tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post5391160154871320873..comments2024-03-28T20:48:25.248+00:00Comments on SCOT goes POP!: YouGov poll is even better for Yes among definite votersJames Kellyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01516007141763230886noreply@blogger.comBlogger83125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-57728033848827819762014-08-22T08:50:42.169+01:002014-08-22T08:50:42.169+01:00The idea that a state of nearly 60 million people ...<i> The idea that a state of nearly 60 million people (With a consequently bigger economy) will ever be treated as an equal to a state of 5.3 million people is incredibly fanciful. </i><br /><br />Which is EXACTLY the reason we need to dissolve the unequal Union!!<br /><br />Who is treating who here? Insert "by Westminster" after the word "equal" above and you're spot on. But an independent Scotland would be the equal of Denmark, Norway etc etc.I'm sure those countries are shaking in their boots because they are not the equals of England. A confederation of different sized states working together is not the same as one large state governing another to the latter's disadvantage. <br /><br />And yes I do believe in the social union. I myself am English and I do not intend to brand my family as nasty "foreigners" after a YES vote, unlike the sickening xenophobic trash that apparently constitutes the bitter resentful heart of NoThanksBetterTogetherNobOrderssmerralhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00485958340415489602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-36899604141825134022014-08-21T22:52:31.810+01:002014-08-21T22:52:31.810+01:00smerral:
"The best way forward for the natio...smerral:<br /><br /><i>"The best way forward for the nations of these islands is the forging of a new EQUAL partnership based on mutual respect."</i><br /><br />The idea that a state of nearly 60 million people (With a consequently bigger economy) will ever be treated as an equal to a state of 5.3 million people is incredibly fanciful.<br /><br />And please don't tell you've fell for Salmond's "social union" drivel!Stoatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-80176044242438667132014-08-21T18:47:56.607+01:002014-08-21T18:47:56.607+01:00So the fast exit out of the EU is voting Yes. That...<i>So the fast exit out of the EU is voting Yes. That guarantees an exit without question.</i><br /><br />Yet another load of absolute bollocks.<br />smerralhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00485958340415489602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-90524137773429937482014-08-21T18:46:40.061+01:002014-08-21T18:46:40.061+01:00Yes our visions are entirely different. For my mon...<i> Yes our visions are entirely different. For my money if you want anget, resentment, bitter divisionand possibly conflagration ( though I hope to God not) vote Yes.</i><br /><br />What a load of absolute nonsense!! The best way forward for the nations of these islands is the forging of a new EQUAL partnership based on mutual respect. That can only be achieved if each country is allowed to run its own affairs free from interference or bullying. The UK is fucked. One way or another it is finished, and the overbearing nastiness of the unionist campaign has accelerated that process a hundredfold. If we part now we will still have a chance of forging that new relationship which will be to evryone's benefit. Otherwise all we can look forward to are years of bitter recriminations which can only damage the social union which we all want to preserve.<br /><br />smerralhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00485958340415489602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-68645984342918590482014-08-21T14:54:11.590+01:002014-08-21T14:54:11.590+01:00Yes our visions are entirely different. For my mon...Yes our visions are entirely different. For my money if you want anget, resentment, bitter divisionand possibly conflagration ( though I hope to God not) vote Yes. You cannot expect to erect a new border without division. It,s like someone building a high barbed wire electric fence around their house and then wondering why the neighbours are suddenly hostile!<br /><br />Nor does the whole ' 'England is about to become a punitive fascist state hell bent on veangence' 'thing make the slightest sense. Except as Project Fear for Nats!!!<br /><br />And also despite what you see here, the polls do not show the Tories about to win in2015. The odds are on Labour or a Lib Lab pact. And any idea it is all settled is a delusion. <br /><br />As, by the way , is the notion the UK is about to leave the EU! The latest polls show a majority in favour of staying EVEN if Cameron fails to win ANY concessions. . If he wins any at all, even fig-leaves it goes up to about 75% in favour of staying. And if Labour gets in there wont even be a referendum!<br /><br />So the fast exit out of the EU is voting Yes. That guarantees an exit without question.<br /><br />Expatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-33287925678409890422014-08-21T09:38:51.115+01:002014-08-21T09:38:51.115+01:00Yeh, what expat doesn't seem to realise is tha...Yeh, what expat doesn't seem to realise is that the majority of ill-will felt to Scotland is anchored in the South East of England...which is also the main battleground between Labour and Tories.