tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post4223433707645440927..comments2024-03-29T00:45:59.964+00:00Comments on SCOT goes POP!: Independence Poll of Polls remains deadlocked at exactly 50/50James Kellyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01516007141763230886noreply@blogger.comBlogger78125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-45468619257974913192017-03-30T19:58:15.735+01:002017-03-30T19:58:15.735+01:00My name is ALEX JENNY, and i want to thank Dr. Osa...My name is ALEX JENNY, and i want to thank Dr. Osagie for the herbal remedy he gave to me, i was suffering from HIV/ADS for so many years, but to God be the glory that i am healed with the herbal medicine that Dr. Osagie gave to me when i contacted him. i want to use this medium to tell everyone that the solution to our sickness has come, so i will like you to contact this great healer on his email address:(drosagiesolutiontemple@gmail.com OR<br />DROSAGIESOULTIONTEMPLE@YAHOO.COM <br />) or whatsapp: +2347030465649, with him all your pains will be gone, i am really happy today that i am cured of HIV/ADS, i am now free from HIV/ADS VIRUS after the use of his herbal medicine. Once more i say a big thank you Dr. Osagie for healing me, i say may God continue to bless you abundantly and give you more power to keep helping those that want your help in their lives. contact him now on his email: (drosagiesolutiontemple@gmail.com OR<br /> DROSAGIESOULTIONTEMPLE@YAHOO.COM <br />) or His Whatsapp number: +2347030465649... Dr osagie has also cured my friend Vivan from HERPES DISEASE, so if you are infected with HERPES DISEASE kindly contact Dr osagie right now..Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03558301682982916383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-24462228589194153662016-01-19T20:09:37.798+00:002016-01-19T20:09:37.798+00:00I think in the end it comes down to citizenship. I...I think in the end it comes down to citizenship. If you are a naturalised British citizen, you can vote in the EU referendum. If not, you can't.<br /><br />There is no such thing as Scottish citizenship - the country hasn't existed since 1707 - but, if there were such a thing - many of the half a million people you are now complaining about would have it. <br /><br />I find it really ironic being called a twat by somebody who thinks there is a pure line of Scots DNA surviving in this country and that referenda voting rights should be limited to those who possess it.<br /><br />And here are the finał results of the 2030 referendum: <br /><br />No - zero<br />Yes - zero<br />Spoiled ballots - zero<br />Total votes cast - zero<br /><br />I hereby call the referendum as a draw. Mr Salmond, you have the casting vote.............Mr Salmond?? Oh God, he's soiled himself again!<br />Aldohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03385445471036440872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-45285607045355335892016-01-17T21:14:28.489+00:002016-01-17T21:14:28.489+00:00You obviously are used to flinging Nazi connotatio...You obviously are used to flinging Nazi connotations at people who say things you don't like.<br /><br />Excuse me if I respond accordingly, to such obnoxious, offensive crap, in a way I think befits it.<br /><br />You don't like my response - well do not suggest that I might just be akin to a Nazi.<br /><br />If you do, I will similarly treat you as something sticking to my shoe.David Francishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07831337726172134852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-5130110458354828322016-01-17T20:59:40.085+00:002016-01-17T20:59:40.085+00:00Don't act like the persecuted martyr, David. N...Don't act like the persecuted martyr, David. Nobody's stopping you from saying what you want. If you want raise the idea of disenfranchising an entire section of the population based on their national original because it would be politically convenient then you have every right to do so. Just as other people have the right to say that such an idea is utterly disgusting and more befitting of the far right (And I'm talking even further to the right than UKIP) than anybody in a civilised, democratic society.Stoatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-43020689693304491082016-01-17T17:06:36.911+00:002016-01-17T17:06:36.911+00:00You are flogging a dead nag, pal.
I said there we...You are flogging a dead nag, pal.<br /><br />I said there were arguments out there on both sides of this and there are.<br /><br />I said that both had validity and they do - to the ones who are promoting them.<br /><br />Whether you or I think that any of them, on either side, have "merit" is totally beside the point.<br /><br />All I did was to ask a question on here and try to get a debate going on that question.<br /><br />As I said previously, I have clearly stated my opinion on it.David Francishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07831337726172134852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-21606914267526867462016-01-17T16:43:40.472+00:002016-01-17T16:43:40.472+00:00Okay, help me out, then. Complete this sentence: &...Okay, help me out, then. Complete this sentence: "An argument advanced by the UK government for basing the franchise on birth, and which I think has some merit, is..."keatonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-70455188682401097752016-01-17T16:13:44.626+00:002016-01-17T16:13:44.626+00:00I just did.I just did.David Francishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07831337726172134852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-12038256652498196012016-01-17T16:10:46.101+00:002016-01-17T16:10:46.101+00:00You are a bit of a twat, Aldo.
