tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post2153603655358086868..comments2024-03-29T08:47:02.579+00:00Comments on SCOT goes POP!: The ultimate betrayal: Scottish Tory MPs vote to destroy the devolution settlement as we have known it for the last twenty yearsJames Kellyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01516007141763230886noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-46760880999474197052018-01-22T11:55:33.179+00:002018-01-22T11:55:33.179+00:00Welcome to Tartan Toryland the gulf between the ri...Welcome to Tartan Toryland the gulf between the rich and poor widening. Looks like you Jockos are outdoing your Blue Tory buddies.GWC2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-456059760719589582018-01-21T19:32:47.418+00:002018-01-21T19:32:47.418+00:00If 70 MP's represented Scotland and UK interes...If 70 MP's represented Scotland and UK interests then 70 MSP'S seems a reasonable ammount. The Scottish MP'S clearly have less responsibility since devolution.GWC2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-77148674629173257612018-01-21T04:55:10.602+00:002018-01-21T04:55:10.602+00:00Kangaroo says
70 Scottish MPs were fine at that ti...Kangaroo says<br />70 Scottish MPs were fine at that time because there were all the other English MPs to ensure that the wide range of portfolios in an independent state (Britain at the time) were fully managed. However it was obvious that they were not being managed in the interests of those living North of the border. So we were stuck with South of the border policies, even these tended to suit London and the SE. <br />Whilst I agree that we should ensure there is a reasonable number of MPs to handle the workload I disagree that all the decisions should be taken in WM as that will just revert back to the people who live in the North not getting a fair go.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-5081274727194677192018-01-20T19:43:47.929+00:002018-01-20T19:43:47.929+00:00You need to reply to my main point and I say there...You need to reply to my main point and I say there far are too politicians than that required. We used to before devolution have around seventy MP'S.GWC2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-35779878695121783712018-01-20T18:04:12.393+00:002018-01-20T18:04:12.393+00:00Anonymous: In a Representative Democracy, the elec...Anonymous: In a Representative Democracy, the elected representative is supposed to defend the needs of ALL the electorate in their constituency and not simply those that voted for him/her. They are there to look after the wider interests not narrow party political ones.<br /><br />In this case the wider interest is not simply those of their constituents, but the core principles of the devolved powers embedded in Holyrood. They have let down their wider constituents AND the rest of Scotland. <br /><br />It is clear the Tory 13 have o idea about what they are representing, and I suspect care even less. We live in a sham, there is no TRUE democracy in Scotland or the UK under this abused and antiquated system of governance. Tony Littlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02008273900618097432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-44730506576007908162018-01-20T09:11:03.459+00:002018-01-20T09:11:03.459+00:00It would be interesting to compare the number of e...It would be interesting to compare the number of ex MP’s and MSP’s rejected by the Scottish electorate who sit in HoL and who will have a final say in this issue, with the 59 elected MP’s who will not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-87011816328834173932018-01-20T01:35:20.843+00:002018-01-20T01:35:20.843+00:00Kangaroo says
Well GWC2 you may want to shut down ...Kangaroo says<br />Well GWC2 you may want to shut down layers of Government, so we should just pull our MPs from WM and leave the Parliament of England to Govern themselves as it would make no difference to the outcome for the English. We need Holyrood because they do stuff for us that WM actively tries to undermine.<br />See the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yy8dEz-1upM<br />for details<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-12047675429463429252018-01-19T23:51:08.722+00:002018-01-19T23:51:08.722+00:00You nat sis want to declare UDI then go for it. We...You nat sis want to declare UDI then go for it. We Unionists are ready for a Civil War in your local Irish pub.GWC2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-23949925808348721672018-01-19T23:04:27.560+00:002018-01-19T23:04:27.560+00:00Sorry, but you don't. That is exactly how you ...Sorry, but you don't. That is exactly how you destroy a democracy. You vote for people who will represent YOU as you are not there...YOU are working...sure they favor their supporters, by they represent everyone, even no, voters and people not in their district. BillfromBostonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09399762489266212680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-46343661803722687412018-01-19T20:16:17.751+00:002018-01-19T20:16:17.751+00:00Latesr YouGov subsample (Westminster VI):
SNP 42%
...Latesr YouGov subsample (Westminster VI):<br />SNP 42%<br />Lab 28%<br />Con 21%<br />LD 6%<br />Grn 2%<br />UKIP 1%Stuart Dicksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08899934797220797186noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-50997452940916537072018-01-19T20:08:12.013+00:002018-01-19T20:08:12.013+00:00True, but the hope is that soft Yessers/soft Noers...True, but the hope is that soft Yessers/soft Noers will now recognise that Labour/the Record/the Vow have enabled the Tories to do this.James Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01516007141763230886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-40861242056900094132018-01-19T17:04:16.361+00:002018-01-19T17:04:16.361+00:00You make a valid point here, in that the conservat...You make a valid point here, in that the conservative MPs from Scotland are probably well representing the people who voted for them. If that is the case, then who is to say they voted incorrectly? You promote the values of the people who put you there. