tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post1143587110709073353..comments2024-03-29T05:53:21.060+00:00Comments on SCOT goes POP!: Jim Sillars is now, to all intents and purposes, opposed to an independent ScotlandJames Kellyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01516007141763230886noreply@blogger.comBlogger63125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-20925703685426571952018-04-16T18:37:20.913+01:002018-04-16T18:37:20.913+01:00Union2, do you really think Scotland as a nation h...Union2, do you really think Scotland as a nation has more powers and influence with devolution in the UK, compared to independence within the EU ?<br />There are other arguments for the union, but this doesn't seem like a credible one at all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-68762450147856039092018-04-12T14:48:40.952+01:002018-04-12T14:48:40.952+01:00we got a shot at it in 2014 and failed. The peopl...we got a shot at it in 2014 and failed. The people wanted to have their say overwhelmingly. <br /><br />The same can't be said this time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-86869425653409649702018-04-12T14:47:24.586+01:002018-04-12T14:47:24.586+01:00the article seems to be under the illusion that 60...the article seems to be under the illusion that 60% is impossible.<br /><br />the union had 60% and more polling support. gay marriage polling 60%, brexit vote over 60%.<br /><br />it's not impossible if it's what the people want.<br /><br />Clearly what the point is, is that only hold the vote when the people want it. It's not rocket science.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-9821783905621108852018-04-11T22:27:41.709+01:002018-04-11T22:27:41.709+01:00Ha Ha poster boy blocked me too.Ha Ha poster boy blocked me too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-41739756856518256432018-04-11T13:26:25.977+01:002018-04-11T13:26:25.977+01:00Jim Sillars wants a Socialist gvt.Margo was the dr...Jim Sillars wants a Socialist gvt.Margo was the driving force for Independence,not Jim.If a Socialist gvt. was in WM, Jim would throw any idea of Independence under a bus,and Scotland along with it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-14137966698640204642018-04-11T12:56:02.623+01:002018-04-11T12:56:02.623+01:00I think he was on keyboards, Not guitar actually.....I think he was on keyboards, Not guitar actually...Stravaigernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-38407834744319437632018-04-11T05:30:52.530+01:002018-04-11T05:30:52.530+01:00State of this and its impotent rage.State of this and its impotent rage.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-5694439999185476652018-04-10T20:57:57.641+01:002018-04-10T20:57:57.641+01:006 MEPs with the power of veto is better than 100 M...<i>6 MEPs with the power of veto is better than 100 MPs in a parliament of 1,000 where the majority rules.</i><br /><br />In fact, we'd likely have twice as many MEPs. Under the UK, Scotland is under-represented in the European Parliament. Ireland is smaller than Scotland and has 11 MEPs. Denmark is slightly bigger and has 13.keatonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-39243396527743009142018-04-10T19:56:13.168+01:002018-04-10T19:56:13.168+01:00Aye well there will be no British MEPs raking in t...Aye well there will be no British MEPs raking in the dosh pretty soon. They will no doubt be competing for a skive in their respective parties.<br />You have lost Nat sis.GWC2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-58954257340712400132018-04-10T19:49:32.371+01:002018-04-10T19:49:32.371+01:001 MEP with the power of veto holds more power than...1 MEP with the power of veto holds more power than 10% of the MPs in Westminster.Illynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-23671465676124155412018-04-10T19:47:41.886+01:002018-04-10T19:47:41.886+01:00Actually, it's quite simple:
The SNP's US...Actually, it's quite simple:<br /><br />The SNP's USP, in a lot of people's eyes, is that they stick to their word. When they say something, then they actually do it.<br /><br />They said they'd hold another referendum on Scottish Independence if Brexit went through, so either they do so, or they never get elected again.<br /><br />Why this is under debate baffles me. For the SNP to survive as a political party, they simply have no choice about holding this referendum. Anyone who wants them to go back on their word wants them dead, plain and simple.Illynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-49447332853569998542018-04-10T19:44:30.761+01:002018-04-10T19:44:30.761+01:00Maggie Thatcher said that the only mandate needed ...Maggie Thatcher said that the only mandate needed for Scotland to go independent would be if a majority of Scottish Commons seats were held by the SNP.<br /><br />It's a disgrace to her memory that Scotland wasn't granted her independence when that happened!<br /><br />Why are we talking about referendums, when the arch-witch herself's words proclaim us independent?Illynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-69577415196864879142018-04-10T19:41:50.101+01:002018-04-10T19:41:50.101+01:00Ahh, yes, the "it's democracy" argum...Ahh, yes, the "it's democracy" argument, saying that it's only democratic that the 9 wolves eat the sheep.