tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post6192746768703543134..comments2024-03-29T05:53:21.060+00:00Comments on SCOT goes POP!: Now is the time to act (again) : make your own submission to the Smith CommissionJames Kellyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01516007141763230886noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-53009313429636141922014-10-16T15:23:29.100+01:002014-10-16T15:23:29.100+01:00Hi, Justin, no, the 25% figure is 25% of No voters...Hi, Justin, no, the 25% figure is 25% of No voters (ie. 25% of the 55%) rather than 25% of the entire electorate.James Kellynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-2352783787378401432014-10-16T15:13:34.983+01:002014-10-16T15:13:34.983+01:00very late to this one, but just putting together a...very late to this one, but just putting together a Smith submission and think you meant 69% not 59% when you said "this means that a grand total of 59% of people were consciously voting in favour of either full sovereign independence or Devo Max (or indeed "Devo SUPER Max")."Justin Kenrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05371269693334856586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-39765297692033150822014-10-10T16:47:51.531+01:002014-10-10T16:47:51.531+01:00Sorry Mick, missed your other post, I'm quite ...Sorry Mick, missed your other post, I'm quite happy pushing for Devo Max, was always a gradualist.<br /><br />chalksnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-33994422428542153802014-10-10T16:42:57.050+01:002014-10-10T16:42:57.050+01:00I'll have no trouble at all in being absolutel...I'll have no trouble at all in being absolutely excoriating about the out of touch westminster twits in 2015 nor will the SNP.<br /><br /><i>BUT</i>, I saw first hand how these rat bastards operate with an actual scottish Labour MP spreading lies about taking bus passes off the elderly if it was a Yes. He was also caught lying to the mother of a sick child who told us tearfully at the Yes stall he had repeated the same bullshit lies about transplants that the arsehole Brown did.<br /><br />So I know what I <i>won't</i> do. Happily I won't need to lie like they did because the truth will be ferocious enough to damn them utterly. (needless to say that 'scottish' Labour MP is going to 'enjoy' a <i>great deal</i> of activist attention come 2015.) :-DMick Porknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-90898837183299422472014-10-10T16:33:15.847+01:002014-10-10T16:33:15.847+01:00A very timely post Marcia. :-)
Very interesting i...A very timely post Marcia. :-)<br /><br />Very interesting indeed and seems to get it just about bang on to me. Well worth a read.Mick Porknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-17219761186292536412014-10-10T16:30:02.782+01:002014-10-10T16:30:02.782+01:00I agree Mick, just some on the Yes side of things ...I agree Mick, just some on the Yes side of things seem to think it's a foregone conclusion.<br /><br />It took us how long to get a referendum in the first place?<br /><br />I don't want these wishy washy yes people to lead us down their road of positivity when there is nothing to be positive about with the 2015 election.<br /><br />chalksnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-24892119903563471522014-10-10T16:28:16.696+01:002014-10-10T16:28:16.696+01:00Chalks, I also understand completely why there are...Chalks, I also understand completely why there are some from Yes who are at the very least nervous or anxious over Independence getting put on a back burner. They may even think that the SNP are somehow quite happy to coast along as a party of power while Independence takes a back seat.<br /><br />Nothing could be further from the truth.<br /><br />Nicola certainly isn't in this for a few more powers any more than Alex was. The SNP wants Independence and always will. It's what I am fighting for and the same goes for all those I know from Yes and the SNP. When it is feasible there will be that push for Independence but you do what you can with what you have and that means right now we push for more powers and hammer into the westminster twits. <br /><br />Politics is the art of the possible. It's still scotland's voters who will get to choose what happens next and choose they will.Mick Porknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-91207093823898168302014-10-10T16:13:22.891+01:002014-10-10T16:13:22.891+01:00"Don't fall for the same trap, we have to...<i>"Don't fall for the same trap, we have to take the gloves off and hammer into them."</i><br /><br />I think I'll let my own record speak for itself when it comes to taking the gloves off and hammering into them. Though I'm fairly sure James is chuckling when he recalls how I dealt with the racists and bigots on Stormfront Lite/PB.<br /><br /><i>"Enough positivity bullshit, they want a turf war, fine, we have more activists. It's easier to be negative and now is the time"</i> <br /><br />So it will indeed be. There is no question <i>whatsoever</i> of going easy on these westminster twits simply because we have to try and fight for more powers as well.<br /><br />Be clear about the positivity though. I too think there were big mistakes from Yes in that department but there must always be a positive message alongside the negative. We didn't get that kind of astonishing grass roots movement just by being negative. However, we also underestimated how blatant the bias of the media would be in ignoring that positive message which rendered so much of it pointless. That mistake won't be made the next time.<br /><br />We also get no prizes at all should we be in opposition or a minority and in no position to do anything. We learned that lesson the hard way over decades.Mick Porknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-38850022372910825412014-10-10T16:11:10.987+01:002014-10-10T16:11:10.987+01:00That's because he is enjoying spending his rew...That's because he is enjoying spending his reward.Jutemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11061671774494923407noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-9358465387399652192014-10-10T16:09:55.854+01:002014-10-10T16:09:55.854+01:00Agree.
