tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post1802615047329727446..comments2024-03-29T05:53:21.060+00:00Comments on SCOT goes POP!: Decisive majority for independence in sensational post-referendum Survation pollJames Kellyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01516007141763230886noreply@blogger.comBlogger72125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-66314087126153275962016-06-28T08:36:54.749+01:002016-06-28T08:36:54.749+01:00The EU are now pushing Scotland to call or try to ...The EU are now pushing Scotland to call or try to call a referendum and to be honest, I do not know if that is a good idea.<br /><br />I might be thinking about it too much, but we need cast iron guarantees from the EU that we would be in it and maintain the UKs vetos.<br /><br />Only way people will go yes, and I do not mean some statement from merkels spokesperson, it isnt good enough especially not in light of the general distrust people have for politicians.chalksnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-10818443681821288342016-06-27T19:12:09.988+01:002016-06-27T19:12:09.988+01:00Nothing stopping RISE or any other pro-Indy party ...Nothing stopping RISE or any other pro-Indy party developing their ideas right now. Same thing obviously applies as last time though, Greens can't speak for SNP, SNP can't speak for Greens etc. That's how it works.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-59140430582113888342016-06-27T19:06:12.466+01:002016-06-27T19:06:12.466+01:00Surely the answer is for RISE to form a drum circl...Surely the answer is for RISE to form a drum circle and hash the currency question out between bong hits? They don't have to worry about all that peripheral 'running the country' stuff.Armchair Revolution (with a lovely Bordeaux)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-29698009314984592212016-06-27T18:19:37.646+01:002016-06-27T18:19:37.646+01:00Why rely on Aidan Kerr on Twitter? The data tables...Why rely on Aidan Kerr on Twitter? The <a href="http://survation.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Post-Brexit-Scottish-Attitudes-Poll.pdf" rel="nofollow">data tables</a> are publicly available. 32.4% of Scottish Tories went Leave, and only 25.6% of SNP voters.keatonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-39997461447883162192016-06-27T18:19:14.843+01:002016-06-27T18:19:14.843+01:00That can't be true. Every SNP voter is an aut...That can't be true. Every SNP voter is an automaton, slavishly following the party line. No debate or dissent is tolerated in Sturgeon's Scotland.Kennynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-78543414177400553522016-06-27T18:14:24.686+01:002016-06-27T18:14:24.686+01:00"hates the "metropolitan elite" (wh..."hates the "metropolitan elite" (whoever they are)"<br /><br />Turn on your TV. Can't miss em. Still flapping about like headless chickens. <br /><br />No point denying their existence since they did everything possible to irritate and annoy voters outside the westminster bubble and they did an incredibly good job. For Leave.<br /><br />"the mere fact these people support leaving the EU doesn't mean they're no longer going to support independence."<br /><br />See Keaton and the reply below.<br /><br />It's a complicated series of factors that merits further polling but in essence you are of course correct.Settled Willnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-9833573719697515592016-06-27T18:03:57.479+01:002016-06-27T18:03:57.479+01:00According to Aidan Kerr on Twitter, the Survation ...According to Aidan Kerr on Twitter, the Survation poll said that SNP voters were two points more in favour of Brexit than their Tory counterparts.Stoatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-2376787073919427232016-06-27T18:02:35.072+01:002016-06-27T18:02:35.072+01:00Why, is there something on? Cripes! I should have ...Why, is there something on? Cripes! I should have been in Parliament today. Crumbs! If that isn't a dashed nuisance.Boris Gumpnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-35092811482574798612016-06-27T17:59:04.693+01:002016-06-27T17:59:04.693+01:00Leaving aside dodgy reporting, I think there are t...Leaving aside dodgy reporting, I think there are two points here. The first is that for that section of Scottish society that hates the establishment, hates London, hates the "metropolitan elite" (whoever they are), bashes Guardian readers 24/7, and so on, both Brexit and independence have some kind of similar appeal in the sense that they're the exact opposite of what the establishment wanted. What percentage of SNP/Yes support these people make up is anybody's guess but it isn't actually that surprising that some Yes voters also backed leave.<br /><br />The second point, and the most damaging one for those who are hoping for a No vote in a second referendum, is that the mere fact these people support leaving the EU doesn't mean they're no longer going to support independence. The reasons why they supported independence haven't changed because of Brexit. The people Brexit has actually made a major difference to are the kind of middle class, pragmatic types who opposed independence in 2014 but now want no part in a post-Brexit UK.<br /><br />In other words, the net effect of Brexit on existing Yes supporters is likely to be limited, while the effect on No voters is likely to be far stronger. That would explain the swing in the poll we've seen.Bardotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-24921528919681727822016-06-27T17:58:38.495+01:002016-06-27T17:58:38.495+01:00The party % of the EU vote were broken down reason...The party % of the EU vote were broken down reasonably well by Ashcroft. Though that isn't be the same as your question. More factors also came into play than just the question on the Ballot. Things are also different now, to say the least. Which would indeed make it fairly interesting. Though it would also need to be qualified by priority since it is inevitable Indy would hold primacy in a lot of cases.Settled Willnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-48945300695478832922016-06-27T17:49:13.138+01:002016-06-27T17:49:13.138+01:00Expecting Indyref next week are you? Then don'...Expecting Indyref next week are you? Then don't be so amusingly petulant demanding immediate answers for something everyone knows we WILL make all the appropriate preparations for. <br /><br />You are somehow confusing us with the rank amateurs and incompetents who ran this shambolic referendum. A schoolboy error to be sure.