<br /><br />Writing is on the wall.chalksnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-50773127025483892482014-08-20T21:12:33.518+01:002014-08-20T21:12:33.518+01:00It's now perfectly obvious that Expat's ro...It's now perfectly obvious that Expat's rosy fantasy is not what's going to happen in the event of a No majority. At the beginning, in 2011, I would have agreed with him as I already said. But you'd have to be wilfully blind not to read the signals coming out of Westminster. Wings has a couple of articles that cover the issue.Rolfehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17849975010197698907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-61340962585643769982014-08-20T20:52:26.835+01:002014-08-20T20:52:26.835+01:00Rolfe cheer up. All that will happen after No is a...<i> Rolfe cheer up. All that will happen after No is a concerted attempt to bring the country together and offer more power to Scotland by a generally shaken UK.<br />Who will be MIGHTILY relieved. </i><br /><br />This indeed would be the SENSIBLE way to behave by a British state wishing to preserve some kind of looser Union. However, I have zero faith in that option; it would require the kind of fundamental reform of which I do not believe they are at all interested in. Neither do I believe they are at all capable of it. I fear what Rolfe does, but I don't believe Scotland will lie down and accept their punitive actions. The flames of nationalism will become a conflagration as Westninster really and truly becomes an oppressive ENEMY. Resentment and frustration will thrive as the chasm between the two countries widens. No-one wants to see that.smerralhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00485958340415489602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-57157414942033648552014-08-20T20:00:00.186+01:002014-08-20T20:00:00.186+01:00Rolfe cheer up. All that will happen after No is a...<br />Rolfe cheer up. All that will happen after No is a concerted attempt to bring the country together and offer more power to Scotland by a generally shaken UK.<br />Who will be MIGHTILY relieved. <br /><br />If yes wins...well all bets are off and nobody knows. How could they? Unchartered territory. If you hate everything about now, hate it all, then maybe you'll think good. Why not? VAT on books is a certainty. And there will be a lot of capital flight obviously, but that's just minor stuff. Almost everything will change. <br /><br />But I accept if Yes is all about a burning need to express national identity you don't care even if things don't go well. In that sense no argument is possible.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /> Expatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-38755629531616955842014-08-20T17:53:31.706+01:002014-08-20T17:53:31.706+01:00Stoat, you mistake me. What I posted wasn't r...Stoat, you mistake me. What I posted wasn't rhetoric, it's simply how I feel about a future after No. Terrified out of my bloody wits.Rolfehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17849975010197698907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-465257822035972042014-08-20T14:14:05.299+01:002014-08-20T14:14:05.299+01:00LOL
Seriously though, anyone with an IQ above 50 c...LOL<br />Seriously though, anyone with an IQ above 50 can see the threat that a NO vote poses to Scotland. So if it is a win for NO then the mantra of "too stupid" will indeed have proven correct.smerralhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00485958340415489602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-52667965734534496002014-08-20T14:10:27.991+01:002014-08-20T14:10:27.991+01:00Ah, that's good to know. Clearly as a No vote...Ah, that's good to know. Clearly as a No voter such thoughts could only arouse me greatly. Now excuse while I go to masturbate in front of my portrait of Margaret Thatcher while singing God Save the Queen.Stoatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-84642011952533015012014-08-20T14:02:58.675+01:002014-08-20T14:02:58.675+01:00Worry not, Stoat, it's only going to fall on i...Worry not, Stoat, it's only going to fall on in those Scots that depend on public services. You know, the sick, feckless ones. Better Together types like you and deluded fantasist Nazi Yessers like me will be fine. ;-)Briannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-43476276927413520262014-08-20T13:49:40.730+01:002014-08-20T13:49:40.730+01:00Thanks for that, Rolfe. Good to see that it's...Thanks for that, Rolfe. Good to see that it's not just my own side that's opting for "The sky will fall in on us!" rhetoric. Project Fear lives on in Yes Scotland!Stoatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-5237098236520998242014-08-20T13:02:36.054+01:002014-08-20T13:02:36.054+01:00I remember 2011. I started campaigning for the SN...I remember 2011. I started campaigning for the SNP in the hope that we might get a slightly larger majority and be in a better position to implement the manifesto and maybe even a referendum (the last bit being something of a "stretch goal"). Just yet another "one more push" exercise.<br /><br />At the back of my mind was the fear that the Scottish electorate would revert to type and Labour would get in again. I imagined the scorn and the sneering and the triumphalism, and didn't fancy it much. How much would a Labour victory set us back? A lot.