No more mr nice guy.Agree.<br />No more mr nice guy.Jutemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11061671774494923407noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-29640044461072704512014-10-10T16:04:58.547+01:002014-10-10T16:04:58.547+01:00Since the NO vote
George Galloway has said zilch ...Since the NO vote<br /><br />George Galloway has said zilch on super devo maxwaterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03242753707412340371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-83742026634834423692014-10-10T15:47:42.828+01:002014-10-10T15:47:42.828+01:00Mick, it's not being negative and I feel if Ye...Mick, it's not being negative and I feel if Yes Scotland had adopted a realistic approach we wouldn't be in this fkn mess.<br /><br />Don't fall for the same trap, we have to take the gloves off and hammer into them. Enough positivity bullshit, they want a turf war, fine, we have more activists. It's easier to be negative and now is the time if a UKIP surge and lurch to the right from all mainstream parties is what is happening.<br /><br />We haven't won anything yet, the prize is independence not a majority in the Scottish Parliament.chalksnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-66186322665779510852014-10-10T15:30:00.132+01:002014-10-10T15:30:00.132+01:00"it's not as easy as having 80,000 member...<i>"it's not as easy as having 80,000 members, still lots and lots of work to do in order to convince these no voters that the best bet is the SNP for more powers."</i><br /><br />Nothing easy about getting those 80,000. It took the most incredible and dedicated grassroots campaign ever seen in scotland to fire up all the new members. It also took many, many decades to build up to where we could even run that kind of campaign in the first place. I'm more than happy to put in the hard work to try and ensure the best possible result in 2015 and 2016. Nor will I be alone quite obviously.<br /><br /><br /><br /><i>"I'd be delighted with 20 seats, I think that is doable, but only if they continue with Ed Miliband, which I am not sure if they will."</i><br /><br />They don't have a choice. Brother David pissed off to more 'lucrative' jobs in the U.S. The Blairites can and probably will start attacking little Ed again but if labour wouldn't boot out Brown with ministers fighting it out in public they sure as hell won't ditch little Ed with mere months to go. There is no natural successor and if anything most of the possible replacements look about as out of touch as little Ed is. That's the price labour have to pay for overpromoting so many policy wonks and oxbridge twits during the Blair and Brown years. (which little Ed has of course continued as he is as clueless as he looks)<br /><br /><br /><i>"We haven't won anything yet"</i><br /><br />Last I checked the SNP are still the majority government in Holyrood after a landslide (a feat which was deemed impossible by 'scottish' labour) we'd also won the Euro elections and the local elections in scotland. Sure, we lost the first referendum, but the price the unionist parties are going to have to pay will be as great as the media who will now have 45% of scots ready to distrust almost anything they say from now on.<br /><br /><i>"and are now playing for time over the new powers."</i><br /><br />Time they don't have. If they continually obfuscate and delay over powers then there is only one possible winner in that scenario and it sure ain't the No parties.<br /><br /><i>"Remember quite a lot of no voters don't really care if we get no powers as they don't even understand the purpose of the Scottish Government and what powers it currently has."</i><br /><br />They'll understand when the continuing shambles at westmisnter keeps making an unholy mess of everything and we can point to each and every one of the powers that we require to stop the out of touch twits from doing so. Certainly, we can't count on the westminster bubble media like the BBC to do so but that would be why we and the other Yes parties keep the grassroots going and strong.<br /><br /><i>" I'd rather not count our chickens before they have hatched."</i><br /><br />Fair enough. I'd rather not be negative when it is crystal clear that the ones who are being punished for decades of complacency are the westminster bubble parties. Nor have they much chance of turning it around since I do actually remember all the other handwringing, "root and branch" reforms and kneejerk responses from the last times they were in deep trouble. <br /><br />It's not just that they don't want to change (they are making out like bandits with their westminster expenses and 11% pay rise after all) they simply don't have a clue how to change. Mick Porknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-22291988076609340762014-10-10T15:12:31.485+01:002014-10-10T15:12:31.485+01:00Populus:
