tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post2201941980554507761..comments2024-03-28T10:31:44.508+00:00Comments on SCOT goes POP!: Nigel's back!James Kellyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01516007141763230886noreply@blogger.comBlogger53125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-62937163548273962342014-09-10T13:08:22.730+01:002014-09-10T13:08:22.730+01:00" But it's really about Sky. "
Henc...<i>" But it's really about Sky. "</i><br /><br />Hence why the panicking and desperate spammer shrieking about Murdoch is so laughably out of touch. <br /><br />Sky have been <i>every bit</i> as amusingly biased as the BBC with their 'reports' on the Independence Referendum. Their round up of the newspaper front pages by utterly clueless westminster bubble 'pundits' in particular have become a comedy highlight for many in scotland.<br /><br /><br />Meanwhile we can only speculate on what deals little Ed and Cameron have done to ensure the overwhelmingly biased unionist coverage THEY HAVE ACTUALLY RECEIVED FOR YEARS. As opposed to some still theoretical endorsement with only DAYS to go. <br /><br /><b>LOL</b><br /><br />Nor do we have to look far to see what Dacre, Dirty Des, the Barclay Bros. and Trinity Mirror have already received for their years of No campaign scaremongering.<br /><br /><br />Leveson - <b>REJECTED</b> The watered down Royal Charter for press regulation the Press Barons still despised - <b>REJECTED</b> Then booted well past the 2015 election with nary a peep from the cowardly little Ed and Cameron.<br /><br />Of course if the No campaign wasn't a complete panicking joke then these westmisnter twits might have realised long ago that cowtowing to the likes of the repulsive Dacre, Dirty Des, the Barclay Bros. Trinity/Piers Morgan etc. to win the support of such papers wasn't actually too bright an idea.<br /><br /><br />Daily Mail, today, 10 September 2014. One's the Scottish edition. The other's not. #IndyRef pic.twitter.com/iQsioJmpX8<br /><br /><br /><br />I see Cameron's close friend, spindoctor and former Murdoch Editor Andy Coulson is still in Prison. Incredible irony considering Tommy Sheridan's hundred or so town hall meetings up and down scotland will have had <i>far</i> more effect on disillusioned labour voters than any amount of distrusted Newspaper headline drivel from Murdoch or anyone else. I expect Tommy is very much looking forward to the next trial involving Coulson even though Cameron most certainly won't be. :-)<br /><br /><br />As my lunchbreak is almost done I'll have a quick look in on a local Yes shop and be back out on the streets later to see how things are in the real world well away from the westminster twits staged PR stunts.Mick Porknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-37828014770365421642014-09-10T12:55:27.206+01:002014-09-10T12:55:27.206+01:00If it's Henry McLeish, then pffft.
If it'...If it's Henry McLeish, then pffft.<br /> <br />If it's Charles Kennedy, then hats of to Charlie but he's a bit of an irrelevance nowadays.<br /> <br />If it's Johann Lamont then whoa, I didn't see that coming!Craig Pnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-8259158947056003022014-09-10T12:43:56.122+01:002014-09-10T12:43:56.122+01:00@alex livinstone
That sounds likely. Place your b...@alex livinstone<br /><br />That sounds likely. Place your bets: Menzies Campbell would be big enough? :D<br /><br />XabiAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-31857455495237568282014-09-10T12:34:52.079+01:002014-09-10T12:34:52.079+01:00Maybe the sensational news is that a prominent Lab...Maybe the sensational news is that a prominent Labour or Lib Dem<br />is going to come out for Yesalex livingstonenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-65115730730924463512014-09-10T12:33:41.051+01:002014-09-10T12:33:41.051+01:00@Craig P
I don't know if chalks has a timetab...@Craig P<br /><br />I don't know if chalks has a timetable, but The Guardian live feed says that "there is a major [Salmond press conference] coming tomorrow".<br /><br />XabiAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-18883422286115839332014-09-10T12:20:59.858+01:002014-09-10T12:20:59.858+01:00Airforce1.
