tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post1414810835592635669..comments2024-03-29T01:33:01.670+00:00Comments on SCOT goes POP!: It's still strictly platonicJames Kellyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01516007141763230886noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-42174388700925177242012-02-01T21:53:55.576+00:002012-02-01T21:53:55.576+00:00"your reply is more of the same"
It was...<i>"your reply is more of the same"</i><br /><br />It wasn't intended to be anything else.<br /><br /><i>"treating others with contempt"</i><br /><br />I'm sorry, Craig, but that's an utterly ludicrous characterisation of what I said during the exchange. If you want to know what treating people with contempt really looks like, consider that the person we're talking about here is not merely (as others have pointed out) a serial troll on these matters, but has also made highly personal comments about me and others over a period of a couple of years. For instance, she once falsely claimed I was autistic, and on another occasion maliciously posted the full name and address of a prolific Labour poster, complete with Google Earth street photo. Knowing that, I hope you would accept that the level of courtesy I've shown her is more than sufficient. If not, then clearly we'll have to agree to disagree - I'm simply not of the school of thought that holds that if someone spits on you on the street, the correct response is to smile and offer to shine their shoes.James Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01516007141763230886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-30237389877430825502012-02-01T20:16:17.797+00:002012-02-01T20:16:17.797+00:00Of course, I wouldn't argue with your right to...Of course, I wouldn't argue with your right to blog about whatever you want. I just posted an aimless ramble about postmodernism the other day that garnered zero comments, so I'm hardly the one to talk.<br /><br />But nonetheless, your reply is more of the same. I'm not familiar with individual unionists on various sites, particularly Political Betting, mainly because I don't think this is an argument that can be won one-by-one. Yes, challenge falsehoods, destroy misleading and subversive arguments, but it's hard to see how you're doing that from what you posted. I maintain that treating others with contempt, however contemptible they may be, is not the way to win this marathon debate we're all embarking on.<br /><br />Thanks for replying though.Craig Gallagherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16651039747592264903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-67139373538586340522012-02-01T12:48:03.030+00:002012-02-01T12:48:03.030+00:00Not just her comments, I had a read through that b...Not just her comments, I had a read through that blog and dearie me what a load of keech.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-53859436281895661442012-02-01T09:58:49.927+00:002012-02-01T09:58:49.927+00:00Nice one James. She's so enraged she just had ...Nice one James. She's so enraged she just had to respond in the end. I see she was using the phrase "Haggis Passport" on another thread.<br /><br />Frankly incredulous that your responses to her unionist trolling and bullying are described by Craig Gallagher above as perpetuating the myth of the cybernat?<br /><br />I suggest he goes over there and searches through Plato's comments about Scotland.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-329230713173733452012-02-01T07:41:13.150+00:002012-02-01T07:41:13.150+00:00Yes, I think since my last encounter with her she&...Yes, I think since my last encounter with her she's caught up with the Scottish government's consultation document, and realised to her dismay that all her "insurmountable practical objections" to votes at 16 have been dealt with!James Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01516007141763230886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-4087597744556887782012-02-01T07:31:01.252+00:002012-02-01T07:31:01.252+00:00Totally agree James. To call stnading up to the p...Totally agree James. To call stnading up to the political betting groupthink "Cybernattery" is daft.<br /><br />By the way, I see you ruffled MrsB's feathers again last night!Cordon Blahnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-28454544868732112002012-02-01T06:49:24.448+00:002012-02-01T06:49:24.448+00:00Welcome, Craig. To answer your points : firstly, o...Welcome, Craig. To answer your points : firstly, obviously the bottom line is that I blog about whatever I feel like blogging about (and not at all if I don't). I'm not planning to make any changes. Secondly, I don't know if you're familiar with PB, but Plato is notorious for her passive-aggressive repertoire, and I can assure you that her questions were not meant even remotely seriously. I could have gone into a 10,000 word dissertation on the subject of fiscal autonomy, and she would have picked up on one small detail and demanded "Link?" (usually something she knows is impossible to provide a link to, such as a ten-year-old TV programme) and then pretended that nothing I had written had any validity because of my failure to back up 0.000001% of it with a non-existent link. You can see the same pattern with the exchange I've recounted here - she completely ignores the fact that I did indeed address all of her questions, and in spite of what you say, although those answers were brief and treated the questions with the minimal respect they deserved, they were all genuine rather than 'side-stepping' answers.<br /><br />In the midst of this exchange with Plato, I also had another exchange on the same topic with a much more serious unionist poster called Southam Observer (one of the very few PB Labour supporters), and my answers to him were much more serious and detailed. But that was because I was talking to someone who was actually interested in engaging with what I said, not to someone who in TheUnionDivvie's words was determined to "thqweem & thqweem & thqweem" unless I answered yet another of her questions NOW!<br /><br />As for whether you should give up on this blog, I can only caution you that this post is not untypical (contrary to what you said, though, it's not actually the second in a row!). On the subject of the 'Cybernat' phenomenon, I associate that word more with abusive behaviour and talk of "traitors", etc., than with robust debate, but you may see it differently.James Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01516007141763230886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-63913764283438681102012-02-01T00:16:40.828+00:002012-02-01T00:16:40.828+00:00To be honest, James, you are rather perpetuating t...To be honest, James, you are rather perpetuating the tired old myth of the Cybernat. This is the second post you've made in a row devoted to an argument on a blog, which frankly I think you're crowing about a little too much.<br /><br />The trick with disingenuous Unionist questions is not to belittle or sidestep them, as you are doing, but to meet them head on and demolish them with the truth. The argument re the Bank of England setting Scotland's monetary rates is, in all seriousness, a fair one, and it's up to us nationalists to explain that the question misses the point and that fiscal independence is about policy direction, not interest rates.<br /><br />I've heard good things about your blog so I'm not giving up yet, but a bit more analysis and a bit less about back-and-forths on the internet would be appreciated.Craig Gallagherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16651039747592264903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-71031243669379332292012-01-31T23:35:37.778+00:002012-01-31T23:35:37.778+00:00James, you do deserve a medal sparring on Politica...James, you do deserve a medal sparring on Political Bitching. <br /><br />Came across this article - it deserves a wider audience.<br /><br />http://newsnetscotland.com/index.php/scottish-economy/4235-would-an-independent-scotland-be-financially-soundMarcianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-4973851908489148752012-01-31T22:56:18.550+00:002012-01-31T22:56:18.550+00:00I know that you are trying to provide some truth t...I know that you are trying to provide some truth to the casual reader of PB to counter the relentless racism of OldGreyHair(lol) and the Herd, but it does seem to resemble the small voices of sanity in the anti-Scotsman comment threads.<br /><br />Why does a woman who ,"knows nothing about Scotland and cares even less," spend so much time attacking this non-country?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com