Firstly, I asked a...You are a bit of a twat, Aldo.<br /><br />Firstly, I asked a question - I did not propose anything.<br /><br />If you read my latest natter with another poster, this afternoon, you will also read my own opinion.<br /><br />But, seeing as you obviously equate disenfranchisement with being a Racist.......perhaps you could take up that small matter with your Tory Master in Westminster, who has disenfranchised around 3 Million EU citizens, presently living in, working in and paying their taxes in Britain and banned them from voting in the pending EU Referendum.<br /><br />I am sure all those Non-Brits - some of whom will also have been resident in the UK for forty years and will have grand kids here - will be delighted that you consider their treatment at the hands of Cameron, Osborne et al, as Racist. David Francishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07831337726172134852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-67282619371244354552016-01-17T16:05:34.044+00:002016-01-17T16:05:34.044+00:00I guess you're never going to give an actual e...I guess you're never going to give an actual example of one of these arguments.keatonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-65638117713167127132016-01-17T15:53:18.500+00:002016-01-17T15:53:18.500+00:00There are no indigenous Scots. If there ever were,...There are no indigenous Scots. If there ever were, they've long since been bred out of existence.<br /><br />What you are effectively saying is that the opinion of a 16 year old born in this country is of more value than that of a sixty year old born in England but who has lived, worked and paid taxes here for forty years. The aforementioned 16 year old could be his grandchild. How do you think the kid will feel about grandpa being disenfranchised? <br /><br />What you're proposing is racism, plain and simple. GWC's "natsi" jibe is right on the money as far as you are concerned.Aldohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03385445471036440872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-74192469227406603172016-01-17T15:27:47.284+00:002016-01-17T15:27:47.284+00:00I think the fact that the UK Govt is actually carr...I think the fact that the UK Govt is actually carrying this argument out, with legal authority behind it, validates it in the eyes of some up here.<br /><br />Whether you, or I, like that argument, is not really relevant to its validity. <br /><br />I have already given you my own opinion.David Francishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07831337726172134852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-39477041675744668292016-01-17T15:23:26.287+00:002016-01-17T15:23:26.287+00:00The arguments I have heard for disenfranchising ce...<i>The arguments I have heard for disenfranchising certain people, seem to mirror the ones espoused by the UK Govt, in respect of approx 3 Million EU citizens currently resident, working and paying taxes in Britain, being barred from voting in the pending EU Referendum - and the fact that this arrangement has been approved by all the necessary legal and political authorities.</i><br /><br />Can you give an example of such an argument which you think has some validity?keatonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-48973068373704099372016-01-17T15:07:19.628+00:002016-01-17T15:07:19.628+00:00The arguments I have heard for disenfranchising ce...The arguments I have heard for disenfranchising certain people, seem to mirror the ones espoused by the UK Govt, in respect of approx 3 Million EU citizens currently resident, working and paying taxes in Britain, being barred from voting in the pending EU Referendum - and the fact that this arrangement has been approved by all the necessary legal and political authorities.<br /><br />As for "fairness" - like "beauty", I suppose that is in the eye of the beholder.<br /><br />David Francishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07831337726172134852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-30160979480489092852016-01-17T15:00:06.534+00:002016-01-17T15:00:06.534+00:00Having played Devil's Advocate on here with it...<i>Having played Devil's Advocate on here with it, however, my own opinion is that we need to adhere to the same method of voting as we had in IndyRef1 - that anyone the age of 16 and over, who is resident in Scotland, gets a vote.<br /><br />The arguments for doing that, in my view, outweigh the arguments for not doing it.</i><br /><br />What are these arguments for not doing it, then, which you think have some merit? You still haven't said. For example, can you answer my own question in the previous post: why is it fairer to disenfranchise people based on birthplace than it is to do so based on gender?keatonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-25043591026409874362016-01-17T14:54:01.924+00:002016-01-17T14:54:01.924+00:00I posed a question...I did not make a proposal.