That is really interesting. What I can...Airforce1.<br /><br />That is really interesting. What I can't figure out is if the other shareholders would allow him to move BSkyB but he's in a very dominant position and it could indeed be what is coming. <br /><br />Meanwhile like everybody else I am trying to tease out what 'quite something' could mean as tweeted by Opinium boss about Opinium poll arriving at 10.30 tonight.<br /><br />A futile exercise in some ways but I think we CAN assume it is not just lying or pure hype. You could therefore deduce it does not duplicate any of the last two polls. Or a one point apart situation. None of these would be 'quite something'. It surely must then mean a fairish lead by Yes or No. 3-6 points maybe.<br /><br />The words could just about mean a NO lead of that figure but on the other hand it's not like that would be anything new. So on that point and the momentum we have seen a Yes lead by those figures (3-6) must surely be what is coming. Or (more far-fetched) some massive outlier Yes 7-10?<br /><br />And in case people wonder why a No person makes such a prediction, I would point out that the worst thing in any tough situation is uncertainty or a bad surprise. Better to deduce, know and get on.<br /><br /> <br /><br />Expatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-44087539533140652772014-09-10T12:17:04.773+01:002014-09-10T12:17:04.773+01:00Chalks... do you have a timetable for when your ne...Chalks... do you have a timetable for when your news is likely to go live?<br /> <br />It's Andy Murray, isn't it ;)Craig Pnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-41504974959488486092014-09-10T12:13:21.015+01:002014-09-10T12:13:21.015+01:00Really Expat what was the point of your post?
Your...Really Expat what was the point of your post?<br />Your drivel falls on stony ground on this blog.<br />What the fuck is the point of your hysterical bleating?<br /><br />I doubt that even you believe what you write nowadays. We certainly haven't since you started posting here.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04565579919684172507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-67576986304036479672014-09-10T12:10:56.377+01:002014-09-10T12:10:56.377+01:00First. An enormous note of gratitude to James Kell...First. An enormous note of gratitude to James Kelly. Been a daily visitor here for a long time, and applaud the fact that most contributors stay on-subject, and don't treat it as just another outlet for alleged "pearls of wisdom"...<br />Background in broadcasting, so on Murdoch.. Bloody nose for the establishment of another era is simply icing on cake for him. It's the business opportunity that is drawing his interest. It's all change time, including BBC charter renewal 2017, very likely seeing the shift from licence to subscription. Sunday Herald stats will speak to him too, as regards the Sun. But it's really about Sky. (For whom Portree would make a jolly place for an HQ...)airdforce1noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-40523865965840781452014-09-10T12:10:38.463+01:002014-09-10T12:10:38.463+01:00Will The Record hold its nerve and stick with No? ...Will The Record hold its nerve and stick with No? They have the Survation poll. They might want to save themselves and declare for YesDenisenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-12316188226373135952014-09-10T11:27:03.522+01:002014-09-10T11:27:03.522+01:00Keaton I agree I am mentally preparing myself for ...Keaton I agree I am mentally preparing myself for the Yes win and what comes later. There seems little point in doing otherwise. Credit Suisse and other foreign banks (not English) predict a major recession in Scotland in the event of a Yes vote which will be greeted here as just propaganda but why foreign banks would be interested in propagandizing rather than protecting their clients money is hard to see. We can hope they are all wrong. And I am quite sure many here, even if they believed it, would be happy to pay that price. No argument is possible in those circumstances <br /><br />Pantone<br /><br />Of course I don't think Murdoch's Sun endorsement will lead to more No votes. I am not even sure it will lead to more Yes votes. I am interested in it because it will reflect on what happens AFTER the vote. Murdoch will seek to influence things behind the scenes as sure as he has always done when he makes these endorsements. If you deny that, you know nothing about him. And he only seems to have good relation with two politicians here now Salmond and Farage. As soon as Scotland is in the place he wants, he will start beating the drum for Farage, which is the next cause for him as he seeks to take Brits out of EU.<br /><br />And in answer to others I accept Dacre and Des are not great bedfellows for No but they aren't going to be hanging around Scotland much after it's all over. There is a chance Murdoch might try and bring BSkyB to Scotland if he can, and that way he can get around the restrictions on him. It will be a matter of whether he can and how expensive it is.