tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post3236810101346246963..comments2024-03-28T15:31:24.324+00:00Comments on SCOT goes POP!: SNP win the European elections - and the big losers are blundering Peter Kellner, and the BBC results programmeJames Kellyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01516007141763230886noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-30303125298553158182014-05-27T02:51:50.199+01:002014-05-27T02:51:50.199+01:00Erratum: "...Ataturk would have kicked his tr...Erratum: "...Ataturk would have kicked his trolling..."Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02975588480290026016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-38337626090373483002014-05-27T02:47:39.514+01:002014-05-27T02:47:39.514+01:00This gentleman posting as "Niko" and of ...This gentleman posting as "Niko" and of purported Greek extraction would, actually, seem to have more in common with the decadent and decaying elements of the Ottoman variation on the "Union".<br /><br />Both Grivas and Ataturk his trolling , opportunist bahookie (as would have the Greek Colonels, whom he seems to admire) for his Great Game divisive gambits in the fashion of the imperial British security services in his theoretical heartland (and elsewhere in the previously imperial pink world).<br /><br />Ergo,am curious about this individual's (s's) background(s). <br /><br />Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02975588480290026016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-5858228677409704442014-05-26T16:27:17.365+01:002014-05-26T16:27:17.365+01:00Good point!Good point!Sandy Brownleenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-64186776218128092652014-05-26T15:42:18.883+01:002014-05-26T15:42:18.883+01:00"as from a campaigning point of view those ar...<i>"as from a campaigning point of view those are what would really need to change to impact on the result."</i><br /><br />Yes, but the reality is that an extra 30,000 votes would have been a much tougher hurdle for the Greens than it would have been for a bigger party like the SNP (or Labour).James Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01516007141763230886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-66788303249421485032014-05-26T15:31:02.844+01:002014-05-26T15:31:02.844+01:00You're right, I have the same numbers. Labour ...You're right, I have the same numbers. Labour are 24461 short of the third seat after division by 3, meaning they'd have needed an extra 73383 real votes to take the 6th seat.<br /><br />I was commenting based on the absolute extra numbers of votes needed - as from a campaigning point of view those are what would really need to change to impact on the result. The numbers after d'Hondt is applied are somewhat artificial - they all start to look pretty close after a few rounds.Sandy Brownleenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-86138236655941945762014-05-26T14:38:48.760+01:002014-05-26T14:38:48.760+01:00Hi Sandy, unless I've made a mistake Labour we...Hi Sandy, unless I've made a mistake Labour were also closer to the final seat than the Tories and the Greens were (after the d'Hondt calculation, I mean, not in terms of the absolute number of extra votes they would have needed).<br /><br />I make it -<br /><br />UKIP 140534<br />SNP 129834.3<br />Labour 116073<br />Conservatives 115665<br />Greens 108305<br />Liberal Democrats 95319James Kellynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-76917064149583700162014-05-26T13:35:50.585+01:002014-05-26T13:35:50.585+01:00Of course, above should say "SNP, Greens and ...Of course, above should say "SNP, Greens and Tories were the closest contenders..."Sandy Brownleenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-52012240182021130162014-05-26T13:33:15.828+01:002014-05-26T13:33:15.828+01:00As you say James, I don't think too much can b...As you say James, I don't think too much can be read in to this - turnout was way less than half what it's predicted to be in the referendum. On the bright side, as the Rev points out this will at least mean that one of the pro-union voices in the next few months will be a Kipper, which is surely good for Yes.<br /><br />On the tactical voting front, I was one of many who considered voting green (though ultimately I went SNP given the polling evidence that they were closer). As it turns out, SNP and Tories were the closest contenders to take the seat the UKIP took. By my reckoning, in the final round, SNP were short of UKIP by 10699.7 votes (after division), the Tories were 24869 short (after division), and Greens were 32229 short. The SNP would have needed 3x10699.7=32099 more votes to take the 6th seat, the tories 49738, and greens (having a divisor of 1) just those 32229. So the SNP were marginally closer to taking the seat than the Greens - and with hindsight would have been the best recipient for anti-UKIP tactical voting.Sandy Brownleenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-79331410788933480032014-05-26T13:25:17.342+01:002014-05-26T13:25:17.342+01:00Niko, 1/4 of people who voted UKIP plan to vote Ye...Niko, 1/4 of people who voted UKIP plan to vote Yes in September. Yes might not like that idea but normal countries have both a right and a left. There are also Tories for Yes, Labour for Yes, Libs...<br /><br />Anyway, UKIP have likely just guaranteed a Yes. Social media full of No and DK to Yes switchers this morning. That and shy Yes coming out.<br /><br />Thanks Nigel. You may have just ended the union.<br /><br />The cross-border difference is so incredibly stark. Hilarious the way the MSM is trying to hide it desperately. UK returns comfortably over 51% Tory/Extreme Tory, Scotland just over 1/4 on a low turnout. <br /><br />No polishing this turd for BT. They'd be better not advertising oor wee kipper at all.Scottish_Skiernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-88742885258925147702014-05-26T12:27:14.380+01:002014-05-26T12:27:14.380+01:00Hmm, quite apart from the low turnout, that assume...Hmm, quite apart from the low turnout, that assumes Niko that you can add up all the unionist party votes in the NO column. Not so. I believe there are quite a number of kippers in the YES column. I'm not sure of the numbers - I'm sure Scottish_Skier has an idea. ;)smerralhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00485958340415489602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-9903839731827561062014-05-26T11:50:40.541+01:002014-05-26T11:50:40.541+01:00Are you even aware of yourself and what you have b...Are you even aware of yourself and what you have become Niko?<br /><br />It was a 33.5% turnout by the way, hardly yer massive loyal unionist vote.<br /><br />Still planning to be 'massively loyal unionist' and retired in Cyprus after the vote?<br /><br />bracoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-29932913999715285312014-05-26T11:34:23.468+01:002014-05-26T11:34:23.468+01:00you are going to lose the referendum big time
