Sunday, August 2, 2020

It's time to democratise the SNP's NEC

Earlier this evening, I had a brief but interesting Twitter exchange with the former SNP MSP Andrew Wilson, who incidentally I voted for back in the day no fewer than four times - twice when he was the SNP candidate for Cumbernauld & Kilsyth in 1999 and 2003, and twice when he was a Central Scotland list candidate in the same years.  (He was elected on the list in 1999, but missed out in 2003 due to his ranking on the list being too low - ironically as the result of something of a stitch-up.)

















Now, in fairness, what Andrew says about being unhappy with the NEC decision does check out - I had a look through some of his earlier tweets and he had made the same point before. So I'm happy to apologise to him for getting the wrong end of the stick. (I know some cynical souls will suggest that we may simply be seeing a tactical retreat after the NEC decision had already proved to be unsustainable. But we have to take what people say at face value in the absence of contrary evidence.)

Nevertheless, it's also reasonable to point out that I gave Andrew the opportunity to explain exactly what he did mean by the comments I misconstrued, and as you can see he very studiously avoided doing so. There presumably must be a reason for his reluctance to publicly explain what "placating the gallery" is getting at.  Off the top of my head, I can only really think of a small number of demands that people have been making on social media - one is that the decision to block James Dornan be overturned (that's already happened), one is that the decision to block Joanna Cherry be overturned (Andrew says he'd support that), and one is that people should think more carefully about who is placed on the NEC and the process by which they end up being placed there.  Is it the latter demand that Andrew is concerned about?  This is not an attempt to "cast aspersions", but when an explanation isn't forthcoming, all that can fill that gap is a process of logical deduction, and I'm struggling to think of any other possibilities.

If I'm right, it's little wonder that Andrew is unwilling to spell out what he means, because the calls to reform the NEC are a simple matter of democratic accountability.  To the limited extent that the NEC is elected at all, it's elected by an indirect method, and that's bound to cause great concern if the end result is a body taking decisions that are alien to the wishes of the wider party membership.  As for the observation that those who do have the opportunity to elect NEC members should take the process more seriously in future, that's an affirmation of a democratic principle too.  If you feel that any person you've helped to elect has let you down or acted inappropriately, of course you should reflect on that before you cast your next vote.

In the overall scheme of things, it wasn't all that long ago that even the SNP leader wasn't directly elected - there was election-by-delegate instead.  That wouldn't be considered acceptable now, and an unelected NEC really ought to be seen in exactly the same way as an anachronism.  And it can no longer even be said that it's an "anachronism that works".

Incidentally, none of this should be seen as a criticism of Angus Robertson, who would be an excellent MSP for Edinburgh Central, every bit as much as Joanna Cherry would.  (I regard Robertson and Cherry as two of the four most likely successors to Nicola Sturgeon, along with Humza Yousaf and Kate Forbes.)  But we must have a fair process, and an end to factional control of the SNP's internal structures.

74 comments:

  1. Humza - the man in charge of the Hate crime nonsense FM - well he did make a good speech in George sq in November. Any other reason?

    I am surprised you think that Robertson would want to to spend a night in Bute house.

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    1. I was in George Square for that speech and I thought "there's the next SNP leader", but then I saw him on Question Time a few days later and I wasn't quite so sure - I felt like he was misreading the audience by speaking over people. But he certainly seems to be the most charismatic of the younger SNP parliamentarians - I wouldn't have thought that should be a controversial thing to say.

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  2. Just wondering if Humza believes in religious liberty and freedom of speech. Would he attend a Scottish Orange Order Gala Night if invited.

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    1. Covidia doesn't believe in religious liberty or freedom of speech.

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    2. Are Muslims allowed to attended? Catholics aren't of course.

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    3. You clearly did not get the joke. A Gala Night with Muslims in attendance would be like a wake without bevvy.

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    4. ScottytheScotinScotlandAugust 3, 2020 at 4:35 PM

      The only joke around this site is you Govan W Champion.

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    5. What does the W stand for? ...let me guess!

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  3. Next leader of SNP?
    Dr. Philippa Whitford gets my vote.

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  4. As Stalin once said
    "Power lies not with those who have a vote, It is held by those who count them"

    The NEC vote proves that point.

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    1. Wings Listerine Party HickAugust 4, 2020 at 1:38 PM

      We should just call them the Zoomers.

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  5. The thing that brings everything into sharp focus for me is the contrived new rules that now prevent talented MPs returning to Holyrood. Any Party serious about Independence should be prioritising Holyrood as its base. Westminster is a cesspit and the SNP voices will always be drowned out by baying Unionists (Blue, Red and Yellow)

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    1. Pretty much my opinion. Scots are barred from being in UK government now too due to EVEL; something Boris openly says he supports.