<br /><br /><br />Nor will you get far on here having a hissy fit just because someone dares to contrast the complete and utter fucking chaos of those who SHOULD have had a plan with someone who is moving forward and has garnered mass support for her leadership and actions here in Scotland.Not Aldonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-65734850287321251452016-06-27T17:16:17.416+01:002016-06-27T17:16:17.416+01:00You still called Jo Cox's husband a fascist. S...You still called Jo Cox's husband a fascist. Sling your hook.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-67013561816003019542016-06-27T17:15:19.714+01:002016-06-27T17:15:19.714+01:00Lets get on with it.Lets get on with it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-45231363267179582022016-06-27T16:57:25.066+01:002016-06-27T16:57:25.066+01:00When can we expect a poll on support for EU member...When can we expect a poll on support for EU membership? That would be an interesting question to ask right now.keatonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-78003230144574431872016-06-27T16:52:59.397+01:002016-06-27T16:52:59.397+01:00James in the tables it says unweighted 2014 past v...James in the tables it says unweighted 2014 past vote is 50/50, and the weighted numbers show the previous referendum result as Yes: 52% No: 48%. Calumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18298701198248993553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-78864007467078596172016-06-27T16:49:24.457+01:002016-06-27T16:49:24.457+01:00Yeah that was my point.
Independence just now wit...Yeah that was my point.<br /><br />Independence just now without a proper currency solution is daft in my opinion.<br /><br />Look, an independence campaign requires people to sit and weigh up the arguments again. A brand new white paper if you will. The arguments are now changed drastically and some of the answers are completely up in the air. Nicola Sturgeon has admitted as much.<br /><br />I state again she has not come up with a single pertinent point as to how we move forward, not a criticism, just a fact. To be fair much of the way forward is completely out of her control.<br /><br />Hopefully I avoid the stupidity of the resident trolls on here. If you disagree at least have the decency to validate your argument. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-68334354975212786402016-06-27T16:39:52.023+01:002016-06-27T16:39:52.023+01:00Weird piece in the Express on the Survation poll, ...Weird piece in the Express on the Survation poll, claiming that SNP voters are the most anti-EU of any party in Scotland, because they're ahead of Labour and the LDs. They literally appear to have forgotten about the existence of the Conservatives. Are these people actually being given money to write this stuff?keatonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-36462662087118612492016-06-27T16:17:43.597+01:002016-06-27T16:17:43.597+01:00But it's not entirely up to Britain to decide ...But it's not entirely up to Britain to decide whether to opt for the Norway option. If the EU decides that's not on offer (and it sounds like they will do), there's nothing Britain can do about it.James Kellynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-29826866069517821752016-06-27T16:10:40.172+01:002016-06-27T16:10:40.172+01:00Credit where it's due, Cameron did at least sh...Credit where it's due, Cameron did at least show up to resign. Before going off to have a wee cry.keatonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-89157554275298058392016-06-27T16:04:00.754+01:002016-06-27T16:04:00.754+01:00Except they didn't vote for any such thing. Th...Except they didn't vote for any such thing. The question was "Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?" Now that the answer is clear, we have to leave the EU. What happens afterwards is completely open to question. Do we opt for the Singapore model, or the Norway model. If the UK decides to go for the Norway model (the more likely option), then our borders will remain outwith our control vis-a-vis EU migration. We've been sold a pup.<br />Alex BirnieAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-55784015041190450982016-06-27T15:55:55.831+01:002016-06-27T15:55:55.831+01:00One question, Aldo - how will Scotland adopt the E...One question, Aldo - how will Scotland adopt the Euro? Will the ECB allow us to bypass the ERM? Will it ignore its current policy of not even allowing any new countries to adopt the Euro until the economy is in a more stable position?Kennynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-84454110054051924152016-06-27T15:53:16.906+01:002016-06-27T15:53:16.906+01:00Cameron is still going down in history as one of t...Cameron is still going down in history as one of the most incompetent and disasterous PM's in modern times. <br /><br />Particularly after his cowardly fucking off, hiding for days and having no plan for Brexit.<br /><br />Same goes for Osborne.Foppocalypse Nownoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-89496885547680573892016-06-27T15:48:18.709+01:002016-06-27T15:48:18.709+01:00A currency union whether Euro or Pound would be a ...A currency union whether Euro or Pound would be a disaster. Sovereign Scottish currency is the only way forward. Really hope the SNP get their act together on the currency front this time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-21300920388493766002016-06-27T15:46:41.800+01:002016-06-27T15:46:41.800+01:00A complete twat but a twat who can easily hold the...A complete twat but a twat who can easily hold the incompetent Boris and the tory party to hostage from here on in on the immigration part of Brexit and Brexit itself.<br /><br />Which he will do.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-749512995249417292016-06-27T15:45:43.669+01:002016-06-27T15:45:43.669+01:00And GWC is the left one.And GWC is the left one.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com