tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post3301352001427437002..comments2024-03-28T13:13:12.506+00:00Comments on SCOT goes POP!: Drama as TNS poll reveals that Brexit has increased support for independence by more than expectedJames Kellyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01516007141763230886noreply@blogger.comBlogger106125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-18261549561351191822016-09-21T12:09:09.508+01:002016-09-21T12:09:09.508+01:00Hello Mick.
Firstly, yes, Verhofstadt is appointe...Hello Mick.<br /><br />Firstly, yes, Verhofstadt is appointed by the EU. But he needs to keep all 27 governments happy - and many have already rejected the idea of Scotland remaining in the EU. His personal opinions will have to be put to one side to satisfy the many national governments he serves. <br /><br />One of your own, Alex Neil, has said that Scotland will leave the EU with the rest of the UK. The internal issues of many countries + conventions of international diplomacy dictate that Scotland is a region and must leave with the parent state. We can then leave Britain and try to come back again - but that will be frought with difficulty and uncertainty (and there will be little appetite for it by the time brexit is completed).<br /><br />It's game over Mick, for a long, long time. Make peace with it. Scotland is leaving the EU.<br /><br />AldoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-48771629615245113712016-09-19T17:10:11.083+01:002016-09-19T17:10:11.083+01:00An out of touch tory twit that doesn't have a ...An out of touch tory twit that doesn't have a clue what they are talking about. That's a shocker.<br /><br />Verhofstadt is the EU's chief Brexit negotiator you ignorant clown. He is there specifically with the blessing of the 27 to do their bidding, voice their strategy and carry out negotiations <i>for</i> the 27.<br /><br />He's not some witless tory bystander or one of the hysterical and racist far-right tabloid rags you worship and emulate.<br /><br />"Britain's allies around the world - especially America - will be angered by the EU actively trying to break up Britain"<br /><br />And as for your touching childlike faith in Hillary or *snigger* Trump running to the terrified Yoons rescue - how did that turn out for the far more popular Obama running to the rescue of Cameron and the tory party for the Brexit vote?<br /> You totally misjudged that one too. As usual.<br /><br /><br />Or how about right now and the US swooping in to 'save' the hilarious clusterfuck of the three Brexit stooges and 'hideaway' May completely out of their depth and as unprepared for Brexit as they were 3 months ago?<br /><br /><br />David LiveyVerified account @DavidLivey Jul 27<br /><br />US rebuffed Liam Fox's attempts to open free trade negotiations, saying "meaningful" talks are impossible pre-Brexit<br /><br /><br />Oliver Rivers @maxrothbarth Sep 7<br /><br />US says we're indeed at back of queue, Aus ditto, & Japan says Brexit will harm its investment in UK. Brexit unravelling.<br />Boris Gump and May's Brexitearsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-85626095079313438352016-09-19T15:27:47.480+01:002016-09-19T15:27:47.480+01:00I think the governments of Spain, France, Italy, B...I think the governments of Spain, France, Italy, Belgium and of course our own British government might have something to say about that. New applicants and even recently admitted members who have to meet strict rules will balk at the idea of debt and deficit laden Scotland being allowed in just to satisfy the desire to keep together the old boys' club. Britain's allies around the world - especially America - will be angered by the EU actively trying to break up Britain and endangering the west's strategic military posture (Scotland contains Faslane and many military bases). <br /><br />It's just not going to happen, mein dickie old chum. It doesn't matter what one man says when you need the agreement of 27 member states and the blessing of the world's greatest powers. Scotland will have to exit the EU, as part of Britain, leave Britain, and then re apply as a new prospective member state. But our deficit is so huge, Turkey will make it in first. <br /><br />AldoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-90105929197520452562016-09-16T23:15:21.488+01:002016-09-16T23:15:21.488+01:00James Melville @JamesMelville Sep 9
Lead EU Bre...James Melville @JamesMelville Sep 9<br /><br />Lead EU Brexit negotiator, Guy Verhofstadt on Scotland:<br /><br /><b>"If they want to stay in the EU, they can stay in the EU."</b>Daily Mail Aldo, Stromfront Lite's 'Finest' LOLnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-35791407872007562452016-09-16T18:55:46.260+01:002016-09-16T18:55:46.260+01:00Another day, another poll. This time showing NO in...Another day, another poll. This time showing NO in the lead, 50-45. It also shows 54% opposed to a referendum rerun, in the immediate future, at least.<br /><br />And Alex Neil, SNP grandee, has said Scotland will exit europe and needs to make the best of the situation. <br /><br />Scotland can only ever hold another independence referendum if the EU gives us a cast iron guarantee that we will get in if the vote is yes. They wont ever offer such a guarantee - as it would itself influence the outcome of the vote. Without a guarantee of EU membership, the unionist side can demolish the yes campaign by raising the spectre of Scotland becoming completely isolated - out of Britain and out of Europe.