<br /><br />Then as the campaign progressed my feelings changed. I began to realise that we'd had something special for the previous four years - a government in Holyrood that wasn't beholden to any Westminster interests and was free to act for the good of Scotland alone. I knew I'd really miss that. I also saw what a bunch of numpties we had in Scottish Labour. Imagine Iain Gray as First Minister! What a thought. For a time I thought that was our probable fate and I felt really downhearted.<br /><br />Then the Scottish electorate surprised the hell out of me.<br /><br />It's a lot worse this time. At the beginning of the campaign I was reasonably placid. I hoped for a win but believed that even a loss would just be the next wave up the beach ready for the <i>next</i> one to take us over the top. Not any more.<br /><br />I can see that a loss will be a bloody disaster for Scotland. We'll be punished for our temerity in <i>almost</i> going for it, and steps will be taken to make damn sure we don't get another chance. It's similar to a month out in 2011, but far worse. We've <i>got</i> to do this or were are royally screwed.<br /><br />The electorate saw this last time. I think we can hope that they'll see it again.Rolfehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17849975010197698907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-78496971159105259062014-08-20T12:25:04.075+01:002014-08-20T12:25:04.075+01:00Slowly it is dawning on the Scottish Media what li...Slowly it is dawning on the Scottish Media what lies in store for Scotland with a No vote.<br /><br />Expect Henry McLeish to come out for yes in the next two weeks.<br /><br />Who know's who else.<br /><br />And yes, trollers, this has all been planned to provide the biggest possible boost to Yes...it's called keeping your powder dry until when it really matters.<br /><br />Imagine if Osborne/Darling had kept their scare stories back until around about now....chalksnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-10209727333496691892014-08-20T11:16:19.659+01:002014-08-20T11:16:19.659+01:00Any time I hear someone say the yes campaign is an...Any time I hear someone say the yes campaign is anti English I'm pretty certain that the person making that claim is from outside Scotland. Anyone living in Scotland knows instantly that there is no evidence of this whatsoever, it is just not an issue, no one talks about it, no one cares about it. The only time you ever hear this suggested is in the btl comments in Internet sites belonging to the msm. Or here, of course.<br /><br />In Scotland we are all talking about things like inequality, NHS, education, privatisation, workfare, zero-hour contracts, bedroom tax, benefit sanctions, housing shortages, trident, food banks, banking regulation, pension age, care for the elderly, student fees, democratic deficit, spending cuts, Tories, the corruption at Westminster, illegal wars, child sex abuse and an untrustworthy media. If you lived here you would know this.<br /><br />We have enough to be talking about in this debate already, no one has time to be wondering if anyone hates the English or not.<br /><br /><br />Betty the Firstnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-47643543685318631162014-08-20T10:39:21.378+01:002014-08-20T10:39:21.378+01:00"Yeah, that one is so loaded its results are ..."Yeah, that one is so loaded its results are meaningless. But it would only affect the answer to the referendum question if it was asked first. Was it?"<br /><br />NoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-42656825912682614182014-08-20T10:37:40.842+01:002014-08-20T10:37:40.842+01:00In panelbase, 32% of people born in England said t...In panelbase, 32% of people born in England said they planned Yes. <br /><br />That's a whole lot of self hating going on.<br /><br />;-)Scottish_Skiernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-2459855194448618492014-08-20T10:17:45.880+01:002014-08-20T10:17:45.880+01:00Alot of interesting headlines today stating that w...Alot of interesting headlines today stating that westminister will exact revenge on scots in wake of a No vote. <br /><br />They want a £7BN cut to scottish block grant. Once this starts to filter through to soft No and undecideds it should be very beneficial for Yes.<br /><br />The 3 big pillars of Yes in the last weeks must be NHS, Education and protection from Westminister cuts.<br /><br />That is what will motivate people not currency.Chris Knowlesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-88366314668884480302014-08-20T09:19:56.733+01:002014-08-20T09:19:56.733+01:00"Do they really think that if the YES campaig...<i>"Do they really think that if the YES campaign was riddled with anti-english bigotry that we would have anything to do with it?"</i><br /><br />Indeed smerral.<br /><br />It's all too telling that some of the most bizarre rants and disparaging comments about 'foreigners' have come not just from No but from supposedly serious politicians like little Ed Miliband. Not to mention some of the most repugnant bigots clinging on to the 'Better Together' coattails.