44% SNP
26% Lab
15% Con
9% Lib
4% UKIP
...Populus:<br /><br />44% SNP<br />26% Lab<br />15% Con<br />9% Lib<br />4% UKIP<br /><br />4% SNP UK-wide.Scottish_Skiernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-18701686330668250772014-10-10T13:22:20.841+01:002014-10-10T13:22:20.841+01:00Just saying Mick, it's not as easy as having 8...Just saying Mick, it's not as easy as having 80,000 members, still lots and lots of work to do in order to convince these no voters that the best bet is the SNP for more powers.<br /><br />I'd be delighted with 20 seats, I think that is doable, but only if they continue with Ed Miliband, which I am not sure if they will.<br /><br />We shouldn't underestimate Labour in Scotland, they'll probably start saying if you vote SNP we'll team up with the tories!<br /><br />We haven't won anything yet and like it or not, they won the referendum and are now playing for time over the new powers.<br /> <br />Remember quite a lot of no voters don't really care if we get no powers as they don't even understand the purpose of the Scottish Government and what powers it currently has.<br /><br />If the SNP get a good amount of seats and UKIP steal seats from Labour, then things will be interesting, but that is a long way away and I'd rather not count our chickens before they have hatched.<br /><br /><br /> chalksnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-39918730030116012102014-10-10T11:59:45.061+01:002014-10-10T11:59:45.061+01:00The Bank of England should have a 'branch'...The Bank of England should have a 'branch' in each country of the UK and be renamed the Central Bank of the United Kingdom. . The Scottish banks should join the Central Bank of the United Kingdom's 'Note Exchange Programme'. By having their own 'branch' or 'central bank', England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland will be no different to the countries in the Eurozone. You don't need to be 'independent' to have this arrangement, but the arrangement does make it easier for the countries to become independent if there is a demand for it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-62924165319990398602014-10-10T11:58:10.045+01:002014-10-10T11:58:10.045+01:00Not been keeping on on current events have you cha...Not been keeping on on current events have you chalks?<br /><br />The SNP now have twice as many members as UKIP since the first referendum. And I don't just mean the kippers in scotland, I mean twice as many members as UKIP's ENTIRE UK membership.<br /><br />Have another look at James thread lest you inexplicably think that their win didn't come at a truly massive price for them. They now have to deliver BIG meaningful powers to scotland real fucking fast. If they don't then it will inevitably lead to another independence referendum soon enough with absolutely ZERO chance of them using "more powers" as an excuse to win over soft floating No voters next time. Devolution took two tries and so did a majority at Holyrood for the SNP. Demographics are also not on their side as time goes on.<br /><br />I've also been hearing some caution about just how many seats te SNP can take off of labour in 2015. Some of that is merited since those are pretty fucking big majorities many of 'scottish' labour are holding on to. However, it is abundantly clear that little Ed, Clegg and Cameron are all massive liabilities and will have a burning spotlight on them in 2015. That means anyone relying on past performance best have a look at how fragile those kind of numbers are even against the likes of Farage who couldn't run a bath never mind a country.