<br /><br />It's not looking good, mein dickie old chums! And the wiser heads in your party - Strugglin evidently not being one of them - are starting to realise this.<br /><br />Off to get peeashed. Enjoy your Friday night!Aldohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03385445471036440872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-3075921699975099072016-09-16T17:05:25.798+01:002016-09-16T17:05:25.798+01:00Rooth The Mooth, accuses the FM that the NHS is in...Rooth The Mooth, accuses the FM that the NHS is in 'meltdown' - but fails to mention she is quoting from English NHS figures!!!! What a BritnatSi buffoon! Maligning her own Westminster government - could it be better??barpe49https://www.blogger.com/profile/03219391583724667200noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-81652207636588077642016-09-16T16:50:23.403+01:002016-09-16T16:50:23.403+01:00The Guardian @guardian
David Davis admits possibi...The Guardian @guardian<br /><br />David Davis admits possibility of UK exiting EU without trade dealBoris Gump and May's Brexitearsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-19066880589898529292016-09-16T02:15:47.131+01:002016-09-16T02:15:47.131+01:00Ask Aldo. He has the perfect Tory answer to everyt...Ask Aldo. He has the perfect Tory answer to everythingAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-9948322062472286552016-09-16T01:10:37.587+01:002016-09-16T01:10:37.587+01:00Why do you Tories want to keep us in your union wh...Why do you Tories want to keep us in your union when you say that we are such a drain on England's finances? Sockpuppet!<br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-20575795923018983172016-09-16T00:28:22.805+01:002016-09-16T00:28:22.805+01:00Sturgeon is just a public servant beaurocrat and h...Sturgeon is just a public servant beaurocrat and her job is not required. We managed well before the Scottish Parliament which was supposed to stop the excesses of the Tories. And now we have the Nat sis carrying on with Tory policies. Tartan Tories is not a joke now but a reality.Glasgow Working Class 2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-61272788406325115972016-09-15T21:00:54.566+01:002016-09-15T21:00:54.566+01:00"I agree that to an extent that's compari..."I agree that to an extent that's comparing apples and oranges."<br /><br /><br />That's big of you since there is absolutely zero ambiguity about whether the two questions are asking the same thing.<br /><br />“Are you satisfied or dissatisfied with the way Ruth Davidson is doing her job as leader of the Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party?”<br /><br />“Are you satisfied or dissatisfied with the way Nicola Sturgeon is doing her job as First Minister of Scotland?”<br /><br />Farcical. So the poll is indeed bollocks. Garbage in, garbage out. <br /><br />Though if it somehow convinces any fools still trapped in the westminster bubble that the Buffalo is the 'popular' face of unionism in scotland, then so much the better.Buffalo Wings with Yoon Media Saucenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-416104091251167382016-09-15T19:55:25.961+01:002016-09-15T19:55:25.961+01:00No,democracyNo,democracybringitonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10712089398887269381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-48794791741706362742016-09-15T19:11:54.498+01:002016-09-15T19:11:54.498+01:00Unionist always listen to the OBR (according to Al...Unionist always listen to the OBR (according to Alistair Darling - "a part of the Tory Party") and many other Think Tanks run by ex-Tory acolytes like The Centre for Policy Studies and Reform Scotland. <br /><br /><br /><br />And then, along comes Common Weal, a Scottish, non-Tory Think Tank - and it should not be listened to?<br /><br />Stupid,Tory rationale.David Francishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07831337726172134852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-29062168290802155852016-09-15T18:35:55.744+01:002016-09-15T18:35:55.744+01:00The poll suggests that people think Davidson is do...The poll suggests that people think Davidson is doing a better job as Tory leader than Sturgeon is as FM, though I agree that to an extent that's comparing apples and oranges.<br /><br />Not sure why Wings says it reports a "marginal" difference - Davidson's figure is 17 points higher than Sturgeon's.keatonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-46552867969207239202016-09-15T17:24:05.608+01:002016-09-15T17:24:05.608+01:00Wings Over Scotland @WingsScotland 5 hours ago