T...I posed a question...I did not make a proposal.<br /><br />The question arose during another, bigger debate I had recently, with exclusively Yes supporters.<br /><br />The question is being debated out there, no matter how much it offends you.<br /><br />Having played Devil's Advocate on here with it, however, my own opinion is that we need to adhere to the same method of voting as we had in IndyRef1 - that anyone the age of 16 and over, who is resident in Scotland, gets a vote.<br /><br />The arguments for doing that, in my view, outweigh the arguments for not doing it.<br /><br />Having now made my own opinion crystal clear, I must also reiterate that the contrary opinion is presently being actively discussed.David Francishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07831337726172134852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-85643784427732853842016-01-17T14:19:24.167+00:002016-01-17T14:19:24.167+00:00Whether you like it or not, there are conflicting ...<i>Whether you like it or not, there are conflicting and legitimate views on these issues and not only south of the Border.</i><br /><br />That's an appeal to authority, not a justification for your proposal.<br /><br />So tell me, why does it make more sense to disenfranchise people according to their place of birth than, say, their gender? After all, studies indicate that most men voted yes. Why should we be held back by women?keatonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-65927169559605922722016-01-17T14:11:52.326+00:002016-01-17T14:11:52.326+00:00No one's asked you to be banned from asking an...No one's asked you to be banned from asking any question. We have asked you to give a single reason why your proposal would be fair. So far, you haven't done so.keatonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-1602678463753910172016-01-17T12:18:54.796+00:002016-01-17T12:18:54.796+00:00Surely you must have missed something out on my &q...Surely you must have missed something out on my "resume"?<br /><br />Yep, rather than mention the issue Idid....I should probably be hung, drawn, quartered, boiled in oil, buried in an unmarked grave - and then dug up and go through it all again.<br /><br />I should definitely be banned and prevented from ever asking any "bad" question ever again. <br /><br />In fact, I should probably have been strangled at birth, wrapped in a Nazi flag and burned on a funeral pyre.<br /><br />I think that about covers it, eh? <br /><br />You really, really do not like questions, you do not like.<br /><br />Do you?David Francishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07831337726172134852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-53961981820787742532016-01-17T11:54:02.680+00:002016-01-17T11:54:02.680+00:00Good for you.
I doubt whether your "no doubt...Good for you.<br /><br />I doubt whether your "no doubts" will be shared by that majority I referred to.<br /><br />Time will tell........ no doubt.David Francishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07831337726172134852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-63794401369063311022016-01-17T11:50:04.359+00:002016-01-17T11:50:04.359+00:00I have no doubts. Excluding them would be a mista...I have no doubts. Excluding them would be a mistake. You could equally well say that because the over-65s voted NO, they should be excluded too. It's simply discrimination.smerralhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00485958340415489602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-69391217456835746722016-01-17T11:22:43.425+00:002016-01-17T11:22:43.425+00:00Those English folk are perfectly entitled to their...Those English folk are perfectly entitled to their overwhelming majority-view that Scotland should stay within the Union.<br /><br />That is not in dispute.<br /><br />I also think, given their demographics, that changing that view simply will not happen, no matter how hard we try.<br />They are pretty much wedded to the Union with England and will not shift from that view.<br />That is their right.<br /><br />My question is simply this - when there is another IndyRef and if the majority view of the indigenous Scots is, once again, to Leave the Union - do you think it would be acceptable to that majority, for the English vote to, once again swing the result to Remain?<br /><br />Personally - and given the potentially crucial effect of a second Referendum vote on this Country's future - I have my doubts. David Francishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07831337726172134852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-69453651412900912812016-01-17T11:10:40.491+00:002016-01-17T11:10:40.491+00:00That is your view and I accept it.
Does not take ...That is your view and I accept it.<br /><br />Does not take away from the fact that all the legal authorities and the political authorities both in Westminster and Brussels, have accepted that the EU Referendum voting-parameters are both fair and acceptable.<br /><br />These arrangements also seem to be accepted by most potential British voters themselves.<br /><br />Whether you like it or not, there are conflicting and legitimate views on these issues and not only south of the Border.David Francishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07831337726172134852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-66653690410351255972016-01-17T10:24:47.024+00:002016-01-17T10:24:47.024+00:00Interesting thought. I'm wondering if you have...Interesting thought. I'm wondering if you have any other interesting thoughts that are most certainly, 100% not recommendations. Maybe special English sections on the bus, somewhere at the back. Or maybe even a special marker so you can distinguish them. I'm thinking an armband with a yellow St. George's cross. Of course, it would only be a thought, I'm sure. Not a recommendation in the slightest. But something has to be done about those dastardly English, right?Stoatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-79371293168388580362016-01-17T08:44:37.412+00:002016-01-17T08:44:37.412+00:00Because while you might lump them together as '...Because while you might lump them together as 'The English', they didn't have a big secret meeting to organise a bloc vote so as to thwart the evil Scots.<br /><br />People who live here, and would live here afterwards, voted. Some voted for love of Scotland. Others for love of Britain. Others for no flag at all, but just for economics, or a desire to see a left-wing government. All valid choices, none of which are made less so by place of birth.<br /><br />It's a heck of a better system than inspecting birth certificates and disallowing someone who has spent their entire adult life here because their parents happened to be somewhere else when the baby dropped.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-9800943024312365482016-01-17T08:28:34.780+00:002016-01-17T08:28:34.780+00:00It's up to us to convince these people that it...It's up to us to convince these people that it's in their best interests to vote YES. Telling them that we don't like their decision because they are English is hardly the way to win them over eh? I'm also pretty sure that talking of such a move would also alienate many native Scots.smerralhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00485958340415489602noreply@blogger.com