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Day 4 (UK time) and <i>still</i> no takers. While we wait, a new post - <a href="http://scotgoespop.blogspot.com/2010/06/smallest-minority-individual-alone-and.html" rel="nofollow">The smallest minority : the individual, alone and abandoned</a>.James Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01516007141763230886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-24983298960079349322010-06-11T23:42:37.587+01:002010-06-11T23:42:37.587+01:00Anon - James knows this. It has been pointed out ...Anon - James knows this. It has been pointed out to him, he's just willfully ignorant.<br /><br />Hell, the deadliest school massacre in U.S. history was the Bath School Disaster committed by Andrew Kehoe in 1927 (back when the U.S. had very little gun control to speak of) He did not use any firearms.Mike W.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03425962910696301026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-90067752319982546022010-06-11T21:54:19.304+01:002010-06-11T21:54:19.304+01:00You seem to be stuck on the idea that people can&#...You seem to be stuck on the idea that people can't kill efficiently or quickly without the aid of firearms. This thought flies in the face of historical fact.<br /><br />If you look at a list of the deadliest single day battles in history you will find that people can kill with a surfeit of efficiency with blades and spears and arrows.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-81301705521035860292010-06-11T21:09:41.663+01:002010-06-11T21:09:41.663+01:00You are absolutely right, James - I am desperate. ...You are absolutely right, James - I am desperate. I am desperately hoping for some glimmer of understanding regarding the words you keep flinging about with reckless abandon, as if their mere presence or invocation gives power or weight to your "argument", such as it is (namely, "logic", and "reason"). I am desperately hoping for some indication that you can at least identify facts, much less understand them as being facts. I am desperately hoping that someone cannot honestly exist in such a solipsistic and self-righteous world as the one you would have us believe you live in. <br /><br />I should thank you, though, for convincing me that I am desperately wasting my time. <br /><br />To put it very simply for you, James, since you seem hell-bent on continuing to maliciously distort other people's words whenever you perceive the chance to do so, you cannot accept the definition of commonly-used words as an accepted fact, so there is no point in answering any of your questions, given that any communication between us will be intentionally and immediately rendered useless.. by you. If the language used for discussions is not yet settled upon, that is the only thing available <em>to</em> discuss, until such time as it can be settled... and, to put it frankly, I am not at all interested in engaging in a semantical debate over predefined words with someone who flagrantly <em>re</em>defines words, warps other people's words, and engages in as much projection as you do. <br /><br />Yes, I have made this argument a few times now, namely because I was desperately hoping (there I go again) that rephrasing it in a few slightly different ways would facilitate your understanding at some point, but, thank you, again, for explaining to me, in no uncertain terms, that you have absolutely no interest in what we have to say, at any time. Yes. Because that is <em>exactly</em> the attitude that is going to encourage people to answer your questions (Go ahead, call them "logical" again - if you say it a few more times, it might become true!).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-38569808356025840372010-06-11T17:50:54.818+01:002010-06-11T17:50:54.818+01:00Point taken, I'll be sure to demand a helmet j...Point taken, I'll be sure to demand a helmet just to be on the safe side when I'm pitching to...anyone other than you. <br /><br />Now, you'd best scurry off and replace your own worn-out helmet.James Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01516007141763230886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-30445456244693983752010-06-11T17:43:19.231+01:002010-06-11T17:43:19.231+01:00That's an illogical response. (typical for you...That's an illogical response. (typical for you) As the batter I've been wearing a helmet, whereas you're pitching and are thus exposed to repeated blows to the head. :)Mike W.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03425962910696301026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-59195856471898694442010-06-11T16:31:51.335+01:002010-06-11T16:31:51.335+01:00Although unfortunately you keep smashing them stra...Although unfortunately you keep smashing them straight into your own head (while remaining splendidly oblivious of the fact).James Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01516007141763230886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-69140737200108154762010-06-11T16:25:18.460+01:002010-06-11T16:25:18.460+01:00Is anyone going to step up to the plate? Ever?