<br /><br />Incidentally Murdoch is pondering. Today he tweeted<br />"Bigger problem! Wrestling with Scottish vote. Scottish Sun No. 1. Head over heart, or just maybe both lead to same conclusion..."<br /><br />Then<br />" Scots better people than to be dependants of London. Hard choice with real pain for some time. Maybe too much."<br /><br />'Real pain for some time' , there's the hard-headed businessman who sees it. <br /><br />But just one more good poll and he'll be there I suspect. <br /><br /><br />Expatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-69249868031374611882014-09-10T10:53:28.633+01:002014-09-10T10:53:28.633+01:00People need to remember that "quite something...People need to remember that "quite something" could mean almost anything in the current febrile atmosphere. (and there is the obvious need from polling companies to hype their own polls) So, as usual, take everything with a pinch of salt until it's confirmed.<br /><br />As for the comedy westminster twits visiting scotland/PR stunt, keep this in mind. Even for a campaign as laughable, desperate and panicking as No has become it is simply beyond all credibilty to believe that Cameron, little Ed and Clegg haven't already been warned by their scottish subsidiary parties that they are most definitely <i>not</i> helping and that their visit can only be counterproductive. <br /><br />So why are they doing it? <br /><br />Well for one the scottish branches of the lib dems, tories and labour can object all they like because they don't run the show and the campaign. The three comedy twits do. It's also fairly clear that whichever of the three of them dreamed this up would have left the other two with little choice but to follow them. <br /><br />This is far more about the escalating blame game currently obsessing the westminster classes. <br /><br />It is patently obvious Cameron, Clegg and little Ed are terrified that there will be covert and quite possibly even overt attempts to topple them should there be a Yes. To varying degrees across the three parties to be sure, but if one domino falls then the other two will also look increasingly precarious. They basically all have amusingly low personal ratings from the public as we all know. There are also no shortage of people in their own party who dislike all three of them and wouldn't mind an excuse to get rid of them. So this far too little, far too late PR stunt is all about Cameron, little Ed and Clegg belatedly trying to cover their arses and find some excuses should there be a backlash in their own party.<br /><br />It's also instructive to see just how hysterical and out of touch some of the Britnat twits have become. It's quite something when they are deluded enough to think that the hilariously rabid articles and comments in the likes of the Mail, Express, Torygraph etc. are some kind of reliable barometer for public opinion and not the same old predictable bigoted shrieking that has been happening all these years the campaign has been going. <br /><br />The papers have staggeringly low levels of trust from the public (not just scots) FOR A REASON. The westminster media have utterly failed in their attempts to bully and 'persuade' scots in the Independence Referendum FOR A REASON. It's the same reason Cameron, Clegg and little Ed are so mistrusted.<br /><br />So it is by no means just the three hopeless party leaders who are out of touch and desperately trying to avoid the blame. Some of their most comical and clueless cheerleaders are engaged in it right now as well. <br /><br />Again, none of this should be surprising to SCOTgoesPOP regulars as we long predicted the inevitable blame game spiralling out of control as well. It is crystal clear that desperate panic was always going to be accompanied by to a frenzied backlash looking to blame someone.<br /><br />Let them run about screeching dementedly since the actual campaign on the ground for Yes will most assuredly continue doing what it has all these months and indeed years to try and win the Independence Referendum. Talking to ordinary members of the public up and down scotland in ever greater numbers while campaigning to ensure a better scotland for all scots.Mick Porknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-19747670975292295832014-09-10T10:23:23.508+01:002014-09-10T10:23:23.508+01:00No, nothing to do with the poll.
Apparently THAT ...No, nothing to do with the poll.<br /><br />Apparently THAT is good though, the Survation chief has been tweeting about it, calling it 'quite something'....going by the trend recently and based on their previous results, showing a no lead....I'd say it refers to either a narrowing or a yes lead.<br /><br />chalksnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-3792916425930132982014-09-10T10:01:06.242+01:002014-09-10T10:01:06.242+01:00@chalks
Fair enough, mate.
But just to clarify, ...@chalks<br /><br />Fair enough, mate.<br /><br />But just to clarify, are you referring to tonight's Survation poll?<br /><br />Best,<br /><br />XabiAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-45648850600685427422014-09-10T09:56:41.270+01:002014-09-10T09:56:41.270+01:00Aye and they had Brown deliver it.
