tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post195497531310135967..comments2024-03-29T15:00:52.692+00:00Comments on SCOT goes POP!: Wings poll: Disagreement is not the same thing as "not having a clue"James Kellyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01516007141763230886noreply@blogger.comBlogger68125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-3260623881238048312019-10-11T13:04:49.700+01:002019-10-11T13:04:49.700+01:00He's extraordinarily damaging to the Yes movem...He's extraordinarily damaging to the Yes movement right now, and has been for quite a long time. It's almost like a cry for help. The thought of him campaigning publicly or appearing in parliament as an elected member is cringeworthy. Once very effective, something has gone very badly wrong. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-76329783874876978222019-10-10T17:08:49.707+01:002019-10-10T17:08:49.707+01:00Wings Stuart Campbell is only riling up as many pe...Wings Stuart Campbell is only riling up as many people against the SNP because he wants to invent a political party pretending he'll make the SNP do what he wants and trying to attract unhappy SNP voters to his cause, nothing no political party hasn't ever done before, how do you think the Greens got anywhere, they clung to the SNP coat tails by pretending to support them now they vote against them and repeal things like the OBFA<br /><br />Stuar Campbell is making an issue out of GRA hoping to attract women by telling them Nicola Sturgeon doesn't care about them and one or two activist types are helping him out with that by making a big noise about something that less than 2% of the population cares about and most of the population wouldn't know what a GRA or a WOKE was if it jumped up and bit them on the Arse<br /><br />It's a non issue that Stuart Campbell is inflating for all he's worth because he's tring to sell his yet to be invented political party, that nobody in their right mind is ever going to vote for some sweary blogger on the internet for and I'd put money on the fact he already knows that<br /><br />So why's he doing it? wait till he announces his next crowdfunder and ask him nicely and he'll tell you to Fuck off because that's what politicians do right, don't make me laughAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-83873378118751871542019-10-10T00:02:38.607+01:002019-10-10T00:02:38.607+01:00Ha, ha, ha. This is the man who wants to set up a ...Ha, ha, ha. This is the man who wants to set up a political party. Time to take a good look at yourself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-87198379249978080372019-10-09T16:01:59.799+01:002019-10-09T16:01:59.799+01:00It's worth noting that the question itself is ...It's worth noting that the question itself is absurd: it seems to take the premise "The SNP have/should have one clear outcome for Brexit as their view (and stick to going for it above anything else)".<br /><br />Given the party's actual policy, and the fluctuating things that are going on, i think it would be fair to say their view could be "The SNP want to ensure the best/least bad situation for Scotland". <br /><br />(Add or remove points about "situation most conducive to a yes in an referendum" or "provide a record of solid governance for Scotland to increase trust in the next referendum", for taste, bear in mind that "do as much as possible to ensure there's not a crash so sharp it causes fear of independence, and to ensure that a border issue would be as easy as possible" comes under the first.)<br /><br />That question and his insane portrayal of "most SNP voters think the SNP's doing what it should on Brexit" marks it as nothing more than a pure attack poll.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-64014170377156457642019-10-09T08:11:21.198+01:002019-10-09T08:11:21.198+01:00I never gave upon Wings but I might give up on Win...I never gave upon Wings but I might give up on Wings.GWCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-29980798750156306432019-10-09T02:56:25.283+01:002019-10-09T02:56:25.283+01:00Go fu#k yourself GWC. Go fu#k yourself GWC. Rev Stunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-74671718924636925692019-10-09T01:10:06.183+01:002019-10-09T01:10:06.183+01:00James Kelly should have put Campbell's posts i...James Kelly should have put Campbell's posts into moderation and then deleted them. Give him a taste of his own dictatorial medicine.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-22777510149352511002019-10-09T00:58:48.100+01:002019-10-09T00:58:48.100+01:00He posted blogs to determine how much money he cou...He posted blogs to determine how much money he could screw out of people for a Dugdale appeal and then didn't even have the decency to announce that he had gone ahead and lodged the appeal. He's treating these people like mugs and they can't see it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-21260741297243212952019-10-09T00:54:58.755+01:002019-10-09T00:54:58.755+01:00It's pretty sad to think that many of his loya...It's pretty sad to think that many of his loyal supporters have no idea that he's deleting comments and banning people from the site who don't agree with him. He let's some dissenters through because if not it would be pretty obvious. If you follow the site you can see that there's a pattern to what's going on. In fact I could tell you who will be banned / disappear from the site next. I reckon that the change in his behaviour goes beyond his big ego and wanting a seat in Holyrood. As someone tweeted to him earlier ''has he taken the Queens shilling?''Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-9325118038288491542019-10-09T00:46:24.582+01:002019-10-09T00:46:24.582+01:00''Wings over Scotland depends on reader ca...''Wings over Scotland depends on reader cash to fund it.'' Money is the be-all to him so wonder with the U-turn that he's done, and the potential loss of supporters money, who's actually funding him now?<br /><br />There was no mention of his party when he was funding for the WBB. Let's see if he uses the next WBB to promote his party. If so many donators will be absolutely livid.