Y...<i>Is anyone going to step up to the plate? Ever? </i><br /><br />Yup, I've been hitting your softballs out of the park since last summer (along with Kevin, Linoge, UJ and others)<br /><br />You just keep lobbing them up to get smashed.Mike W.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03425962910696301026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-25770995470157359042010-06-11T16:06:35.480+01:002010-06-11T16:06:35.480+01:00As Columbo might say - I'm a little confused h...As Columbo might say - I'm a little confused here, Linoge. You and Ed both told me earlier that it was already absolutely self-evident to the world and his pet chihuahua that my argument has been completely destroyed, obliterated, pulverised, devoured, crucified, etc, etc, etc....<br /><br />So why do you feel the need to pop up with yet another epic, venomous and frankly slightly deranged comment? Something isn't adding up.<br /><br />Let me put this to you. Ed kept urging people to read the relevant thread at Kevin's blog to discover the full extent of my dastardly 'chicanery'. Well, I am - to use the vogue phrase - rather <i>relaxed</i> about that prospect. Indeed, I'm so relaxed about it that (to Ed's obvious and rather amusing frustration) I posted a link to that thread and invited people to look for themselves before it ever occurred to him to do so.<br /><br />As for your excuses for failing to engage with my perfectly logical objections to Nate's claimed evidence that gun legality helps to prevent crime...dear God. One word - desperate. If anyone had any doubt about my 'circular logic' point, you've just comprehensively removed it. In order to make a debate meaningful (ie. in order for you to feel any sense of obligation to respond to awkward questions that undermine your 'proof') the "underlying tenets of those topics" have to be agreed-upon...by you. In other words, the person asking the question has to first accept your 'proof' before the question can be deemed legitimate. A cynic might suspect that the only question that could ever meet that impossible test would be something along the lines of "now tell me some more about why you're so right?"<br /><br />Now THAT'S what I call "Reasoned Discourse ©™®".James Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01516007141763230886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-58608878701752523942010-06-11T11:55:08.122+01:002010-06-11T11:55:08.122+01:00But it wasn't too hard for me to demonstrate t...<em>But it wasn't too hard for me to demonstrate there was one deliberate lie on this thread, and it didn't come from me.</em> <br /><br />And that, right there, is why you fail. <br /><br />You refuse to acknowledge the basic facts regarding the construction of the English language, to the point where you would subvert, distort, and abuse that language in some ham-fisted attempt to "prove" that you were not lying, and, in the same breath, claim that Ed (who has taken the time to actually provide the necessary proof to support his opinion all the way down the underlying definitions of the words at play... unlike, say, <em>you</em>) somehow is lying. <br /><br />That is why your ten cute little questions are completely meaningless, and completely irrelevant to the discussion at play - throughout that discussion, you have systemically demonstrated that you do not even understand the words you used in those questions, and evne if we were to answer them sufficiently and adequately, even going down to the root definitions of the words at play, you would simply discard our answers as insufficient, simply because you do not want to have to face them. <br /><br />For example, take my comment of "stop demanding that we join you in your self-inflicted cess-pool" - it had absolutely <em>nothing</em> to do with this weblog, commenting here, or anything of the nature, and yet you maliciously misrepresented those words in order to score some kind of point in your ad hominem attack against me. Congratulations - just another reason why having anything even approximating a conversation with you is pointless. <br /><br />Discussions over topics are meaningless unless the underlying tenets of those topics are agreed-upon, and given that you have proven a remarkable lack of understanding regarding "facts", "statistics", "the English language", and "truth", the discussion will naturally have to devolve to those points before anything even approximating progress can be made. <br /><br />The only one with a massive case of projection, as well as a mind-numbing case of ressentiment, here, James, is you, and you prove it, yourself, with almost every single comment.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-4817487535268008702010-06-11T04:31:16.539+01:002010-06-11T04:31:16.539+01:00Lie about what has been said here? Lie about it w...Lie about what has been said here? Lie about it where? Here? What would be the point of that? And what was the lie that Ed with his Nostradamus-like powers somehow knew I was going to tell? Very hard to keep track of all this.<br /><br />But it wasn't too hard for me to demonstrate there was one deliberate lie on this thread, and it didn't come from me. No wonder Ed has departed the scene.James Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01516007141763230886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-3131613660854605262010-06-11T04:19:42.648+01:002010-06-11T04:19:42.648+01:00He posted the link in case you decide to LIE about...He posted the link in case you decide to LIE about what has been said here, which is not out of the question given your prior behavior.Mike W.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03425962910696301026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-26635171143219106342010-06-11T04:12:28.572+01:002010-06-11T04:12:28.572+01:00Why would I be concerned that you'd posted a l...Why would I be concerned that you'd posted a link? What is there to distort? Odd comment.<br /><br />Godspeed, Ed. You take the sunshine with you.James Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01516007141763230886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-13852427727515114802010-06-11T04:04:34.345+01:002010-06-11T04:04:34.345+01:00Typical…