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    2. I like seeing loads of pro-indy MPs disproportionately elected (relative to vote share) to Westminster under FPTP simply because it denies unionists seats under their own corrupt, anti-democratic system. Unionists dream of leaving Scotland for the bright lights of England where our Scots taxes are spent.

      I'm not an idiot though; I know Westminster is racist anti-Scottish and Scotland is not allowed a say in how a greater Englishbritainshire is run. When the PM says this openly, I believe him.

      I don't understand unionists though. Boris can tell them on live TV 'You jock scum should never be PM of the UK' and they just stare at their feet. Weak, pathetic people.

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    3. If you believe what the PM said then perhaps you can forgive me for thinking that you may indeed be an idiot.

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    4. So I should ignore what unionists say as they are liars?

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    5. ScottytheScotinScotlandAugust 3, 2020 at 4:26 PM

      For Britnats in Scotland no humiliation by their masters in England is too great. They just love getting hit by Johnson's Union stick - sad masochistic grovellers the lot of them. Britnat turds like GWC actually vote to have the worst pension in Europe. France £17k p.a. Germany £28kp.a. There is no humiliation they will not accept to call themselves British. Brainwashed idiots the lot of them.

      Skier your love of proportional elections marks you out as a Lib dem. You seem to be keener on proportional rep than independence.

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    6. So when will the Nat sis equal the German and Frog pensions. And where will they get the money.

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  6. Does anyone know when the SNP's accounts are due to be published?

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    1. Their appearance is imminent but we fear that they will not make good reading.

      In the meantime enjoy the marching season -

      https://wingsoverscotland.com/on-the-march/#comments

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    2. Polls make for incredible reading though for the SNP, so cash reserves are not that important.

      It's not the cash you have but the votes that count; ask the Tories.

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    3. Anyone know when the Tories' and red Tories' accounts are due to be published?

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    4. Re Covid19 and England's government refusing to allow(!) Scotland's government to borrow a few quid to mitigate just some of the economic losses incurred, the coffers of the ScotGov will be looking a bit limp, but they can't be in the red, because, no borrowing. SNP are mitigating EngGov disgraceful cuts (cuts to actual people are cuts to Scotland's local and wider economy obviously) to the poorest, the most vulnerable people in Scotland, running a country on crumbs handed back to Scotland, once the EngGov have removed Scotland's huge resources and revenues, must be costing a bit. There is a magic money tree in Scotland, but the Britnats took every branch and they are after the actual trunk and roots now, Scotland is royally screwed while shackled to the er, cesspit that is called a 'union'.

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    5. We're all looking forward to seeing the WoS accounts. I doubt that will be good reading for the mugs that donated to the fake Reverend living in England.

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    6. I didn't realise WoS released accounts.

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    7. ScottytheScotinScotlandAugust 3, 2020 at 4:29 PM

      Anonymous - the biggest mugs are Britnats like you.

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    8. How are the SNP going to fight an Independence campaign with no money?

      If they (or P Murrell, lavender husband extraordinaire) have spent the £900,000 which was raised and ring-fenced to fight said campaign, then it will have to be repaid. Or people will be in prison. And I'm not just talking about Mrs Angus.

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    9. Support for indy is at 54%.

      It's unionists that need to win votes.

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    10. We want Mundy - that's what we want!

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  7. Does anyone remember Bluebell butter, which had the flowers as their trade mark? Or am I imagining it all?

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    1. Oh yes. I loved it. It was my life.

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    2. I couldn't sleep last night for thinking about Bluebell butter. It made my life complete. I feel frantically sad today.

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    3. The bluebell is President Jamez' favourite flower.

      He understands your dreams.

      Viva President Jamez!

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  8. Well, at least some in the SNP are taking notice of our concerns voiced in social media.

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  9. Who does sit on the NEC? Is it a secret?

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    1. Why are they being sat on?

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  10. Why don't pro-union parties handle rape allegations in the same way as pro-indy parties?

    The current headlines are making the former look really bad.

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    1. The police should handle allegations of criminality. Politicians and supporters could be biased towards an individual.

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    2. Snp politicians stand down or are forced to until cleared.

      Seems unionists have less morals.

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    3. Guilty until proven innocent then. The new Nazi Scotland.

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  11. How about all your commentors stating their party membership numbers. We would then know if they are members of the SNP.

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    1. No names, no pack drill, no quarter.

      Just remember that Private Purves.

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  12. ScottytheScotinScotlandAugust 3, 2020 at 4:32 PM

    William where do you think you are - The Soviet Union or China. Get a grip man. The SNP need to get a grip as well in general.