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-2276197609753563692019-10-08T23:17:49.750+01:002019-10-08T23:17:49.750+01:00Hello douglas. How's the cheese toastie busine...Hello douglas. How's the cheese toastie business?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-88924695866850807132019-10-08T23:16:41.464+01:002019-10-08T23:16:41.464+01:00How would that help anything?How would that help anything?keatonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-74671720951982144322019-10-08T23:14:49.872+01:002019-10-08T23:14:49.872+01:00 If it is not the English Pound then why did t... If it is not the English Pound then why did the English claim sole ownership of said currency back in 2014? Are you admitting that the Yoons were lying?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-83807574478916744802019-10-08T21:27:08.017+01:002019-10-08T21:27:08.017+01:00The 2017 election was utterly misread by everyone,...The 2017 election was utterly misread by everyone, including the SNP.<br /><br />Yes didn't change at all. <br /><br />2015 was all about Scotland for Scots. Their votes were completely ignored by England though.<br /><br />2017 was all about England and it's brexit. So the Turnout crashed in Scotland, notably for those who'd given up on the union.<br /><br />If the SNP make the next GE all about indy (e.g. 'plan B' backup), they should do well. If they make it about brexit, they'll get a 2017 result again.<br /><br />People don't see the point in Westminster elections if Scots MPs are not even allowed in cabinet / shadow cabinet and are treated like lepers. Scots need a reason to vote here. If the want to cancel brexit, then they can vote Lib Dem. After all, its an English election and that's what English remainers are doing....Scottish Skierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10584099659760612109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-86439011700754446522019-10-08T21:08:36.160+01:002019-10-08T21:08:36.160+01:00If you gave upon Wings then you must have been wit...If you gave upon Wings then you must have been with HIM. MY Sympathy is with you. Do get a life. GWCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-20033593973273870282019-10-08T21:02:45.378+01:002019-10-08T21:02:45.378+01:00"Daft" really is the best word to descri..."Daft" really is the best word to describe it. Just a daft ego trip.Iainnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-85182580667783473642019-10-08T20:57:39.981+01:002019-10-08T20:57:39.981+01:00Still none of the nat si fashboys willing to give ...Still none of the nat si fashboys willing to give me a straight answer. Poncey pussyboys it's time to man up and tell what we all know is true. GWCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-75479505828023672232019-10-08T20:55:50.657+01:002019-10-08T20:55:50.657+01:00"Let's just be clear on something, the SN..."Let's just be clear on something, the SNP cannot give a running commentary on everything they are doing because the press won't effing let them"<br /><br />I joined up as an SNP member post 2016 EU ref result and they consistently emailed me pretty much every other day with stuff relating to what was happening etc.<br /><br />The emails dropped off a cliff post 2017 GE result, like they'd totally lost confidence in what they were saying even to their own members. It's never picked up since and the only real knowledge of the SNP strategy I have gleaned recently came from the excellent Wee Ginger Dugcast a few weeks ago when Philipa Whitford was on it and even at that she only could give her own opinions and not necessarily anything fully endorsed as "the plan". <br /><br />That's kind of what I mean rather than necessarily what they say or don't say or can't say on the news or QT or whatever.Robertnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-58868570991763169232019-10-08T20:55:46.550+01:002019-10-08T20:55:46.550+01:00Well said.Well said.Iainnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-22365643295677269282019-10-08T20:44:11.417+01:002019-10-08T20:44:11.417+01:00Then you're not paying attention or you're...Then you're not paying attention or you're yet another one of Wings sycophants sucking in every word he utters <br />Let's just be clear on something, the SNP cannot give a running commentary on everything they are doing because the press won't effing let them, we live in a country where our elected First Minister has to be invited to appear on Television and if recorded it becomes edited, if a statement is asked for it becomes rewritten,<br /><br />The First Minister of Scotland doesn't want to use Twitter she's forced to use it because Scotland is not allowed a media of its own <br /><br />Day after day the same people moaning about the SNP this the SNP that but give no thought whatsoever to the government of their country not being allowed access to media in the same way every other government in the world does<br /><br />24 hours a day the media camp outside Downing street begging for a word, in Scotland Ruth Davidson can click her fingers and the media come running round her house to let her make SNP bad speeches, but people want to know and they want to know now, well maybe if Scotland had done the right thing in 2014 we wouldn't be in any of this shit and we'd have a media that served our country instead of the Bastirts down south, then folk wouild know stuff when it happened and accurately instead of BBC Scotland North Korea office or STV we're hedging our bets department because in a new Scotland we might not be granted a broadcasting licence so we'll stick with our England broacasting masters Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-57005635298314926402019-10-08T20:33:40.915+01:002019-10-08T20:33:40.915+01:00"and it's "you're either with us...<i>"and it's "you're either with us or against us" on both sites"</i><br /><br />That is categorically untrue. When the abuse from Stuart started I went out of my way to say the complete opposite of that - ie. that I expected the overlap between the readership of the two sites to remain as considerable as it has always been.James Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05264559835025144323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-83851436984734682822019-10-08T20:29:56.809+01:002019-10-08T20:29:56.809+01:00That's a fair response (well, I obviously don&...That's a fair response (well, I obviously don't agree with your final statement, I'm not trying to shut down discussion at all, but ok) and that is why I (usually) feel that one can disagree here with you publically but at least be respectfully heard, and I in turn can respect that.