tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post1686285207747763242..comments2024-03-29T04:11:41.539+00:00Comments on SCOT goes POP!: Tory cabinet minister boasts that democracy in Scotland is dead with the chilling threat : "Forget it, Jocks"James Kellyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01516007141763230886noreply@blogger.comBlogger41125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-88804286915180398642017-02-05T08:07:13.936+00:002017-02-05T08:07:13.936+00:00Absolute bloody state of this.Absolute bloody state of this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-52721826365974175272017-02-04T12:21:14.396+00:002017-02-04T12:21:14.396+00:00Simple Yes or No question or have you transferred ...Simple Yes or No question or have you transferred the banana from your erse tae yer mouth.Glasgow Working Classnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-16067075804416293282017-02-04T06:02:21.804+00:002017-02-04T06:02:21.804+00:00Tell it to the Dreary Heil, dearie, in your favour...Tell it to the Dreary Heil, dearie, in your favourite green ink.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-84265450067766366852017-02-03T18:29:58.789+00:002017-02-03T18:29:58.789+00:00Just wondering Nat sis if the Yes had won by one v...Just wondering Nat sis if the Yes had won by one vote would that have been a mandate for independence?Glasgow Working Class 2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-86428186822908589922017-02-03T17:05:07.614+00:002017-02-03T17:05:07.614+00:00You live in a country where the avoidance of tax i...You live in a country where the avoidance of tax is looked on as a less serious transgression than being one minute late for a DWP interviewAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-26298861300367463842017-02-03T15:10:54.084+00:002017-02-03T15:10:54.084+00:00Go James! When do we start marching?Go James! When do we start marching?jonnyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14048222132685791083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-3019108207421948412017-02-03T13:29:21.101+00:002017-02-03T13:29:21.101+00:00Nobody lied...they may have grossly underestimated...Nobody lied...they may have grossly underestimated (and thereby underemphasised) the chance that a future referendum would actually take place and that if it did the vote would be to leave the EU...but that works both ways...the SNP never campaigned seriously or in any prolonged matter on the EU and if the leave EU had been polling in the high 50's you can be sure that the No campaign for the indyref would have gone all in on the issue of hard borders, customs tariffs etc etc <br />Also unsurprisingly for an SNP propaganda outlet (lets say the Drudge report to Wings Breitbart) you fundamentally misunderstand the concept of democracy...the point of it being that if you accept to be part of a polity (ie voting in a referendum to remain part of UK and all that entails) you than have to accept that the majority decision of that polity may not be ones you agree with...for example not even the most deranged fanationalists argue that because Dundee voted for independence their democratic rights have been trampled on because the rest of Scotland didntDunderheidhttp://hotmail.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-67368564256109178952017-02-03T11:30:40.451+00:002017-02-03T11:30:40.451+00:00Two points, Dunderheid : you're essentially ar...Two points, Dunderheid : you're essentially arguing that a) the electorate should have known that the No campaign were lying to them about EU membership, and b) 46% of the eligible electorate voting for a particular option in a referendum reaches the threshold for the abolition of democracy. Neither of those arguments strike me as being terribly promising.James Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01516007141763230886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-89374879091456866592017-02-03T08:33:22.079+00:002017-02-03T08:33:22.079+00:00Look if the SNP were stupid (or more likely coldly...Look if the SNP were stupid (or more likely coldly cynical enough) to ignore the clearly stated and well publicised intention of the governing party of the time that is fine...but you cannot claim later that you weren't aware of the possibility the UK would have a referendum on europe and that the result of that referendum would be to leave<br />Yes potential voters who don't vote don't count...unless you are trying to claim a "overwhelming majority" of voters support your position...if 59% of eligible voters either vote against or abstain from your position then you do not have an "overwhelming" majority. And lets be honest...if the indy ref had been No but with a turnout of 40% do you really imagine SNP fanatics would be shrugging their shoulders philosphically and placidly accepting the result...get real<br />Dunderheidhttp://hotmail.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-55141548115516748012017-02-03T05:12:17.729+00:002017-02-03T05:12:17.729+00:00Absolute bloody state of this.Absolute bloody state of this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-74083771873389356102017-02-03T05:10:49.549+00:002017-02-03T05:10:49.549+00:00Absolute bloody state of this.Absolute bloody state of this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-89379954517830019512017-02-03T02:00:54.815+00:002017-02-03T02:00:54.815+00:00He was honest and the majority swallyed his lies b...He was honest and the majority swallyed his lies because they knew he was lying. He wanted rid of Saddam and it happened. He and Bush won and the oil was secured. You are so naive Kate. Stick to raffia work and fluffy bunnies.Glasgow Working Class 2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-51101878208557272052017-02-02T21:14:12.269+00:002017-02-02T21:14:12.269+00:00No-one considered that the Tories would win the el...No-one considered that the Tories would win the election so all talk of the proposed EU referendum was just that..all talk.<br />Please stop using % of voting public as an indication of anything. If people don't vote they don't count.<br /><br />As for the SNP "peaking"! Aye, they have...for the last 10 years according to many journalists :Dmogabeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10320681792853275024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-43742774149175209322017-02-02T18:45:42.545+00:002017-02-02T18:45:42.545+00:00We need rules to stop certain demographics from vo...We need rules to stop certain demographics from voting. Certainly the ones I disagree with. What if Scots voted for independence? I wouldn't like that at all. <br /><br />We just can't risk democracy in Scotland. And anyway Trump will save us with a jam-and-missile-based trade deal if we grovel enough at the altar of his great flaxen-haired majesticness.WeSaidNoToYesMennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-51652276921490589742017-02-02T17:53:06.661+00:002017-02-02T17:53:06.661+00:00Also if 41% is an "overwhelming" mandate...Also if 41% is an "overwhelming" mandate then what is 46%? (percentage of pro Union voters in 2014)..a stupendously overwhelming mandate...perhaps one big enough to eliminate the need for another referendumDunderheidhttp://hotmail.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-35927977704841157352017-02-02T17:47:56.180+00:002017-02-02T17:47:56.180+00:00True but no one (sensible) claims an "overwhe...True but no one (sensible) claims an "overwhelming" mandate for LeaveDunderheidhttp://hotmail.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-34158533718808284202017-02-02T17:39:59.230+00:002017-02-02T17:39:59.230+00:00We do anywayWe do anywaydeekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08047084492162089821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-77828513346408209102017-02-02T17:36:47.252+00:002017-02-02T17:36:47.252+00:00Scotland dindn't vote on EU membership...the U...<i>Scotland dindn't vote on EU membership...the UK did. Basically this boils down to an unwillingness of Fanationalists to accept the democratic will of the Scottish people in the 2014 Referendum. BTW 41%% of voting public is hardly an overwhelming mandate...</i><br /><br />We're leaving the EU on the say of 37% of the voting public.keatonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-36460324810574773512017-02-02T17:27:25.155+00:002017-02-02T17:27:25.155+00:00@ Glasgow Working Class 2...
