tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post1100894581438868703..comments2024-03-28T20:23:34.172+00:00Comments on SCOT goes POP!: Dr Mike Ryan of the WHO ferociously denounces UK-style herd immunity strategies: "Humans are not herds", "No-one is safe until everyone is safe"James Kellyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01516007141763230886noreply@blogger.comBlogger61125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-35838900165424037732020-05-13T08:38:06.684+01:002020-05-13T08:38:06.684+01:00Covidia knows better than to question its masters....Covidia knows better than to question its masters. Its ultra-right-wing authoritarianism is born of obedience and doublethink. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-89103552424515938192020-05-13T08:35:31.885+01:002020-05-13T08:35:31.885+01:00Covidia knows its place and never questions its ov...Covidia knows its place and never questions its overlords or their contradictions. It obeys through doublethink.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-75878779194008997752020-05-13T08:31:57.036+01:002020-05-13T08:31:57.036+01:00Stench of this and its unwarranted narcissism.Stench of this and its unwarranted narcissism.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-18077001246282487942020-05-13T02:20:16.251+01:002020-05-13T02:20:16.251+01:00I like how you fascists turn on each other when th...I like how you fascists turn on each other when there is disagreement. There is no debate just hatred. Well done. GWCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-68763523576394115512020-05-13T01:22:07.703+01:002020-05-13T01:22:07.703+01:00Took the words from my mouth.Took the words from my mouth.IainMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16275938824368038982noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-10086495767390087162020-05-13T01:21:32.222+01:002020-05-13T01:21:32.222+01:00Is it Iain Macwhirter or a clone stroke new sleeve...Is it Iain Macwhirter or a clone stroke new sleeve in his place? When did he turn into a Brit Tory Lunatic?IainMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16275938824368038982noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-45625780814407545692020-05-13T00:51:42.596+01:002020-05-13T00:51:42.596+01:00Time has already told that it is true. Their deat...Time has already told that it is true. Their death toll is much worse than their Nordic neighbours, and in particular there's been carnage in Swedish care homes. They've already apologised for failing their elderly.James Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05264559835025144323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-13085092305361797552020-05-13T00:34:05.062+01:002020-05-13T00:34:05.062+01:00The total diddy that is Johnston will end up creat...The total diddy that is Johnston will end up creating the dreadful combination of extensive economic damage and large numbers of uneccessary dead. It's about time the idiots who voted for him took some responsibility for voting for the lazy, psychopathic, incompetent, clown.Independence for Scotlandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10335330210460885789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-42644240095467077852020-05-12T23:57:55.250+01:002020-05-12T23:57:55.250+01:00We would love to give you funds for your excellent...We would love to give you funds for your excellent cause however we are funding our great leader President Trump. We wish you well. Landover Baptist Churchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-7406978887654231642020-05-12T23:21:48.305+01:002020-05-12T23:21:48.305+01:00Nothing would please me more. As I'm sure you ...Nothing would please me more. As I'm sure you are aware, group prayer and affirmation are an important part of the life and liturgy of the Holy Church of Bath. <br /><br />Might I suggest one of our Lord Father's favourites: a holy recitation of the bank details? The Deacon Gregor MacGregor of the Holy Church of Bathnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-596296962662977802020-05-12T23:10:35.134+01:002020-05-12T23:10:35.134+01:00That was a fine sermon Deacon Gregor. Would you li...That was a fine sermon Deacon Gregor. Would you like to join us in prayer. Deacon Fred. Landover Baptist Churchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-43001400927125408872020-05-12T23:05:49.526+01:002020-05-12T23:05:49.526+01:00I do not recall the PM outlaying this strategy or ...I do not recall the PM outlaying this strategy or using the herd word. Surely Knickerless would have scolded him. GWCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-8713635777628833532020-05-12T23:03:49.268+01:002020-05-12T23:03:49.268+01:00Oh ye of little faith! Cast down your false idols ...Oh ye of little faith! Cast down your false idols and false profits, renounce your Sturgeons, declare the Lord of Bath your One True Lord, and (subject to the sufficiency and sustainability of your monthly financial contribution) He shall lead you to the Promised Land! <br /><br />For All True Believers know that our Noble Shepherd of Bath has led us into the Foothills of Independence. All True Believers know that the Satanic Sturgeons casts up only False Summits before us. But All True Believers know that (subject to the sufficiency and sustainability of your monthly fee) the Almighty shall deliver us with Winged Haste unto the Promised Land! Eventually! Someday! And any attacks on Sturgeon are NOT - repeat - NOT - cynical attempts to fracture the independence movement and secure a cushy financial future by exploiting the gullible congregations in a movement that has been intentionally scuppered by those who'll only get paid to sloth about on their erses sniping from the Beloved Parish of Bath so long as the Promised Land is