tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post5066536324770062164..comments2024-03-28T23:42:56.773+00:00Comments on SCOT goes POP!: What happens if a "People's Vote" is won by Leave?James Kellyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01516007141763230886noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-74358399851906637942018-12-29T17:44:47.075+00:002018-12-29T17:44:47.075+00:00Poor Cordelia. Too much Toilet Duck again...Poor Cordelia. Too much Toilet Duck again...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-58961438146644486212018-12-27T22:39:21.903+00:002018-12-27T22:39:21.903+00:00How dare you? How bloody dare you?How dare you? How bloody dare you?Working Jimmy frae the Caltonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-48895711076412122042018-12-27T09:17:31.726+00:002018-12-27T09:17:31.726+00:00If the UK votes Leave again it will be very tight ...If the UK votes Leave again it will be very tight again and it will tear itself apart arguing about the type of Brexit it voted for. Independence supporters should not worry about "losing" a second EU referendum as Scotland will vote remain by a substantial amount. There would be no going back for English and Welsh remainers if they lost a second vote but the process of dragging Scotland out against its will would have well and truly begun. The difference between Scotland and rUK in our views on the future will be clear and stark. These are exactly the conditions we should be seeking before the next independence referendum. <br />Stewart Dredgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04499625308808399000noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-89461128041033452862018-12-26T15:12:26.643+00:002018-12-26T15:12:26.643+00:00Ditto from all at the Argyll ArmsDitto from all at the Argyll ArmsHendonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-3303958997826615562018-12-26T13:15:41.165+00:002018-12-26T13:15:41.165+00:00washington d.c. massage<a href="https://www.adultlook.com/l/washingtondc-dc?cat=TherapeuticMassage" rel="nofollow">washington d.c. massage</a><br />fangdadahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00283985795218661152noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-49210531024534424782018-12-26T02:47:33.607+00:002018-12-26T02:47:33.607+00:00Seasons greetings James. All the best in the new y...Seasons greetings James. All the best in the new year.BillfromBostonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09399762489266212680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-23253794784010765572018-12-26T02:37:05.945+00:002018-12-26T02:37:05.945+00:00The worst danger I see is that May capitulates to ...<i>The worst danger I see is that May capitulates to holding a People's Vote, but manages to keep a remain option off the ballot - ie, Deal or No Deal. The SNP would inevitably be forced to abstain from a referendum they had campaigned for</i><br /><br />That isn't the referendum they're campaigning for.keatonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-7235276290633184762018-12-25T09:53:01.885+00:002018-12-25T09:53:01.885+00:00Merry Xmas to my many admirers. To know me is to a...Merry Xmas to my many admirers. To know me is to adore me.GWC2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-88980666057491377572018-12-25T05:25:52.330+00:002018-12-25T05:25:52.330+00:00I should note that when I say, "make the argu...I should note that when I say, "make the argument that if the EU referendum can be rerun less than three years after the original vote, then the indyref can be rerun whenever the Scottish Government decide to call another one," I mean make the argument to the people of Scotland, regardless of where they fall on the pro/anti-independence axis. Obviously, it's helpful if the argument is accepted by a Westminster government as well, but refusing to accept the results of a vote (or "allow" the vote in the first place) that Scots view as legitimate ultimately plays into pro-indy hands.Hollyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08435685704711950587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-57382672486822524842018-12-25T05:07:05.863+00:002018-12-25T05:07:05.863+00:00I assume that in backing the "People's Vo...I assume that in backing the "People's Vote", the SNP are looking to be able to make the argument that if the EU referendum can be rerun less than three years after the original vote, then the indyref can be rerun whenever the Scottish Government decide to call another one. Whether this point will embarrass a future Westminster Government into granting another Section 30 order or not, I'm not sure. Both the Tories and Labour are a disingenuous and shameless bunch.<br /><br />As long as Scotland continues to support remaining in the EU, I don't think there is a downside to this approach. If there is a second EU referendum, and Leave wins again, the UK leaves the EU, the Scottish government calls a new indyref. If they aren't granted another Section 30 order, then the next Holyrood elections can be a de facto indyref, with a pro-indy majority having a mandate to start the process of making Scotland independent. Either way, the SNP can point out they did all they could to keep Scotland in the UK and the EU, but now we all have to choose which union is more important to us. If Remain wins a second referendum, then the SNP can refocus on their initial strategy (before the EU referendum) of trying to win over people who previously voted No. Certainly, the chaos of the last two and a half years contradicts the idea that remaining tied to Westminster keeps us in a stable, predictable political system.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-30652424543185193432018-12-24T17:19:19.182+00:002018-12-24T17:19:19.182+00:00"The transition to our independence is much e...<i>"The transition to our independence is much easier if rUK and us are both in the single market/CU."</i><br /><br />That's a technical argument that would be dwarfed by the enormous psychological impact of remaining in the EU after two or three years of chaos. Many voters would be unwilling to risk the upheaval of constitutional negotiations like this ever again. Independence is only on the cards now as a possible solution to the Brexit crisis - if the problem disappears, so will the solution.James Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05264559835025144323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-14207753226096279412018-12-24T15:38:04.989+00:002018-12-24T15:38:04.989+00:00As long as May is in Number 10, how likely is that...As long as May is in Number 10, how likely is that? And remember too, a "People's Vote" requires legislation so requires a majority in the Commons. Is that majority there? According to Michael Crick on C4 not so long ago, there are about 200 MPs in favour of this. Of course its all very fluid and could change, but I dont get the sense of the Commons rushing to a People's Vote. What would the question be is another issuesoccer dochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15113263571551592184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-63776223298966891662018-12-24T11:51:49.592+00:002018-12-24T11:51:49.592+00:00Even if the Tories go for a deal v no-deal ref, I ...Even if the Tories go for a deal v no-deal ref, I am sure it would be amended to put remain on the ballot, and with any luck to remove no-deal as well. Pretty sure, no-deal is the least favoured option in WM.Brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17865449836145697801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-347994916336413422018-12-24T11:48:34.230+00:002018-12-24T11:48:34.230+00:00I don't get the opposition to EURef2/PV. The a...I don't get the opposition to EURef2/PV. The answer to the question posed is, "we gave it our best shot to stay in the EU with rUK but having failed we're damn well going to use our Indyref2 lifeboat".