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-17952019089850758722018-01-19T15:29:50.328+00:002018-01-19T15:29:50.328+00:00http://act.unlockdemocracy.org.uk/page/18503/petit...http://act.unlockdemocracy.org.uk/page/18503/petition/1?en_chan=fb&locale=en-GB&ea.tracking.id=facebookfynesiderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16004561936077805599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-75210814224145229352018-01-19T13:41:04.364+00:002018-01-19T13:41:04.364+00:00This. The Vow was aimed at soft Yessers, hardly an...This. The Vow was aimed at soft Yessers, hardly any of whom would have voted for the Ruth Party. keatonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-21045585750565939912018-01-19T13:23:20.607+00:002018-01-19T13:23:20.607+00:00It's only when the Scottish parliament is no l...It's only when the Scottish parliament is no longer there will the Selfish Scots realize how better they where off and when Westminster has direct rule will the country vote for Independence of 50% plus.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-37010022663263140722018-01-19T12:24:03.245+00:002018-01-19T12:24:03.245+00:00Says it all really.Says it all really.Charles O'Brien.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10778040983298966024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-81567490933100100442018-01-19T11:14:01.752+00:002018-01-19T11:14:01.752+00:00Scotland could be governed from Westminster. Scott...Scotland could be governed from Westminster. Scottish MP'S could sit for two days. Local government delivers our essential services.. I would demolish Holyrood and the massive savings would go towards the public services. Holyrood, Stormont, Cardiff and Brussels are all gravy trains for unnesesary politicians and their bits on the side. Knobs like IainTaylor just want to get their feet under the table.GWC2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-69301499578421487522018-01-19T10:16:48.300+00:002018-01-19T10:16:48.300+00:00The useless for Scotland thirteen have succeeded i...The useless for Scotland thirteen have succeeded in doing what unionists in Scotland put them there for ,voting as a bloc for their Westminster masters , to scupper debate on Scotland's behalf .This has allowed the bill to be bypassed by the democratically elected members of the house the commons ,denying them the right to have amendments passed thus putting it into the hands of non-elected , pampered ,sleepy headed , know it all's . The House of Lords will grandstand and pretend they are trying to make it fair , they will drag it out for months , but at the end of the day they will come to the conclusion that the bill is fit for purpose . Forget the House of Lords ,they will never have Scotland's best interests at their core , our best bet is the Scottish Government tightening the screw every step of the way until a fair settlement is reached , if that doesn't transpire , the only alternative is for Scotland to declare UDI ! Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10912287335319068774noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-36054733735772896922018-01-19T09:50:10.401+00:002018-01-19T09:50:10.401+00:00Who cares what she says? Seriously.Who cares what she says? Seriously.Iain Taylornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-45311933626166106792018-01-19T09:49:04.157+00:002018-01-19T09:49:04.157+00:00I wonder if Baron Bottle of Cumnock will be either...I wonder if Baron Bottle of Cumnock will be either awake or sober enough to notice this bill's passage through the House of Lords. Might Baron Splendid of Darling raise his voice in defence of Holyrood? Maybe Baron McConnell of Flunky will ride to its rescue like the US cavalry.<br /><br />I doubt it.Iain Taylornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-40118167645244956292018-01-19T09:36:46.043+00:002018-01-19T09:36:46.043+00:00The Daily Record and, I think, the Herald said if ...The Daily Record and, I think, the Herald said if the Vow was not upheld then they they would support Independence.<br /> I don't see any banner headlines on that now. Worthless wankers rule.<br />On a more general point I find it amazing how people in Scotland are willing to believe negative stories about Scotland, more so because the effect of them believing negative stories, where they give their votes to Tories or divert their votes to Labour, only benefits those who would take everything from them.Brian Powellnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-10171963591883013622018-01-19T09:22:32.325+00:002018-01-19T09:22:32.325+00:00The problem is that many Scots will not have notic...The problem is that many Scots will not have noticed this nor will they take the time and effort to find out and understand it. They will only notice, and possibly disapprove (or possibly not - there are to their shame Scots who despise the Scottish Parliament) when it is too late.<br />This ignorance will be carefully nurtured by the press and the BBC not reporting, or even misreporting, what has happened. <br />Do you think the people who voted in this bunch of Tory tossers will even notice this? East Neukerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16227592664964765886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-11933688912458557462018-01-19T07:47:39.587+00:002018-01-19T07:47:39.587+00:00I would say this is the right time to call a secon...I would say this is the right time to call a second Indyref.<br />This not about EU o UK anymore, but autonomy and centralism, too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-52127493352393488022018-01-19T06:40:04.070+00:002018-01-19T06:40:04.070+00:00That observation somewhat misses the point, but I&...That observation somewhat misses the point, but I'll bite anyway: is there any particular reason why Anglican bishops would give a monkey's one way or another about devolution?James Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01516007141763230886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-54057423896502352172018-01-19T05:52:01.038+00:002018-01-19T05:52:01.038+00:00Actually, the Anglican bishops are as likely as an...Actually, the Anglican bishops are as likely as anyone to defend devolution.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com