never reached. <br /><br />So Spread Forth into the world my Little Lambs and spread the Good News! Invite the Yet unsaved to commit to Charitable Works, such as, say, the protracted monetary pampering of our Lord and Saviour - for only We Blessed Few know with certainty that it is in these Divine Acts of subsidy that our Commitment to the Cause is Made Clear. Remind them to attend one of the occasional trite recycled sermons at Our Lord of Bath's House, on the subject "1984" - the only book the Faithful must ever read, for it is the only book our Divine Almighty appears ever to have read. <br /><br />And remind them, above all, of the Edict written in stone and handed down upon the slopes of Ben Lomond, which did read: "Lo, and so did the Faithful give generously of their credit card details and PIN numbers, and did Dutifully remortgage their homes and sell their vital organs and first born sons, that our Lord and Saviour of Bath might receive Due Homage. And lo, was it also noted in small-lettering that terms and conditions apply on a non-refundable basis."<br /><br />Amen (subject to guaranteed indefinite remittance).The Deacon Gregor MacGregor of the Holy Church of Bathnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-43628149497449062222020-05-12T21:32:03.178+01:002020-05-12T21:32:03.178+01:00Aye, Boris explained his herd immunity strategy li...Aye, Boris explained his herd immunity strategy live on the telly. Described how the virus would be allowed to 'work its way through the population', who would 'take it on the chin'. He didn't seem to be hiding it. As you say, he made it clear his plan meant a lot of deaths. There was no deception. Scottish Skierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10584099659760612109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-20592700337657374802020-05-12T21:18:16.077+01:002020-05-12T21:18:16.077+01:00There was no lies or deception. The PM said from t...There was no lies or deception. The PM said from the onset that people would die. In these days of scientific advance our experts are trying to catch up. People who play their sad political games over this virus are beneath contempt. Sadly the virus will probably not get them. GWCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-83237667717773857602020-05-12T21:06:01.367+01:002020-05-12T21:06:01.367+01:00 reckless Swedish philosophy
Only time will tell ... reckless Swedish philosophy <br />Only time will tell if that is true......pipinghotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-83318254435430237522020-05-12T20:43:07.780+01:002020-05-12T20:43:07.780+01:00You're inferring opinions are for those that h...You're inferring opinions are for those that have the capacity or ability to pay for them. A strange thing for a socialist or social democrat to do. What would you do with the freeloaders (your words) skier.<br /> <br />As for being sad or paranoid, well we assume you have some expertise in the those disciplines. We defer to you. Alba for Independencehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02976605539450227099noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-29791777330205153532020-05-12T20:27:03.712+01:002020-05-12T20:27:03.712+01:00You haven't sold this new party well here.You haven't sold this new party well here.Scottish Skierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10584099659760612109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-74456129706759433282020-05-12T20:21:29.531+01:002020-05-12T20:21:29.531+01:00Coming a bit late to the party, this is yet anothe...Coming a bit late to the party, this is yet another misunderstanding of the term "herd immunity" that has appeared for the first time in this debate. The term is not a veterinary one, as I had to be at pains to tell my animal science students when I was lecturing on the subject. It is categorically <i>not</i> about being concerned only with the health of the herd. It is a term frequently and correctly used in human medicine to describe the situation where a high enough percentage of a population is immune to a disease <i>so that even the non-immune individuals don't get infected.</i> Although not every individual is immune the "herd" as a whole is immune and as such the herd protects its non-immune members.<br /><br />As has so frequently been pointed out, this percentage is not achievable without vaccination. You can't line people up and forcibly expose them to a pathogen. You can't protect new members of the herd without a vaccine.<br /><br />The most common context for the herd immunity discussion relates to measles virus and the anti-vax movement. When nearly all children are vaccinated even those who aren't (infants too young to be vaccinated, children with immunosuppressive illnesses and so on) are still protected by the "herd" of immune children around them. If too many children remain unvaccinated these vulnerable individuals start falling sick.<br /><br />The standard misuse of the term herd immunity in the context of the pandemic is its use to describe the progress of the disease to a point where enough people are immune to stop epidemic flare-ups of infection and the virus becomes endemic. That is to say it is always there and people get sick and die all the time, just at the rate of hundreds a week rather than hundreds a day. Initially the government was OK with that as an end-point because it was thought people would just accept that and life would go on.<br /><br />The deception was that many people assumed that this so-called "herd immunity" goal was actually a situation where the virus would be driven out of the population, which is what herd immunity really means. But as I said that can't occur without a vaccine. If real herd immunity happens, vulnerable people don't need to shelter. If the disease is simply endemic, they do, because they're always at risk. The idea that they could have their epidemic then let the oldies out of their 12-week isolation and it would all be fine was an absolute lie and a deception all along.