tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post4378481602583055751..comments2024-03-28T13:00:53.517+00:00Comments on SCOT goes POP!: Tom Gordon wants the pro-independence movement to pack up and go home. Tom Gordon is going to be very disappointed.James Kellyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01516007141763230886noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-81149035266745835352019-05-26T21:34:42.409+01:002019-05-26T21:34:42.409+01:00I am kind of hoping that the next General Election...I am kind of hoping that the next General Election - in the next quarter or so - will be the next independence referendum. What say you?douglas clarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11422060678908705962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-90257289333515020622019-05-26T21:31:38.570+01:002019-05-26T21:31:38.570+01:00I was unimpressed with Mr Gordon. He is a Casandra...I was unimpressed with Mr Gordon. He is a Casandra for our times and makes a living out of being a twat. I still buy the on-line version of The Herald, on the basis that you ought to know what your enemy is doing.<br /><br />Notwithstanding that, his ridiculousness has reached an all time peak. That is shit for brains. douglas clarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11422060678908705962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-69594782083356958782019-05-26T20:48:21.203+01:002019-05-26T20:48:21.203+01:00U ok hun?U ok hun?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-32625827231216963392019-05-26T18:55:57.161+01:002019-05-26T18:55:57.161+01:00Scotref will BE the second referendum...Scotref will BE the second referendum...Cameron MacDonald Gazzola Blackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11460898271918397890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-77433802329370215752019-05-26T18:27:36.187+01:002019-05-26T18:27:36.187+01:00Public spending is clearly not targeting the poor ...Public spending is clearly not targeting the poor and homeless. Just back from Dundee and although it is not as bad as Glasgow where you are tripping over them on nearly all streets Dundee is bad. And let us not forget that public spending also goes to the over abundance of Scottish MSPs. And the Nat sis also want to fund the lifestyles of MEPs<br />GWCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-34513642799819979642019-05-26T14:17:41.585+01:002019-05-26T14:17:41.585+01:00"The Scottish MSM commentariat plainly have n..."The Scottish MSM commentariat plainly have no faith in their own country's competence, but we're not obliged to share that view."<br /><br />Exactly. And we're not obliged to buy their papers or pay the bbc tax. Boycott the British nationalist media.Dan Huilnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-53325028807988160522019-05-26T12:45:49.916+01:002019-05-26T12:45:49.916+01:00Being seen to not deliver on / overturn 52% is wor...Being seen to not deliver on / overturn 52% is working out really, really badly for Westminster.Scottish Skierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10584099659760612109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-5987501409601207892019-05-26T12:33:47.213+01:002019-05-26T12:33:47.213+01:00Vronsky
Tend to agree. Newspapers and their journ...Vronsky<br /><br />Tend to agree. Newspapers and their journalists tend to pander to the prejudices of their perceived readership rather than inform and guide. Tom is following a well worn path. HandandShrimpnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-6770297537783787592019-05-26T11:32:58.703+01:002019-05-26T11:32:58.703+01:00It really depends on the level of the Yes vote, an...It really depends on the level of the Yes vote, anything over 60% then Westminster is in a weak position, below 55% they will try and overturn it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-26452655909307887352019-05-26T10:40:22.743+01:002019-05-26T10:40:22.743+01:00You are being unfair to Tom Gordon, and misunderst...You are being unfair to Tom Gordon, and misunderstanding the nature of propaganda. Tom understands just as clearly as you do that what he writes is nonsense, but he has good reason to believe that a useful component of his readership will believe it. Recall that at present 50% of Scots oppose independence. Belief always trumps truth, or nobody could ever make a living from advertising.<br /><br />Or perhaps you're being too fair to him: he's not a fool, but a hireling.Vronskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17797785918817375436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-1785355573815583662019-05-26T09:49:05.560+01:002019-05-26T09:49:05.560+01:00Bozo's hardcore right-wing English nationalist...Bozo's hardcore right-wing English nationalist anti-Scottish rants on the front page of the unionist Herald this morning.Scottish Skierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10584099659760612109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-62668435468079715152019-05-26T09:29:16.018+01:002019-05-26T09:29:16.018+01:00Brexit is not an inherently unionist party. It'...Brexit is not an inherently unionist party. It's an English nationalist party with support primarily 'English not British' voters who would dump N. Ireland and even Scotland to achieve English independence.<br /><br />The British unionist parties have lost control in all 4 home nations now it would appear. <br /><br />In Scotland the SNP + Greens dominate. In N. Ireland the unionists have lost control with the pro-EU Remain parties holding a majority (neutrals have the balance of power on reunification). In England, the English nationalists are thrashing Con + Lab, while in Wales the England/Wales nationalists + Welsh nationalists are topping the polls. <br /><br />The UK union cannot survive this. It needs the same pro-UK parties dominating all home nations, at least the GB3. Scottish Skierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10584099659760612109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-19851488076791064212019-05-26T09:16:29.163+01:002019-05-26T09:16:29.163+01:00The UK state is currently crumbling before our eye...The UK state is currently crumbling before our eyes. You are watching the news right? :-)<br /><br />England is in open rebellion. The unionists have lost control of N. Ireland at every level of government and it's half way to reunification via the backstop. Scotland is 49% for independence first thing tomorrow morning (and by a decent margin post brexit), with Bozo is the favourite to be the last PM of the UK (cause and effect).Scottish Skierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10584099659760612109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-11716831540529473272019-05-26T09:11:48.726+01:002019-05-26T09:11:48.726+01:00He's ultimately right though. Scotland's f...He's ultimately right though. Scotland's future is in the hands of Scots alone. <br /><br />This is why only in dictatorships is voting 'illegal'.