<br /><br />Never even considering what the sheep's reaction to that "democracy" should reasonably be.Illynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-40370462206558534272018-04-10T19:35:05.598+01:002018-04-10T19:35:05.598+01:00Think there is plenty of that kind of debate and t...Think there is plenty of that kind of debate and thought going on within the yes movement, its just that those 'floating' Nos are by their very nature not very likely to engage in the subject deeply enough at the moment to change their minds. This will not happen until they really are faced with the need for a decision. This kind of inertia only ever really gets overcome thru a fully fledged campaign. It needs a universally accepted 'all important' decision date looming on their horizon, then effective arguments work because they are actively looking for them. <br /><br />In my experience during 2014, many converts from 'floating No' to Yes happened over the last few days, never mind weeks. This is the power of a real campaign, for a real decision! It's this reality that brings in the 'normal' folk that don't normally follow in detail because they correctly understand that all the talk and arguments are a waste of their time as it just talk and leads to nothing. Not in a Referendum campaign it doesn't! <br /><br />We NEED a Campaign! simple. :)<br /><br />bracoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-18816875830530778712018-04-10T18:50:43.025+01:002018-04-10T18:50:43.025+01:00"...that more powers will come closer to Scot..."...that more powers will come closer to Scotland with Brexit"<br /><br />"closer"? these powers, which are Scotland's right, will not come closer to Scotland unless we fight for them. Westminster is no friend of Scotland.<br /><br />"...it’s better to be in the UK and out of the EU than out of the UK but in the EU, as Scotland’s voice is bigger in the UK."<br /><br />Ha ha ha! At least you've brightened my dreich with that one.Dan Huilnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-3131833225251407352018-04-10T18:19:37.249+01:002018-04-10T18:19:37.249+01:00I concur. We spend far too much effort debating ta...I concur. We spend far too much effort debating tactics/strategy, and bugger all time trying to target floating voters (of whom there are hundreds of thousands). Fortunately for us, the Unionists are also ignoring the huge group of unconvinced voters and are content to preach to folk already firmly in the John Bull camp. That may not last.Stuart Dicksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08899934797220797186noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-52383380454333272018-04-10T18:07:22.868+01:002018-04-10T18:07:22.868+01:00Yer a bonnie fechter James.Yer a bonnie fechter James.Stuart Dicksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08899934797220797186noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-1341193184851680692018-04-10T18:03:57.078+01:002018-04-10T18:03:57.078+01:00Whereas you are underestimating the cost of not ho...Whereas you are underestimating the cost of not holding a second referendum while we actually have a mandate to do so. We won't be having a second go at all once we no longer have a pro-referendum majority at Holyrood. It always bemuses me that people "warn" that a second defeat would take a referendum off the table for a generation, when taking a referendum off the table for a generation is what they are actively embracing anyway. If you're comfortable with Scotland remaining part of the UK for the next twenty years, why are you so scared of defeat in an early referendum? How would we be any worse off? It makes no sense.James Kellynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-6220771942648127322018-04-10T17:55:24.361+01:002018-04-10T17:55:24.361+01:00I think this analysis is correct, although of cour...I think this analysis is correct, although of course the % given could be quibbled. Brexit is a "change of circumstances", which makes the pro-independence core think that there must be a referendum in this Holyrood term. Yet the politics of Brexit are a complicating factor, and you are forcing people to reconsider basically the same question twice in quick succession - Yes would clearly start any referendum as the underdog.<br /><br />I think James is under-estimating the cost of holding and losing a second referendum. I don't think you could credibly have a third go anytime soon.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18030288559421186872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-15419918703148278472018-04-10T17:36:58.269+01:002018-04-10T17:36:58.269+01:00State of this.State of this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-54405675130962419202018-04-10T17:34:22.265+01:002018-04-10T17:34:22.265+01:00State of this.State of this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-68056149807991747852018-04-10T17:20:50.065+01:002018-04-10T17:20:50.065+01:00Taranaich, having another referendum too soon afte...Taranaich, having another referendum too soon after 2014 is an insult to the integrity of the Scottish people. We are not Ireland where the government and EU frightened the Irish people into having a second referendum over the Lisbon Treaty. Accept the 2014 referendum and give it 12 years until those born on 2014 are 16 years of age.GWC2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-1668754138990528442018-04-10T16:55:03.313+01:002018-04-10T16:55:03.313+01:00Sillars is probably more interested in the welfare...Sillars is probably more interested in the welfare and economic prosperity of the Scottish people than a bunch of English hating nat sis resident in Scotland and beyond.<br />His anti EU stance is credible as the Scottish nat si slivering snakes would sell out Scotland to the EU.GWC2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-17293325614530705052018-04-10T16:43:36.505+01:002018-04-10T16:43:36.505+01:00I’m just saying it’s democracy. Liberal Democrat O...I’m just saying it’s democracy. Liberal Democrat Orkney & Shetland are outvoted in the Scottish Parliament. So is south Scotland which is conservative.Union 2.0https://www.blogger.com/profile/16006292834539508418noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-52150577331875595162018-04-10T16:43:02.826+01:002018-04-10T16:43:02.826+01:00"We would have 6 MEPs in an EU Parliament whi..."We would have 6 MEPs in an EU Parliament which has 751 MEPs."<br /><br />6 MEPs with the power of veto is better than 100 MPs in a parliament of 1,000 where the majority rules.Illynoreply@blogger.com