<br /><br />My posts have nothing to do with Stu - I make my own comments and generally consider them to be reasonable, but it seems in the ongoing WOS/SGP spat there's no room for that and it's "you're either with us or against us" on both sites on this particular issue.<br /><br />Anyway. To talk at the substance of the post instead. I think you are conflating the disagree with/unsure of thing intentionally with semantics because you dislike the inference that people don't understand the SNP strategy. I don't think anyone needs polls to show evidence of people not understanding the SNP strategy - just a regular reading of comments posted on the usual major indy blogs. So I don't think it's an unreasonable conclusion to draw from the results of that question as asked. I'm happy to agree to disagree on that point - there's no right or wrong answer here, just individual opinions. Robertnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-80350562355724945592019-10-08T20:27:07.452+01:002019-10-08T20:27:07.452+01:00I gave up on "Wings" a long time ago, in...I gave up on "Wings" a long time ago, in comparison to the length of time he has been "at it" . <br /> Fair and honestly put by James Kelly I hope he can open the eyes of those who seem to wear blinkers.Charles O'Brien.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10778040983298966024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-11997096890607765552019-10-08T20:03:08.278+01:002019-10-08T20:03:08.278+01:001) "the person shelling out for it gets to as...1) <i>"the person shelling out for it gets to ask the questions they want to ask"</i> is a statement of the bleedin' obvious and is exactly why leading questions are such a problem in the polling industry. But if you do actually agree that Wings readers (especially those that have funded the poll) should demand better polling, then that's very welcome.<br /><br />2) If you had posted that bit of your comment in isolation I would have deleted it, because it boils down to another "shut up" comment, which contributes literally nothing to the discussion. I have shown considerable patience in the face of provocation from Mr Campbell and his devotees, and my posting history shows clearly that I was saying much the same things about this topic before they started calling me a "c**t" as I did afterwards. I have no intention of toning down my comments just in case people falsely accuse me of "extra unjustified level of criticism" in response to the abuse from Mr Campbell.<br /><br />A more constructive comment would have explained what it is about the criticism that is actually unjustified, thus allowing me to explain why I disagree - but that would have meant addressing the issue rather than trying to shut the discussion down. James Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05264559835025144323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-60352748112728514742019-10-08T19:42:34.833+01:002019-10-08T19:42:34.833+01:00Mmm. Few different thoughts here.
1 - Demand bett...Mmm. Few different thoughts here.<br /><br />1 - Demand better polling. Sure, all for that. But ultimately the person shelling out for it gets to ask the questions they want to ask. Leading questions are leading questions, if it turns out leading questions were indeed asked. But lets hang back and see first and then dissect the results. In the meantime, we are *actually* getting useful data here on things we probably should actually want to know about.<br /><br />2 - Both WOS and SGP are now in a sort of negative feedback escalating spiral here which no one seems to come out well from. I get the impression Wings posts & work now get a somewhat extra unjustified level of criticism from SGP which seems partly driven purely by the poor state of relations between the two sites. <br /><br />Stu manages to respond to the reasoned, sensible post up above by implying everyone else who posts here is a complete imbecile and still even manages to leave some doubt about how much of an imbecile he thinks the poster he's responded to is i.e. "not a complete imbecile". That doesn't entirely seem like the way to win friends and influence people. Particularly if you're hoping they might want to vote for you at some point.<br /><br />3 - Sorry to take this circuitous route back to the original question (sort of) but DOES anyone understand the SNP strategy?<br /><br />I mean I really was rather hoping it actually WAS "pretend to try to stop Brexit", because the alternative is that the SNP seem desperate to stop the thing that everyone else in the UK media is now largely openly saying will break up the Union, and it's hard to understand why they'd want that.<br /><br />What is the SNP goal? Stop Brexit, save the UK from itself, tell everyone the thing that supposedly gave you the mandate for indyref2 is now not an issue, but let's have indyref2 anyway because the whole Brexit thing showed us how we need independence in the first place? Um, ok, that seems a convoluted way of doing things.<br /><br />They should have said "Scotland was pretty clear in how we voted in the 2016 EU ref, we'd support an EU ref2 if the UK government or the UK Parliament voted on/supported it, but other than that we have had our say and we'll get back to you with our next steps once the dust has finally settled". Which I THOUGHT for a long time was the plan, and then they seemed to not be able to help themselves and just plowed in trying to fix everything whether it made sense for them or not.<br /><br />Maybe not pretending to stop Brexit, but if they're not desperately actually trying to stop Brexit but secretly hoping they'll fail anyway then the strategy seems fairly incomprehensible to me. But I'm just an ordinary voter and the SNP seems to have given up trying to explain to their voters what they're trying to achieve.Robertnoreply@blogger.com