<br /><br /><br />http://wingsoverscotland.com/bigots-together/Mick Porknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-81218230849367516932014-08-20T09:01:58.164+01:002014-08-20T09:01:58.164+01:00They're apparently quoting some fuckwit hack i...<i> They're apparently quoting some fuckwit hack in the rabidly unionist Hootsman who is actually trying to pretend criticism of westminster and the three main incompetent parties equates to being anti-english. </i><br /><br />This anti-english accusation is another insane miscalculation from the NO campaign. I myself am English (OK after 25 years here I consider myself a Scottish national, but I know many more recent arrivals who are YES voters). Do they really think that if the YES campaign was riddled with anti-english bigotry that we would have anything to do with it? When I point this out to rabid Brit-nats they either go silent or accuse me of suffering from some kind of delusion. LMAOsmerralhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00485958340415489602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-42503317665193717802014-08-20T08:34:03.194+01:002014-08-20T08:34:03.194+01:00"seems bizarre to shout it from the rooftops....<i>"seems bizarre to shout it from the rooftops."<br /><br />It won't make any difference now. What have BT got left?</i><br /><br />Exactly right smerral. Also never forget you have incompetent dipshits like Osborne, Cameron and Clegg 'master strategising' for the No campaign. Osborne can't even tax a pasty without making an omnishambles, Cameron's own spindoctor and close friend is in prison and Clegg is just a toxic joke nobody pays any attention to anymore. Public school twits who have about as much of a clue about scotland's working class as the working class in England, Wales or anywhere else.<br /><br />Though if the Britnat tories are desperately begging for little Ed or Darling to save them they don't appear to have much of a clue about just how little they are rated either.<br /><br /><i>"They have nothing left but Alistair Darling parotting "plan B plan B plan B" like a demented dalek in its death throes"</i><br /><br />Which hasn't worked at any time during the campaign but most of the No campaign are still too hilariously dumb to realise it. Even the unionist friendly pundit Curtice has had to admit the bleeding obvious now after Darling's debate debacle. Currency was always a minority issue and all the demented shrieking about it from No ever does is remind the scottish public that this Independence Referendum is <i>all</i> about who they will trust to put the interests of scotland first. <br /><br />Which sure as fuck isn't Cammie, Clegg, Osborne, little Ed, or Darling. Mick Porknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-2258821992877219182014-08-20T07:25:49.479+01:002014-08-20T07:25:49.479+01:00They've truly gone round the bend now on PB. T...They've truly gone round the bend now on PB. They're apparently quoting some fuckwit hack in the rabidly unionist Hootsman who is actually trying to pretend criticism of westminster and the three main incompetent parties equates to being anti-english.<br /><br />LOL<br /><br /><i>REALLY?</i><br /><br />So Nigel Farage is anti-English is he?<br /><br /><br /><b>*tears of laughter*</b><br /><br />Priceless comedy as usual from the witless tory twits.Mick Porknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-60944085866144027562014-08-20T06:40:50.958+01:002014-08-20T06:40:50.958+01:00The out of touch tory twits on PB are shrieking ag...The out of touch tory twits on PB are shrieking again because now they are under the hilarious delusion that trust is on the No side when scots choose who they will trust with scotland's future at the Independence Referendum.<br /><br />As smerrel highlighted before they are as wrong about that as they were when they were screeching dementedly about currency.<br /><br /><br />* Do you trust ALEX SALMOND, First Minister, to stand up for Scotland's interests?<br /><br />Yes: 52%<br /><br />No: 37%<br /><br />Don't know: 12%<br /><br />Net rating: +15<br /><br /><br /><br />* Do you trust NICOLA STURGEON, Deputy First Minister, to stand up for Scotland's interests?<br /><br />Yes: 53%<br /><br />No: 33%<br /><br />Don't know: 14%<br /><br />Net rating: +20<br /><br /><br /><br />* Do you trust DENNIS CANAVAN, Chairman of the Yes campaign, to stand up for Scotland's interests?<br /><br />Yes: 41%<br /><br />No: 33%<br /><br />Don't know: 26%<br /><br />Net rating: +8<br /><br /><br /><br />* Do you trust DAVID CAMERON, Prime Minister, to stand up for Scotland's interests?<br /><br />Yes: 19%<br /><br />No: 66%<br /><br />Don't know: 14%<br /><br />Net rating: -47<br /><br /><br /><br />* Do you trust ALISTAIR DARLING, Chairman of the No campaign, to stand up for Scotland's interests?<br /><br />Yes: 32%<br /><br />No: 50%<br /><br />Don't know: 18%<br /><br />Net rating: -18<br /><br /><br /><br />* Do you trust JOHANN LAMONT, leader of Scottish Labour, to stand up for Scotland's interests?<br /><br />Yes: 30%<br /><br />No: 40%<br /><br />Don't know: 30%<br /><br />Net rating: -10<br /><br /><br /><br />Note: only 40 per cent of Labour voters trust Alistair Darling to stand up for Scotland, compared to 42 per cent who do not.<br /><br /><b>LOL</b><br /><br />Poor old westmisnter bubble PB twits, they never, <i>ever</i> learn.Mick Porknoreply@blogger.com