<br /><br />The out of touch westminster parties also have nowhere to turn when it comes to the future. This isn't just the laughably inept clcamity Clegg, little Ed or the weak Cameron's problem. Who do they have afterwards to stop the rot? Theresa May? Boris?? Tim Farron? Ed Balls?? Andy Burnham? Don't make me laugh. Their problem is systemic which will ensure that the westminster parties 'fortunes' will only worsen as time goes on.Mick Porknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-48100729643538875692014-10-10T10:20:25.522+01:002014-10-10T10:20:25.522+01:00Aye but Mick, we got beat by that shower of utterl...Aye but Mick, we got beat by that shower of utterly incompetent arseholes. <br />chalksnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-30762858035759438902014-10-10T08:45:19.695+01:002014-10-10T08:45:19.695+01:00Good article James and there will be plenty of sub...Good article James and there will be plenty of submissions that will need to be taken note of I'm sure. The fact is if the Smith Commission merely looks and feels like a pointless talking shop set up by panicking westminster politicians then it has zero chance of convincing the scottish public of anything. Therefore it will <i>need</i> the public submissions hugely if it wants any kind of credibility.<br /><br /><br />Meanwhile it is somewhat apposite to look at the panic occurring right now in the useless and corrupt westminster establishment.<br /><br /><br />So a big very big <b>LOL</b> indeed at Cameron, little Ed and Clegg today. Also an equally big LOL at the reams of clueless ignorant speculation that will go on as to the 'why' and the 'causes' when it so unbelievably obvious only a bunch of out of touch idiots could possibly not realise it.<br /><br />You simply don't get a comical public schoolboy twit like Farage and the kippers coming so close to little Ed in Heywood and hammering Cammie in Clacton if the three westminster parties and their leaders were any fucking good.<br /><br /><br />As the football song goes..<br /><br /><i>"They're shit and they know they are!"</i><br /><br />*chortle*Mick Porknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-41857320364024553512014-10-10T07:42:12.807+01:002014-10-10T07:42:12.807+01:00Cynical highlander
I'm sure that Tavish Scott ...Cynical highlander<br />I'm sure that Tavish Scott will consult all of his constituents before attending the Smith Commission meetings.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-91730368282658933212014-10-10T06:09:25.735+01:002014-10-10T06:09:25.735+01:00I'd like to see more powers James, but I fear ...I'd like to see more powers James, but I fear the worst.<br /><br />She'll be back....to visit an indy Scotland.chalksnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-49101206824063533602014-10-10T01:36:20.123+01:002014-10-10T01:36:20.123+01:00Mad ranting labour crone scrapes a win against UKI... Mad ranting labour crone scrapes a win against UKIP in Heywood and starts screaming about people endorsing Edlippede's manifesto and saving the NHS from the evil Tories.<br /><br /> 617 vote majority over a party of racists and she lays into the traditional enemy. Labour all over. <br /><br /> English politics stinks. <br /><br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-29722102594777770982014-10-10T00:00:49.058+01:002014-10-10T00:00:49.058+01:00Chalks : I don't fully agree, but the two obje...Chalks : I don't fully agree, but the two objectives conveniently overlap anyway.<br /><br />CynicalHighlander : I suppose they would probably make the point that numbers don't matter so much, because the aim (it may be a hopeless aim, but we'll see) is to find agreement between the five parties, rather than to decide anything by majority vote. Whether it should be restricted only to those five parties is maybe a bigger issue.James Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01516007141763230886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-47627065301134085912014-10-09T22:11:18.129+01:002014-10-09T22:11:18.129+01:00I have more chance of getting a handjob off Scarle...I have more chance of getting a handjob off Scarlett Johansen than we do of getting substantial more powers....its not the point though....the point is to take part in the process and win round the floating no voterschalksnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-48651919991872080302014-10-09T18:18:57.470+01:002014-10-09T18:18:57.470+01:00No comment on the fact that there will be 6+ union...No comment on the fact that there will be 6+ unionists and only 4 indy guys to argue seems undemocratic to me especially with prof Tomkins and Tavish who both have very narrow view points.<br /><br />Thanks for putting your letter up as it has some very good salient points.<br /><br />cynicalHighlanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06034325908473006163noreply@blogger.com