<br /><br />The odds would surely be on a remain win this time though. Even with zero change of mind the demographics and the motivation of remain voters to turn out this time will see to that I think.<br /><br />The transition to our independence is much easier if rUK and us are both in the single market/CU. It will be much harder for Unionism to make the argument that we'll be stuck outside the EU this time. The UK is unravelling irrespective of whether Brexit happens or not. I think a little patience in order to achieve a smoother transition is worth it.<br /><br />Having said that, if Brexit goes ahead, although Indy may be a harder short term economic shock, it becomes even more necessary than ever and we will have an enthusiastic new cohort of pro-EU campaigners on our side.Brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17865449836145697801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-48096884652128772752018-12-24T10:37:31.576+00:002018-12-24T10:37:31.576+00:00A few points .1) No other country in the world has...A few points .1) No other country in the world has interfered with other countries affairs more than the USA (and UK) Think Nicaragua etc... 2) it might be hard not to grant a second independence referendum if 2 EU referendums have been held in a short period of time. 3) And finally the SNP should ONLY commit their MPs to support this 2nd EU people's vote ONLY if there was an understanding that if once again Scotland voted overwhelmingly to REMAIN then there has to be some consideration to the needs of Scotland as a pre conditionKenny2208https://www.blogger.com/profile/07191786206664890577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-26964008864934793542018-12-24T10:10:26.316+00:002018-12-24T10:10:26.316+00:00If people's vote is in/out and produces overal...If people's vote is in/out and produces overall leave result with Scotland once again voting remain, it will reinforce case for indy.<br />If people's vote is Treeza deal or no deal its a strategic error for SNP to back it.<br />Scotland has already rejected both of those options.<br />All depends what's on the ballot paper of the people's vote.<br />Anyone know what that's going to be?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-75246867829935464252018-12-24T08:26:48.434+00:002018-12-24T08:26:48.434+00:00Cordelia's on the sherry again singing the sam...Cordelia's on the sherry again singing the same old song. Can we club together and buy her a bottle of Winter's Tale? Poor old soul.Jackie Nearynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-42928183835561993452018-12-23T23:53:14.645+00:002018-12-23T23:53:14.645+00:00The "we did all we could" strategy only ...The "we did all we could" strategy only makes sense if a People's Vote never actually happens. James Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05264559835025144323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-65891467788232973942018-12-23T22:15:40.959+00:002018-12-23T22:15:40.959+00:00Strange young James why you Nat sis want to sell o...Strange young James why you Nat sis want to sell out Scotland to the EU when you have been struglin fur independence. You are a weird lot. Glesga2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-71943851916389480672018-12-23T22:03:25.373+00:002018-12-23T22:03:25.373+00:00No, that's not the Scottish government's p...No, that's not the Scottish government's position. It used to be, but their support for a People's Vote is now unconditional.James Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05264559835025144323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-30487768249440962332018-12-23T21:59:21.000+00:002018-12-23T21:59:21.000+00:00I was under the impression that the SG position wa...I was under the impression that the SG position was in a 3rd EU referendum,1. 1975, 2.2016, 3. 2019 ?, then all of the 4 nations of the UK would have to vote for it for it to be legitimate.<br />If you think about it that makes the UK a complete nonesense for an English Nationalist. To use the old adage a House divided against itself cannot stand so why not convert it into separate apartments.<br />jeans-jacqueshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10209313475974449077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-30165072478763444342018-12-23T21:57:29.321+00:002018-12-23T21:57:29.321+00:00Well, in all fairness, if the no-brexit option is ...Well, in all fairness, if the no-brexit option is not on the ballot (and that is increasingly likely, because Corbyn isn't exactly pushing for it), then the SNP can say that the vote is a sham.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-48405080567223573962018-12-23T21:50:23.854+00:002018-12-23T21:50:23.854+00:00The really interesting thing would be if Scotland ...The really interesting thing would be if Scotland were to tip the final tally from Leave to Remain...<br /><br />But that's not going to happen. If there's a People's Vote, it'll be between No Deal and May Deal. There's no time for anything else, and both Corbyn and May want Brexit.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-528164867871164832018-12-23T21:44:01.473+00:002018-12-23T21:44:01.473+00:00I'm trending on twitter.I'm trending on twitter.Jackie Nearynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-14065727428133743432018-12-23T20:06:04.636+00:002018-12-23T20:06:04.636+00:00What does the polling say about the strength of th...What does the polling say about the strength of the Remainer vote in Scotland?<br /><br />If it rises closer to 70% or even beyond and Leave still wins, then the case for independence is strengthened. Turnout in Scotland could also be improved over the previous occasion. A great result would be two million plus votes for Remain from Scotland AND less than a million for Leave.<br /><br />The worst danger I see is that May capitulates to holding a People's Vote, but manages to keep a remain option off the ballot - ie, Deal or No Deal. The SNP would inevitably be forced to abstain from a referendum they had campaigned for, or actively campaign for a boycott/spoiling ballots.Alannoreply@blogger.com