tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post2662066742440825741..comments2024-03-29T01:33:01.670+00:00Comments on SCOT goes POP!: Careful, Nick : automatic recourse to 'moderation' might just lead you to CalamityJames Kellyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01516007141763230886noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-1568676185616111252012-01-08T11:37:40.948+00:002012-01-08T11:37:40.948+00:00Ken MacIntosh, Michael Moore and now Nick Clegg.
...Ken MacIntosh, Michael Moore and now Nick Clegg.<br /><br />We're not Unionists we're Devolutionists is the cry.<br /><br />It's funny how they dislike being labeled with the cause they're fighting for.<br /><br />It's also funny as committed devolutionists that none of them has come up with more devolved powers for Scotland to go in that empty Devo-Max option on the independence referendum ballot paper.<br /><br />There's nationalism and unionism. Unionism has two subgroups, devolution and federalism and for Clegg, MacIntosh and Moore to call themselves Devolutionists not Unionists is the direct equivalent of shouting out, "We're not birds we're ducks".<br /><br />Sitting ducks in this case.DougtheDughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02952281599715356995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-7069992115105797622012-01-07T16:13:19.491+00:002012-01-07T16:13:19.491+00:00You may be right there ratzo. I neglected to inves...You may be right there ratzo. I neglected to investigate Moore's background, assuming that either he was working on orders from above, or that he was doing his best to keep a good record with Cameron in the hopes of promotion, or of a safe Tory seat when the Liberals are no longer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-70099432910846914642012-01-07T13:58:19.022+00:002012-01-07T13:58:19.022+00:00Besides the logical fallacy, the rhetoric is very ...Besides the logical fallacy, the rhetoric is very tired. Extremism is a dog whistle for irrational and all the evils that can be summoned up in association with irrational, such as dogmatic, fanatical, and dangerous. For Unionists that always includes a hint that the SNP are fascists.<br />No argument is made for the truth of soi-disant Home Rule. Its not said what this notion is or how so many people know about it. There is an (unsupported) assertion of 'evidence' - with the quasi-scientific implication of 'objective', disinterested, rational, and so on; and again the opposite implication of emotional irrational, extreme, just-possibly-fascist, etc etc.<br /><br />The rhetoric is really tired and old. And the logic is, as James observes, simply fallacious.<br /> <br />Behind it is a deep fear of the word 'unionist' that comes from its association with Irish politics - and 'extremism'. <br /><br />This fear comes directly from Michael Moore, whose family background was in Northern Ireland, and who is clearly a Unionist Fundamentalist (on the evidence of his outright, hard-line, rejection of everything that has come his way from the SNP).ratzohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17512152633620132970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-72862688474571070292012-01-07T13:53:05.830+00:002012-01-07T13:53:05.830+00:00I suspect that the need to ingratiate himself with...I suspect that the need to ingratiate himself with Mr Cameron has pulled Mr Clegg's federalist inclinations back to the Blairite vision of a parish council in each of the Celtic capitals.<br /><br />Maybe that would explain why Michael Moore was inclined to say, "No, no, no", to Mr Salmond's requests for more powers to deal with the economic problems facing Scotland. My initial assumption had been that he had felt himself overcome by desire to become a Thatcherite Tory, so that, later in this parliament when a suitable post became available, Cameron would promote him to a proper job within the cabinet...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com