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  13. Dinna ken if you've seen this, James?

    https://twitter.com/LJ_Skipper/status/1290277257089490944

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  14. Nat sis with separate identity have been unmasked

    https://order-order.com/2020/08/03/indyref2-founder-shocked-by-discovery-of-anti-english-racism-inside-movement/#comments

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  15. ScottytheScotinScotlandAugust 3, 2020 at 7:24 PM

    No humiliation is too great for the Britnat house jocks in the Tory Party. Told to get to Fcuk by Johnson Carlaw then eats humble pie and grovels to Ross telling him he is the bestest bestest ever House Jock commander for Scotland and admits he (Carcrash) is an old useless Britnat fart. Grovel grovel grovel is the British way especially if you want to get your big fat arse on the red benches in London. Oh that's right talking about big fat arses Truthless Davidson has beaten Carcrash to it. He will have to keep grovelling for a lot longer to get in the H. of Lords just like his pal Mundell - both left out in the cold.

    Britnats in Scotland are raised to hate Catholics and grovel to their masters in England and they think this just dandy. Brainwashed idiots that's what they are.

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    1. Pretty much all child molesters in the UK are British.

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    2. You should watch the end of Spotlight for a bit and see all the countries.

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    3. ScottytheScotinScotlandAugust 3, 2020 at 11:45 PM

      Mention brainwashed idiots and GWC turns up.

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    4. "You should watch the end of Spotlight for a bit and see all the countries."

      To be honest, I am increasingly concerned with the extraordinary level of interest you have in the sexual abuse of minors.

      Every second comment from you is about that.

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    5. That is the kind of answer one would expect from an Opus Dei member.

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  16. The cleansing is coming! The numbers are minor in comparison to the overall SNP membership. The bounce back and focus on Indy will bring people back to the core objective in a positive manner.
    The wokerate are presently spreading themselves across all branches using any local address - friend, relative, cult member etc. Look out for this last ditch effort to infiltrate your branch.

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  17. Meanwhile...
    CON-ECR: 41% (-1)
    LAB-S&D: 38%
    LDEM-RE: 6%
    SNP-G/EFA: 6% (+1)
    GREENS-G/EFA: 4%
    UKIP-ID: 2%
    PC-G/EFA: 1%

    Sturgeon must go, the Judean People's Front must act.

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    1. 6% of the U.K. Vote is an incredible figure for the SNP when the Scottish population is 8.4% or don't you understand stats?

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    2. I didn't think a wink emoji was necessary, but maybe it was.

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  18. As people don't seem to have a clue, Ian Hudghton is the President of the SNP, ie. the President of the SNP National Executive Committee, but he is not the Leader of either (apparently he was an MEP). As far as I know, the SNP is the only party in the UK with a President. The SNP is the only party with what is a very opaque NEC, and is the only party with an internal group that has such sweeping powers. Labour and the Lib Dems don't have anything even vaguely comparable, and the Tories have something that doesn't have powers over their rules.

    I find it very hard to see what the point of the SNP NEC is. The only things that come to mind aren't complementary, but they are certainly all-powerful.

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    1. So this is tailor-made role for President Jamez. He will purge decadence and make referendums run on time.

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    2. https://labour.org.uk/about/how-we-work/national-executive-committee/whos-on-the-nec/

      Who's on the Labour NEC?
      Find out more about our National Executive Committee and its members.

      Chair / President = Andi Fox

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Board_(Liberal_Democrats)

      The Federal Board is the governing body of the Liberal Democrats. It is chaired by the party president, currently Mark Pack

      https://www.conservatives.com/organisation/party-structure-and-organisation

      The Board is the ultimate decision-making body of the Conservative Party. It is responsible for all operational matters including fundraising, membership and candidates. It is made up of representatives from each section of the Party – the voluntary, political and professional Party.

      Ben Elliot: Co-Chairman of the Conservative Party and Chairman / President of the Board

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    3. Pamela Hall = President of the National Conservative Convention

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    4. Also for those incapable of performing basic internet searches:

      SNP National Executive Committee

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_National_Party#National_Executive_Committee

      The 32 members of the National Executive Committee elected at the National Conference, 15 October 2019:

      President: Ian Hudghton
      Leader: Nicola Sturgeon MSP (Glasgow Southside)
      Depute Leader: Keith Brown MSP (Clackmannanshire and Dunblane)
      National Treasurer: Colin Beattie MSP (Midlothian North and Musselburgh)
      National Secretary: Dr Angus MacLeod
      Business Convener: Kirsten Oswald MP (East Renfrewshire)
      Organisation Convener: Stacy Bradley
      Local Government Convener: Cllr Ellen Forson (Clackmannanshire South)
      Women's Convener: Cllr Rhiannon Spear (Greater Pollok)
      Equalities Convener: Fiona Robertson
      Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic Convener: Cllr Graham Campbell (Springburn/Robroyston)
      Disabled Members' Convener: Morag Fulton
      Member Support Convener: Douglas Daniel (elected from North East Scotland Regional Association)
      Policy Development Convener: Alyn Smith MP (Stirling)
      Tommy Sheppard MP (Edinburgh East) (elected by members of the SNP Scottish Parliament and House of Commons parliamentary groups)
      Alison Thewliss MP (Glasgow Central) (elected by members of the SNP Scottish Parliament and House of Commons parliamentary groups)
      Cllr Lynne Anderson (Stepps, Chryston and Muirhead) (elected by the Central Scotland Regional Association)
      Cllr Cameron McManus (Murdostoun) (elected by the Central Scotland Regional Association)
      Cllr Christina Cannon (Springburn/Robroyston) (elected by the Glasgow Regional Association)
      Alexander Kerr (elected by the Glasgow Regional Association)
      Munro Ross (elected by the Highlands and Islands Regional Association)
      vacant (elected by the Highlands and Islands Regional Association)
      Roz Currie (elected by the Lothian Regional Association)
      Andrew Diack (elected by the Lothian Regional Association)
      Rhuaraidh Fleming (elected by the Mid Scotland and Fife Regional Association)
      Mireille Pouget (elected by the Mid Scotland and Fife Regional Association)
      Douglas Daniel (elected by the North East Scotland Regional Association)
      Dorothy Jessiman (elected by the North East Scotland Regional Association)
      Cllr Heather Anderson (Tweeddale West) (elected by the South Scotland Regional Association)
      Cllr Rob Davidson (Abbey) (elected by the South Scotland Regional Association)
      Amy Callaghan MP (East Dunbartonshire) (elected by the West Scotland Regional Association)
      Robert Innes (elected by the West Scotland Regional Association)

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    5. Do any of that obscure lot know how to make the Sunday pot of soup.

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    6. Random Totty From Freedom SquareAugust 4, 2020 at 11:07 AM

      James does a delicious lentil and minestrone.

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    7. Does he have an IKEA can opener.

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  19. "Denise Findlay
    @GraceBrodie

    I have to say the Wings story of the NEC meeting is very similiar to my experience of the conduct committee. It’s subject to an appeal so I can’t say much but the story is not a surprise to me..."

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    1. Is this the Wings that says the Scots are a cowardly people so he prefers to live amongst the brave English?

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  20. Big Eater From PerthAugust 4, 2020 at 1:25 PM

    These internal issues are eating away at me. I demand that they be resolved!

    And let us be clear. Unless we find an unrecognised Pericles within our ranks the Union is not in jeopardy at all.

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  21. So, along with the mass deportation of black people and open anti-Scottish racist hatred, the UK has also been operating a 'white Britain' visa system.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-53650758

    Home Office drops 'racist' algorithm from visa decisions

    "We're delighted the Home Office has seen sense and scrapped the streaming tool. Racist feedback loops meant that what should have been a fair migration process was, in practice, just speedy boarding for white people," said Cori Crider, founder of Foxglove.

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    1. The elected Gov is doing the bidding of the people. Why do so many people want to come to the UK mainly England if we are such a crap Union. There is no anti Scottish racism from the English. They welcome us unlike you Nazis who stand on the border with your silly noddy suits on urging the English to go home.

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    2. Welcoming?

      https://evolvepolitics.com/boris-johnson-published-poem-caling-for-extermination-of-verminous-scottish-race/

      BORIS JOHNSON PUBLISHED POEM CALING FOR “EXTERMINATION” OF ‘VERMINOUS SCOTTISH RACE’

      https://www.businessinsider.fr/us/boris-johnson-ban-scottish-people-from-being-prime-minister-2019-6

      Boris Johnson said Scottish people should not be allowed to be prime minister

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    3. Most Scots recognise a wind up unlike you Nat si fanatics.

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  22. There's not enough Big Eater on the NEC.

    *Draft Big Eater For President*

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  23. I stopped believing Andrew Wilson. When he was interviewed during lock down with a collection of cushions , which included a Union Jack one. I find it hard to believe anyone who is a Scottish Nationalist would have such a thing in their house, let alone be seen with it!

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    1. I used to believe him until he used a word with the letter G in it, a letter which also occurs in "United Kingdom". He'd probably tell you it was just a coincidence.

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