br />Forgive me, but I'll vote for the party offering policies I want. <br /><br />I await the ISP manifesto detailing these. Scottish Skierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10584099659760612109noreply@blogger.com