It was not necessary for Linoge and JebT...Typical…<br /><br />It was not <i>necessary</i> for Linoge and JebTexas to weigh in, though I appreciate their input. I didn't feel the need to call for help* because there is no more to write.<br /><br />As Linoge correctly pointed out, all the ground has been covered. Every detail of this 'discussion' is available for any passerby to examine at their leisure. Your chicanery is laid bare for all to see.<br /><br />I hope you open your eyes to reality <i>before</i> it blindsides you.<br /><br />I'm done here.<br /><br /><i>(* A Note, because James will almost certainly try to distort events again: I did post a link to this page early this morning before I started commenting simply because I saw you had a new post up. <a href="http://js-kit.com/api/static/pop_comments?ref=http%3A%2F%2Fsmallestminority.blogspot.com%2F&title=The%20Smallest%20Minority&path=%2F1368449298449928806&standalone=no&scoring=yes&backwards=no&sort=date&thread=yes&permalink=http%3A%2F%2Fjs-kit.com%2Fapi%2Fstatic%2Fpop_comments%3Fref%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fsmallestminority.blogspot.com%252F%26path%3D%252F1368449298449928806&skin=echo&smiles=no&editable=yes&thread-title=Echo&popup-title=Echo&page-title=The%20Smallest%20Minority" rel="nofollow">As anyone can see</a>, it was not a call for help.)</i>Ed "What the" Heckmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-85636957291863657242010-06-11T03:09:22.014+01:002010-06-11T03:09:22.014+01:00Ah, Linoge. I think we can safely assume Ed is in...Ah, Linoge. I think we can safely assume Ed is in some trouble here if one of the KBFC's two Walking, Talking Slabs Of Pure Offensiveness finally feels the need to weigh in on enemy territory. As for me "demanding your presence", I don't know where you get the impression you're remotely welcome. You moan when I prevent you commenting here as well - jeez, will you guys ever get the party line straight?<br /><br />In this case I'm grateful for you popping by, though, because you've just provided an even more - indeed, far more - outstanding example of an "it's been proved because I insist WITH CONVICTION that it has been" post. <br /><br />Ed did indeed make a statement. He then produced some statistics which had no particular relevance to that statement one way or the other. However in classic KBFC fashion he simply asserted that the statistics somehow proved his statement, and then sat back to admire his handiwork. I pointed out his error of logic, but he responded by bizarrely pretending I had instead made the claim that "no murders take place without guns" and that this made me a lunatic. Now, even if we very generously assume that he might have somehow misconstrued my meaning <i>at that point</i> (for that we'd have to buy into his hurried retrospective redefinition of the word 'will'), given that I then clarified what I actually meant and he appeared to understand it, how else can his first post on this thread be interpreted as anything other than a conscious, deliberate, cynical attempt to deceive?<br /><br />As for this business of "screaming", "railing", "running around in circles", "beating little fists against the floor", etc, etc, all I can see right now from you is a very rattled, angry man spewing out venom, rage and ridicule about a point of pedantry to cover up for the fact that he doesn't feel equipped - for whatever reason - to constructively engage with my ten perfectly reasonable, logical <a href="http://scotgoespop.blogspot.com/2010/06/why-being-right-isnt-good-enough-for.html" rel="nofollow">questions</a>. You and your fellow travellers boast endlessly about having proved things beyond dispute, and rail against the world for being too stupid to notice - well, step up to the plate, my man, because the test of <i>authentic</i> proof is that it can stand up to rigorous scrutiny and robust questioning. So what's it to be, Linoge - reason and debate, or the transparent distraction strategy of yet more mindless abuse based on hair-splitting points of pedantry? <br /><br />I'm guessing the latter.James Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01516007141763230886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-40017898604859920952010-06-11T02:17:25.591+01:002010-06-11T02:17:25.591+01:00A 'fact' has been 'proved' because...<em>A 'fact' has been 'proved' because we say it has.</em> <br /><br />Amusingly, false. It has been proven because Ed provided all of the substantiation, support, examples, and citations necessary to show that you successfully managed to put your foot, up to your knee, in your mouth, and chewed. He said something, you misunderstood/mischaracterized (possibly maliciously, in both cases) it, and responded based on that flawed reasoning. He called you for your fallacious response, and ever since, you have been running around in circles, beating your little fists against the floor, screaming that you are right, and he is wrong. <br /><br />Do you want to know why Ed won and you lost? Probably not, but I am going to type it anywise, simply because it has relevance to every other "debate" (and I use that term loosely, given that someone as unarmed as you makes them <em>very</em> one-sided) you have engaged in thus far. He made a statement. He substantiated it. He spelled out the underpinnings of it. And he kept providing more facts to substantiate that statement, even going so far as to provide the definitions of very basic words when it became obvious you still were not understanding what he was saying (hence my belief that misunderstanding was malicious). <br /><br />You, on the other hand, in all of your furious typing, screaming, railing, arguing, prostelyzing, and Lord-alone knows what else, have never made it past "he made a statement". <br /><br />Until you can understand that you have to move past that point, until you can grasp that "facts" and "opinions" are not equivalent and are not interchangeable in arguments, and until you show even the barest glimmer of understanding of either logic or basic debating form, you will continue to regularly have your ass handed to you, and you will not even be able to understand why. <br /><br />Honestly (since you seem to value honesty, which is all manner of ironic from someone who places no value on facts), that is a shameful, pathetic existance to lead, but it is your choice, and you are welcome to it. Just try to stop demanding that we join you in your self-inflicted cess-pool, k?