<br /><br />Also why Spain had no choice but to send in the jackboots to try and disrupt the Catalan iref (so it could claim the vote was not carried out fully), then close down the Catalan parliament + hold a show trial of political prisoners. Simply declaring the result as 'illegal' in a fit of pique would not have prevented Catalan indy.<br /><br />If Scotland votes Yes, as long as it's free and fair with everyone able to go out and make their vote, some sort of legal challenge by England won't cut the mustard. They will need to send in the jackboots, shut down holyrood etc. If not, Scotland moves to independence. <br /><br />This is how these things work.<br /><br />Either the 'colonial' master takes back control with full brutal anti-democratic force, or the new state moves to independence. <br /><br />Just about everything Gandhi did was declared illegal by the British; didn't matter shit. Brits had to keep beating/shooting/imprisoning people until they finally gave up and let India go.<br /><br />Rapid international acceptance makes things much easier of course. In Scotland's case, that's easier post October 31st when the UK ceases to be an EU member; if England is being awkward about indy that is. Scottish Skierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10584099659760612109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-56015802343389673462019-05-26T08:37:41.259+01:002019-05-26T08:37:41.259+01:00Anon, There's an auld saying... Where there...Anon, There's an auld saying... Where there's a will there's a way.<br />In any negotiation Scotland would be in a fairly strong position, with friends in Europe and further afield.<br />England UK will need a deal as much as Scotland and as with the GFA would be faced with reality. <br />There may be an extended negotiation, but the ultimate prize of a democratic Scotland in control of its future is well worth the effort. <br />Unless you prefer the Brexit shitstorm that's about to descend on the UK that is. <br />Anecdotally I've met so many folk recently switching to Indy that it's hard to believe it's still 50/50 in the opinion polls. <br />Let's see what the EU elections come up with. <br />My guess is England and Scotland are now on two separate paths to different futures. <br /><br />ramstamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10764651142754131538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-82779682147878903662019-05-26T08:26:07.843+01:002019-05-26T08:26:07.843+01:00James wrote: "Most countries that have become...James wrote: "Most countries that have become independent in recent times (not all, by any means, but most) have found the process a lot less traumatic than Brexit." This is an interesting point. Does anyone know of any analyses of the process of becoming independent, in countries that have achieved this over the last 40 years? I have found it very hard to access such evidence. It seems to me that a lot of the time (e.g. Baltic states, Ukraine) it has been because the controlling state has crumbled. In other situations (Czech republic, Slovakia) it has been more or less a mutual decision. Earlier, in Norway there as a huge public consensus. My guess is that what we are trying to do in Scotland (win a contested referendum) may actually be an unusual path to travel. John McLeodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02819901710955068802noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-40636351996597169882019-05-26T08:05:00.295+01:002019-05-26T08:05:00.295+01:00Aye, The Herald was indeed fairly neutral a few ye...Aye, The Herald was indeed fairly neutral a few years back.<br />They finally blew it for me when Magnus Gardham was parachuted in as part of the Stop Scotland campaign. <br />Because that's what it is. <br />Tom Gordon is just another from the same stable as Gardham. <br />I only read it because it was in the pub. Wadnae buy it if ye paid me.<br />Surprisingly (or mibbe no) they had the National too.<br />Antidote tae Gordon's guff. ramstamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10764651142754131538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-60365707882522117052019-05-25T23:53:22.972+01:002019-05-25T23:53:22.972+01:00Since when did Nat sis bother about legal issues. ...Since when did Nat sis bother about legal issues. June the sixth is important historically this year. GWCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-43934127172834577372019-05-25T23:43:42.428+01:002019-05-25T23:43:42.428+01:00Sigh. I'm talking about the legal position, A...Sigh. I'm talking about the legal position, Anon.James Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05264559835025144323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-52369923620765283762019-05-25T23:08:10.601+01:002019-05-25T23:08:10.601+01:00Scottish Parliament derives its authority from the...Scottish Parliament derives its authority from the people of Scotland.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-37233952664160693912019-05-25T22:38:15.303+01:002019-05-25T22:38:15.303+01:00What a load of padoodly.What a load of padoodly.Mithridates Bold-Mingingtonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-16557751447751729542019-05-25T22:24:10.484+01:002019-05-25T22:24:10.484+01:00That's a debatable point. Until independence ...That's a debatable point. Until independence day we'd be part of the United Kingdom, and the Scottish Parliament would continue to derive its authority from an Act of the UK Parliament. Any postponement of the election would have to be agreed.James Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05264559835025144323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-21010253933751979242019-05-25T21:18:37.474+01:002019-05-25T21:18:37.474+01:00If there was a Yes referendum vote there may not b...If there was a Yes referendum vote there may not be elections in 2021, a national government that negotiates the dissolution may be required for a couple of years till the break is complete. Once we vote for independence there is no need to continue with Westminster rules.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-2552583626190837002019-05-25T20:48:43.007+01:002019-05-25T20:48:43.007+01:00Actually folks, my Da' a lifelong indy support...Actually folks, my Da' a lifelong indy supporter and 84, reads the Herald daily and is adamant it's a balanced paper. Don't see it myself tbh<br /><br />RonnieAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-56470254325613474852019-05-25T19:45:34.146+01:002019-05-25T19:45:34.146+01:00He is like the postman in the Will Hay film 'O...He is like the postman in the Will Hay film 'Oh! Mr Porter'. "You're wasting your time."Marcianoreply@blogger.com