Lab...you are going to lose the referendum big time<br /><br />Labour 25.9%<br /><br />SNP 28.9&<br /><br />Ukip 10.4%<br /><br />Con 25.9%<br /><br />Lib Dems 7.1%<br /><br />Green 8.1%<br /><br />do the math the loyal unionist vote is massive compared<br />to the puny pro-nat vote<br /><br />a ukiper wins under a snp dictatorship who would of<br />believed up to today......not me !!!<br /><br />you lot are toast..like Cleggy nikohttp://nikosbar.blogspot.co.uk/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-29172890737403643362014-05-26T03:31:51.732+01:002014-05-26T03:31:51.732+01:00Very upsetting that UKIP sneaked in between SNP an...Very upsetting that UKIP sneaked in between SNP and Greens. I don't think that folk should transfer that obvious disappointment directly onto the referendum campaign. <br /><br /><br />These UK EU election results will be the required eye opener they always promised to be. The average Scottish Labour voter will certainly not share in their betterNO leadership's celebrations of this UKIP seat gain in Scotland as proof that 'we are all as bad as each other on these Islands, so lets just carry on regardless!'<br /><br /><br />The truth of the situation is quite easy to understand especially when reported as crudely as it is being on the BBC and MSM. UKIP 29% crushing victory in England! SNP 29% crushing failure in Scotland!<br /><br /><br />Meanwhile Labour are struggling to get second place in England and may actually end up behind the Tories with only a year until the UK general election!<br /><br />All this added to the fact that the betterNO campaign now have a new, highly vocal freshly elected (in a blaze of publicity) rightwing voice in their midsts. A unionist voice they can't simply refuse to let join their unionist alliance by dismissing him as irrelevant to Scottish politics (a line used up until now). <br /><br />I think this will damage betterNO much more than we can imagine, by ramming a wedge between the leadership and their soft 'sensible' Labour NO voters. All aided and abetted by an overly helpful BBC and MSM.<br /><br />bracoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-43928131232524372362014-05-26T01:46:27.620+01:002014-05-26T01:46:27.620+01:0029% or so is a good result for the SNP as a party,...29% or so is a good result for the SNP as a party, but as everyone knows, the proximity of the referendum has set the bar far higher. We need an awful lot of people who voted for Unionist parties to vote Yes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-88649059242783252792014-05-26T01:28:42.497+01:002014-05-26T01:28:42.497+01:00As predicted, the out of touch PB twits like South...As predicted, the out of touch PB twits like SouthamObserver are claiming Salmond was awful for pointing out the bleeding obvious. The SNP won. What part of that don't the imbeciles get?<br /><br />So the BBC view is -<br /><br />Triumph for UKIP who win EU election in rUK on 29% of vote Blow for SNP who win EU election in Scotland on 29% of vote.<br /><br />Unspoofable.Mick Porknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-48756826222371082502014-05-26T01:03:56.975+01:002014-05-26T01:03:56.975+01:00Surely only a matter of time before the out of tou...Surely only a matter of time before the out of touch PB tories and Smithson declare winning in scotland is a 'disaster for Salmond'.<br /><br />LOL<br /><br />They really are that clueless over there. What happened after the 2009 result that this SNP result tonight seems to mirror? <br /><br />Landslide win for the SNP. <br /><br />So yeah, winning with that vote is a <b>real</b> bad result for the SNP, isn't it?<br /><br />*chortle*<br /><br />The kipper surge is entirely in line with what last May and all the polling trends since was indicating would happen. Not that those of us who kept pointing that out were listened to of course.<br /><br />It also looks like those of us who have been saying Clegg is toxic for years have been proved 100% correct yet again. <br /><br />Wee Danny Alexander apparently claimed on Radio 4 that Clegg was the lib dems <b>"strongest asset".</b><br /><br />Pure Comedy Gold.<br /><br />That'll be precisely why the lib dem's utterly incompetent leadership are most accurately described as Clegg's ostrich faction.<br /><br />I still doubt any of the would be lib dem leadership hopefulls actually have the balls to challenge Clegg. So happily he'll keep driving the yellow tories to the outer fringes they so rightly deserve.<br /><br />As for the pitiful BBC coverage, no change there then. Exactly what did they expect would happen when they had wall to wall kipper coverage for months? Doesn't matter that the tories and right-wing press were attacking them for most of that time. They are a protest vote so just like last May that was always going to backfire. They want publicity and as much of it as possible. When they are ignored their polling starts to tank, just like it did after last May.Mick Porknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-40467749202033640162014-05-26T00:56:48.989+01:002014-05-26T00:56:48.989+01:00What were you expecting from english imperialists?...What were you expecting from english imperialists? Scotland is a sad little colony about which they couldn't give a fk.<br /><br /> And it is yet another election where Scotland suffers because of the broadcasting of the english campaign into our homes 24/7.<br /><br /> Elections are supposed to be Free and Fair. When was the last time that happened here?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com