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-50990610679086587212010-06-11T00:53:57.522+01:002010-06-11T00:53:57.522+01:00"I think Ed has pretty well already destroyed...<i>"I think Ed has pretty well already destroyed your position here and proven that you are guilty of the sophistry you accuse him of."</i><br /><br />I'm going to try to avoid getting sucked into Mike's pointless drivel-fests in future, but it is worth highlighting this comment, because it's such a textbook example of how the KBFC like to conduct 'debate'. A 'fact' has been 'proved' because <i>we say it has</i>. You have logical objections or questions about those facts? I'm sorry, those are not <i>legitimate</i> objections or questions. Why not? Because they are put forward by a <i>loony</i> who is <i>not arguing honestly</i>. How do you know he's a loony and not arguing honestly? BECAUSE HE DARES TO QUESTION OUR FACTS!!!!!<br /><br />Genius. Kevin should rename his blog Circular Logic Fix Of The Day. In fact it's a great pity he's not a man of faith, because I'm quite sure he'd have long ago scientifically validated for us the existence of God.<br /><br />Meanwhile, we've now moved into Day 3 (UK time) of my challenge to the KBFC to demonstrate their claim that they have watertight, comprehensive proof of their case, by engaging seriously with the ten straightforward objections I raised in relation to the alleged proof that legal gun ownership has a social benefit, and by explaining why none of the issues I raised negates (or indeed totally overwhelms) the supposed benefits. Forty-eight hours in, all we've seen is a wall of silence and distraction.<br /><br />Is <b>anyone</b> going to step up to the plate? Ever?James Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01516007141763230886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-45881082514547471572010-06-10T19:44:18.067+01:002010-06-10T19:44:18.067+01:00As I will keep repeating: The problem here is a la...As I will keep repeating: The problem here is a lack of logic and critical thinking. Mr. Kelley and many of those that espouse his views are INCAPABLE of rational argument. One has only to follow this thread and those at Kevin's to see the truth of this. Astonishing to see him unable to address the simplest comment, and to change it to something he CAN argue against. We might as well argue with the floor. This is a 2+2=4 situation, and no amount of obfuscation will change the answer.JebTexasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-29275375421782230882010-06-10T18:40:28.807+01:002010-06-10T18:40:28.807+01:00James - I think Ed has pretty well already destroy...James - I think Ed has pretty well already destroyed your position here and proven that you are guilty of the sophistry you accuse him of.<br /><br />Ed - Good job. Mr. Kelly's continued obfuscation & evasion are sad aren't they? At least they're humorous.Mike W.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03425962910696301026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-62610906794909399502010-06-10T18:25:46.150+01:002010-06-10T18:25:46.150+01:00I am being honest. Your "doesn't even beg...I am being honest. Your <i>"doesn't even <b>begin</b> to prove"</i> objection was to "can (<b>and DO</b>)." I cannot accept your claim, because <i>your</i> characterization of what I wrote is <b>OBVIOUSLY</b> not accurate. It doesn't even match the plain meaning of what I originally wrote. (As amply demonstrated by yet another deliberate "misunderstanding": <i>"last will and testament"</i>.)<br /><br />So that's my question to you. Wouldn't it be simpler just to be honest and concede that your characterization of what I wrote was not accurate?Ed "What the" Heckmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-9597155406727907382010-06-10T18:17:46.258+01:002010-06-10T18:17:46.258+01:00A word of advice, Ed - just take a step back and c...A word of advice, Ed - just take a step back and consider whether you really want to test this fantastical, hair-splitting argument to destruction. Wouldn't it be simpler just to be honest and concede that your characterisation of what I said was not accurate?James Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01516007141763230886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-65030356457309133902010-06-10T18:12:07.730+01:002010-06-10T18:12:07.730+01:00Speaking of sophistry…
You took the parenthetical...Speaking of sophistry…<br /><br />You took the parenthetical word (will) and elevated it to the primary word in the sentence. Plus, you added "always" to the meaning of will, which is not demanded by the definition. (Though it can <i>sometimes</i> include the concept of always, that's only in definitions which do not apply in this context.)<br /><br />The primary word in my sentence was "can". And the updated sentence which specifically objected to did not even <i>use</i> the word "will." It used the word "do."<br /><br />Thank you for that perfect example of "sophistry."Ed "What the" Heckmannoreply@blogger.com