<br /><br />Of course it was a lie and a deception two ways, because they didn't actually shelter the elderly and the vulnerable at all and half the deaths have been in care homes. But even the vulnerable sheltering at home will never be able to come out until either this virus is properly suppressed as described, or there is a vaccine.Rolfehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17849975010197698907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-17765842296166448212020-05-12T19:47:31.283+01:002020-05-12T19:47:31.283+01:00Eh, the Greens are a single issue party, but if th...Eh, the Greens are a single issue party, but if they said they didn't support Independence only 14 people would ever vote for them<br /><br />The Liberal Democrats are a single issue party, their issue is *we're Tory lite vote for us we're nice* not true but still<br /><br />Tory and Labour are a single issue party, notice I put them together because they are one party, one no different to the other<br />and their issue is *no to Independence*<br /><br />These parties have proved their actual worth and it's lessAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-61194835074377946242020-05-12T19:47:14.163+01:002020-05-12T19:47:14.163+01:00I could never trust anyone that lies about how a v...I could never trust anyone that lies about how a voting system works in an attempt to get me to vote for them.<br /><br />I also have to say I don't trust people who screamed 'Sturgeon should resign!' just ahead of a key election where the SNP really needed (at least in an anti-propaganda sense) to get a bigger % of the vote in Scotland than the Tories got UK wide.<br /><br />Whether I think she's the right leader or not, undermining the SNP at such a key moment is what a unionist would do.<br /><br />If Sturgeon calls for the resignation of the SNP leader just ahead of a key election too, I definitely not be trusting her either. Scottish Skierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10584099659760612109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-77348873199622737682020-05-12T18:54:44.696+01:002020-05-12T18:54:44.696+01:00Fully agree with you there Skier, it's just th...Fully agree with you there Skier, it's just that for many, many Yes supporting SNP voters THE most important thing they are voting for is Independence, and it is that vote that they feel is being co-opted by the SNP into party political policies that are not the priority for their vote. As time goes by for a party in government, voter disconnect becomes worse and worse. It is why popular governments finally get voted out after time. The suspicion among many Yessers (only a suspicion but important none the less), is that the SNP are trying to counter that natural party political gravity by corralling the frustrated Indy support into their voting booth as the 'only party of independence'. They fear a single issue list party because they don't believe they can pull that trick off if a real alternative Indy Party exists. The irony is that a Single issue List Only party (rather than a conventional alternative Indy Party with policies etc) will likeley increase their support in the constituencies as the Indy supporter comes to understand the simple message and importance of BOTH votes for Indy! :)<br /><br />braco Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-66913824905814769382020-05-12T18:48:12.053+01:002020-05-12T18:48:12.053+01:00The English, Welsh, NI Irish and Jocks are very we...The English, Welsh, NI Irish and Jocks are very well represented at Westminster. We do no need the hanger oan additional extras. ND, I am unable to march tae ma lavvie never mind Skiers. However his French wife would leave him once she claps her eyes on me. GWCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-62573568600137864102020-05-12T18:20:25.570+01:002020-05-12T18:20:25.570+01:00'Not some spare second one''Not some spare second one'Scottish Skierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10584099659760612109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-45161613718336881762020-05-12T17:58:23.518+01:002020-05-12T17:58:23.518+01:00Thanks for your response Braco. My observations / ...Thanks for your response Braco. My observations / questions are genuine. <br /><br />This kind of fleshed out a bit is what will be needed. Voters will want to understand how any new party will vote on key issues in the chamber. <br /><br />They will also need to be told honestly what will happen with their vote, and that you can't cheat PR.<br /><br />For example, in East Lothian, if people don't vote SNP on the list, then they may will not be voting SNP at all, as Labour could again take the constituency, making an SNP vote 'wasted' under FPTP (not counting towards the make up of parliament). <br /><br />In 2016, any SNP voters in East Lothian who had e.g. opted for a SCIP list vote, would have in effect not voted SNP - their favourite party - at all. Just for SCIP.<br /><br />The list vote is a persons most important vote as it's PR so always counted. The FPTP constituency vote is much more risky and is the only place you can vote tactically to minimise the risk of it being wasted. <br /><br />So, you vote for your favourite party on the list, then 'tactically' if desired on the constituency. That's how AMS works. <br /><br />This is why I need to know exactly how any list party will vote; I know this to be my most important vote, so some 'spare' second one that I can hand out willy nilly. Scottish Skierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10584099659760612109noreply@blogger.com