No mention of ...Aye and they had Brown deliver it.<br /><br />No mention of the Barnett Formula being abolished, naturally of course.chalksnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-62273191484523889902014-09-10T09:49:38.340+01:002014-09-10T09:49:38.340+01:00Flockers - they didnt offer devomax. They offered ...Flockers - they didnt offer devomax. They offered a timetable for something not specified. As someone else mentioned, its like a bus timetable without the buses!BVB1909noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-53397896557763774732014-09-10T09:42:00.362+01:002014-09-10T09:42:00.362+01:00Thoroughly dispirited today. Yesterday was an abje...Thoroughly dispirited today. Yesterday was an abject disaster for the no campaign, almost comically absurd. Even I was offended by their sudden offer of devomax. "Too little, too late" doesn't even begin to describe it, but worse than that it sacrificed the high principle of stability and treated rUK with contempt. And as for flying the saltire over Downing St.... I don't think if you gave me a month I could think of a more patronising and pathetic gesture. Perhaps if Cameron and Miliband presented a cookery programme in which they made a haggis and shared a wee dram. Until yesterday the yes campaign deserved to lose for treating voters with contempt and I would have expected the sensible majority to say that the case has not been made. Now I feel differently.<br /><br />Westminster leaders will face hell from their parties and the electorate now whatever the outcome. Ill-considered devomax, if that is the outcome, will create a constitutional nightmare. It would require a new constitutional settlement with broad support across the UK. How dare they sketch it out on the back of a fag packet and toss it at the Scots?Flockersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-4145323435762897282014-09-10T09:26:59.989+01:002014-09-10T09:26:59.989+01:00I am sworn to secrecy guys,not revealing it for lo...I am sworn to secrecy guys,not revealing it for love nor money. It's good though, so don't get dragged down by the constant barrage at the moment.<br /><br />We'll be roaring back.<br />chalksnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-90198580725081973172014-09-10T09:24:01.754+01:002014-09-10T09:24:01.754+01:00Why does Expat think Murdoch and the Sun are relev...Why does Expat think Murdoch and the Sun are relevant? They are late on the bandwagon this time, just as they were late last time. <br /><br />Or did he say it to follow it with the nasty insinuation " First Minister Alex Salmond, with whom he has a close rapport". Really? Show me the evidence for that statement!<br /><br />Wasn't it Blair and Cameron that had the private dinners and the family barbecues with Murdoch? That overly cozy relationship went sour when the hacking scandal came out. Cameron is no longer useful so he must go. <br /><br />Murdoch believes in using the enemy of his enemy as his friend. That is not most definitely NOT rapport. <br /><br />I am sure that Alex Salmond is fully aware of that and keeps his dealings with Murdoch scrupulously clean. I suggest that you go look at the First Minister's testimony to the Leveson Inquiry. bjsalbanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-6454632199679073582014-09-10T09:10:06.858+01:002014-09-10T09:10:06.858+01:00Yep, seems it was just a Twitter rumour.
I agree...Yep, seems it was just a Twitter rumour. <br /><br />I agree that as a Yes vote has began to look likely that some people will get the jitters, this is a natural phenomenon, but will these people who have decided that they want Scotland to be independent, really vote No when they get to the polling booth?<br /><br />No chance!<br /><br /> Patrick Rodennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-87677512376768839802014-09-10T09:10:06.393+01:002014-09-10T09:10:06.393+01:00Yep, seems it was just a Twitter rumour.
I agree...Yep, seems it was just a Twitter rumour. <br /><br />I agree that as a Yes vote has began to look likely that some people will get the jitters, this is a natural phenomenon, but will these people who have decided that they want Scotland to be independent, really vote No when they get to the polling booth?<br /><br />No chance!<br /><br /> Patrick Rodennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-36688305118933866672014-09-10T09:07:09.141+01:002014-09-10T09:07:09.141+01:00@chalks
What do you mean?
Xabi@chalks<br /><br />What do you mean? <br /><br />XabiAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-73416817932380469352014-09-10T09:06:52.645+01:002014-09-10T09:06:52.645+01:00The last 7 days are going to have me near hysteria...The last 7 days are going to have me near hysteria ... teasing comments like this may just tip me over the edge.....<br />mikenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-45298320600790245962014-09-10T08:42:51.584+01:002014-09-10T08:42:51.584+01:00There is bigger news than the Sun coming out.
Fro...There is bigger news than the Sun coming out.<br /><br />From what I have heard.chalksnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-2961045436347563812014-09-10T08:32:22.076+01:002014-09-10T08:32:22.076+01:00I was talking to a committed no voter last night. ...I was talking to a committed no voter last night. He has started to get concerned, his complacency shattered. "It's out of the politicians hands," I said. "People aren't engaged at all," he replied. "It's just a small minority of fanatics making all the noise." Like I say, a mass movement is happening in plain sight yet some, thanks to choosing not to engage, or by getting all their news from the mainstream, still can't see it. <br /> <br />But Scots don't do camera-friendly street demos. This is happening, one conversation at a time.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03554121723778926644noreply@blogger.com