...Wings Over Scotland @WingsScotland 5 hours ago<br /><br />There are at least four pretty serious problems with today's Ipsos "leader satisfaction" poll:<br /><br />http://wingsoverscotland.com/dissatisfaction-guaranteed/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-77374815743415499022016-09-15T16:43:43.780+01:002016-09-15T16:43:43.780+01:00Davidson's approval ratings are now well ahead...Davidson's approval ratings are now well ahead of Sturgeon's, according to Ipsos MORI. It's very early days, obviously, but it'll be interesting to see if this can last. Every Holyrood election so far has been won by the party whose leader had the highest personal ratings.<br /><br /><a href="http://stv.tv/news/politics/1367060-poll-ruth-davidson-more-popular-with-scots-than-sturgeon/" rel="nofollow">http://stv.tv/news/politics/1367060-poll-ruth-davidson-more-popular-with-scots-than-sturgeon</a>keatonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-27600058977605132782016-09-15T16:25:36.434+01:002016-09-15T16:25:36.434+01:00I have been looking around the forums for a few ye...I have been looking around the forums for a few years and there are precious few places that can be relied on for hard undeniable facts. Facts that both sides agree on are probably a fantasy as to admit a weakness is bad tactic! Especially the economy! There are those that try to debate and those that try to disrupt debate and incite trouble. Possibly based on insecurity that their preferred choice is not reflected by those in the debate.<br />It doesn't help and is a waste of time and energy. <br />Scotland cannot support itself financially Westminster says so. GERS quoted sourced from Westminster department<br />Scotland Can support itself financially say other sources.<br />How is an undecided to decide when every fact is disputed? Each source discredited? and the waters are muddied beyond reason?<br />Maybe that's the point? <br />But as much as we would like to base every decision we make in life on hard irrefutable facts that's not always possible. Maybe even rarely possible?<br />How then do we decide?<br />This maybe totally off topic and deserve to be deleted, maybe it will be? Do the posts of GWC convince anyone to vote no? Does insulting a no voter convince them to vote yes? Does quoting any fact pro or anti carry any weight when it is refuted by the opposition?<br />So does that mean the decision is based on emotion?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-78214286362086245732016-09-15T16:08:59.121+01:002016-09-15T16:08:59.121+01:00Partitioning Scotland? Aye that worked a treat in ...Partitioning Scotland? Aye that worked a treat in Ireland.Provost Sluddenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11793960450021330292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-38156022609369180152016-09-15T15:17:51.219+01:002016-09-15T15:17:51.219+01:00Jim WatersonVerified account @jimwaterson Jun 28...Jim WatersonVerified account @jimwaterson Jun 28<br /><br />Sadiq Khan refuses to declare London independent from the rest of the UK. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-19199595210474113882016-09-15T14:10:40.047+01:002016-09-15T14:10:40.047+01:00If Southern Scotland wants to remain in the UK the...<i>If Southern Scotland wants to remain in the UK then that should be an option for them - same with Orkney and Shetland. Democracy in action - thought you guys were all for it?</i><br /><br />Has someone here said they aren't? I certainly have no problem with it. And from a partisan Yes point of view, the removal of the most heavily No-voting area has an obvious advantage.<br /><br />Judging from your obvious sarcasm, though, you seem to oppose these councillors' perfectly democratic proposal. I wonder why.keatonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-21609382009286445992016-09-15T13:33:04.621+01:002016-09-15T13:33:04.621+01:00Er...the independence campaign hasn't started ...Er...the independence campaign hasn't started yet. Maybe, like Theresa May believes, it is unwise to reveal all the details of ongoing plans and negotiations eh? Whatever you say Mr. unionist, it only requires a small swing for independence to succeed, as the YES vote has held up solid as a rock, despite the oil price fall, the Gers figures (a wonderful advertisement for the union BTW)etc. Your underwear must be getting slightly soiled now; I hope you have a good supply for the next few years. ;)smerralhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00485958340415489602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-25516650192313923952016-09-15T13:14:52.719+01:002016-09-15T13:14:52.719+01:00The Independent @Independent
Boris Johnson admi...The Independent @Independent <br /><br />Boris Johnson admits Brexit will not deliver on Vote Leave promise for immigration http://ind.pn/2bZP58k Bumblefuck tories for unitynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-89777990600275040362016-09-15T13:04:43.671+01:002016-09-15T13:04:43.671+01:00"The undecideds and the bottlers will put it ..."The undecideds and the bottlers will put it in the back of the net for 'remain'. I'm sure Cameron also has a few tricks up his sleeve to deploy in the dying days of the campaign." <br /><br />AldoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-90633702122616483222016-09-15T13:04:03.034+01:002016-09-15T13:04:03.034+01:00"The undecideds and the bottlers will put it ..."The undecideds and the bottlers will put it in the back of the net for 'remain'. I'm sure Cameron also has a few tricks up his sleeve to deploy in the dying days of the campaign." <br /><br />AldoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-39301511388692726122016-09-15T13:02:59.692+01:002016-09-15T13:02:59.692+01:00"The undecideds and the bottlers will put it ...<b>"The undecideds and the bottlers will put it in the back of the net for 'remain'. I'm sure Cameron also has a few tricks up his sleeve to deploy in the dying days of the campaign."</b><br /><br /><br />AldoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com