You mean being HONES...@ Glasgow Working Class 2...<br />You mean being HONEST like Labour? LIke the war mongerer Blair was when he addressed the House of Commons and told a blatant lie, (start of project fear) which even the enquiry admitted he did. OR the lie about WHEN he actually told BUSH, "Y'all can bet I am with you no matter what." The thing about HIS lies and those of your party is, HE & they with their bloody daft voting, killed MILLIONS of people, HE brought jihadist to these shores. IT must be the only time the LABOUR party did not ABSTAIN. If you were really (working class) you would have opened your eyes by now, smelled the coffee, and said FCUK this so called PEOPLES/WORKERS party, I want INDEPENDENCE from the racist war mongering WESTMINSTER.Katehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08266225117407578588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-15808648388636989082017-02-02T17:24:42.038+00:002017-02-02T17:24:42.038+00:00Jock Nat si fash take over Croy post office raise ...Jock Nat si fash take over Croy post office raise the Saltire and declare UDI. Thousands of locals come out in support waving Irish Tricolours. Confused Nat sis retreat thinking they are in the wrong country. Post office opens tomorrow and large queues expected from local community for benefit collection.Glasgow Working Class 2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-1636809937471228232017-02-02T17:10:57.827+00:002017-02-02T17:10:57.827+00:001: Your memory of the referendum may be different...1: Your memory of the referendum may be different to mine but I don't think the defining issue was membership of the EU...of course it was mentioned but it was nowhere near being main focus of either campaign...and to be honest if it had so called Project Fear would have latched onto it with a vengeance...hard borders etc etc. Plus it is hard to argue bad faith on behalf of unionist politicians on both sides of the border when the EU referendum was proposed well before (march 2014) the Scottish referendum (sept 2014) + all the Scottish politicians (+ majority of UK politicians) who campaigned for the union campaigned just as vigourously for remaining in EU...I seem to remember Ruth Davidson for example handing BoJo his ass during a National debate on the issue<br /><br />2: Scotland dindn't vote on EU membership...the UK did. Basically this boils down to an unwillingness of Fanationalists to accept the democratic will of the Scottish people in the 2014 Referendum. BTW 41%% of voting public is hardly an overwhelming mandate...<br /><br />3: Any compromise policies are completely unworkeable and the SNP knows it which is of course why they propose them...no modern unitary state has ever existed within which there are different customs regimes within that state...to argue that is possible is either the height of cynicism or stupidity<br /><br />4: If they had an overwhelming mandate they would have a absolute majority in Holyrood and they don't. And while many voters for the SNP voted for the second referendum it is clear many others voted for them for other reasons...otherwise why is their election polling always ahead of the indy or indy ref polling. For me it is clear that their is a significant portion of the electorate who like the SNP "standing up for Scotland" but balk at actual independence<br /><br />5: The point that Fallon is making is that the SNP support has peaked...an unknowable fact until we have another election of course...but just as the SNP successfully spun a convincingly lost independence referendum into some kind of historic victory...he is spinning a reduction in SNP vote share and a gain in Conservative vote share...it is called politicsDunderheidhttp://hotmail.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-34835685601248621552017-02-02T16:56:32.883+00:002017-02-02T16:56:32.883+00:00Absolute bloody state of this.Absolute bloody state of this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-1655690770782806332017-02-02T16:53:58.078+00:002017-02-02T16:53:58.078+00:00Absolute bloody state of this.Absolute bloody state of this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-12421025856407919742017-02-02T16:01:56.524+00:002017-02-02T16:01:56.524+00:00How does this make Scottish independence more like...How does this make Scottish independence more likely if there's no referendum?<br /><br />What are you going to do? UDI? That'll work when the country is split half and half. I look forward to the civil war. Or more likely the quiet seething against the english, who don't even have their own parliament so it can't be them doing this.<br /><br />Late breaking news: Due to Cowdenbeath being refused entry to the SPL they say they are totally wound up and going to beat Celtic 7-0. When pointed out they would never play Celtic because of this very ruling, the Blue Brazil put their fingers in their ears and started screeching.WeSaidNoToYesMennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-86101642377713655612017-02-02T15:52:09.395+00:002017-02-02T15:52:09.395+00:00Just another example from Fallon of the arrogance ...Just another example from Fallon of the arrogance and ignorance these britnats have for Scotland.Dan Huilnoreply@blogger.com