Wednesday, July 27, 2016

Three simple reasons why the Labour plotters will be more responsible than Corbyn for a heavy general election defeat

1) Even in southern England, there is one factor that is a far bigger voter-repellent than a radical left party leader - and that's disunity.  According to YouGov, Labour went from enjoying a 3% lead in late April to being 11% behind by mid-July.  Corbyn was leader in both the 'before' and 'after' photos, so self-evidently he's unlikely to be responsible for the slump.  The only things that have changed since April are that Theresa May is enjoying a honeymoon period, and the right-wing of the Labour party have needlessly started a civil war.

2) Some of the plotters claim that they have no problem with Corbyn's policies, but only with the man himself.  If that's genuinely the case, an obvious deal was available that probably would have been acceptable to all sides - a change in the leadership nomination rules to allow Corbyn to step down (perhaps in a year or two) safe in the knowledge that a more charismatic alternative left candidate like John McDonnell or Clive Lewis would have no difficulty getting on the ballot paper, and would probably become leader.  The fact that none of the plotters seem to have even seriously contemplated that possibility tells you all you need to know - this isn't about electability, it's a destructive ideological crusade against the radical left.

3) For all the mythology surrounding the 1983 election, the Labour right actually have a much longer and more ignominious track record of losing elections than the radical left.  It was the right, not the left, that lost the 2010 and 2015 elections.  The right were also responsible for the landmark defeats in 1979 and 1992, and arguably also in 1987 (Neil Kinnock was midway on his journey from the soft left to the right by then, although admittedly he was still nominally in favour of unilateral nuclear disarmament).  And the right can't entirely escape responsibility for the 1983 calamity either - it seems undeniable that the Tory majority would have been much more modest had the SDP split not taken place.

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It takes a strong Westminster Bubble angle before Mike "can't be arsed" Smithson will pay the slightest attention to a Scottish poll, and sure enough he's beside himself with excitement about a new full-scale Scottish poll from YouGov showing that Jeremy Corbyn has worse personal ratings among people who voted Labour in 2015 than among the electorate at large.  But for my money, this poll tells us far more about the character of Labour's rump support in Scotland than it does about Jeremy Corbyn's prospects.  Corbyn actually has comparatively good ratings among people who voted SNP in 2015, which is perfectly logical, because that group contains many traditional Labour voters who had switched to the SNP for the first time ever.  It's clear that Corbyn's leadership hasn't been sufficient to bring them back into the fold, but the idea that they're more likely to be won over by a New Labour-type leader is fanciful in the extreme.

It's also telling that Ruth Davidson has much, much better personal ratings among 2015 Labour voters than Nicola Sturgeon does, in spite of Sturgeon's impeccable social democratic credentials, and the fact that she's more popular than Davidson among the general population.  That makes no sense at all unless the legacy of "Jackanory" Jim Murphy's leadership has been to transform Labour's support into a narrowly-based, centre-right, hard-line unionist sect.  (I hesitate to use the word 'cult', but...)

Theresa May's showing in this poll is being portrayed as reasonably good, but you have to be very cautious about polls conducted during a political honeymoon.  For example, an early Scottish poll after John Major replaced Margaret Thatcher showed Tory support back above 30% for the first time in many years, leading Bernard Ingham to obnoxiously claim that everything was back to normal and that the only reason for the Scottish Tories' travails had been the sexism of voters north of the border (including female voters, presumably).

You don't have to look far to spot the warning signs for May - even at the height of her honeymoon, more Scottish voters say she is dislikeable than say she is likeable.  Perhaps the most significant finding is that 54% of respondents say she will either be a worse Prime Minister than Cameron, or no better.  When you bear in mind how awful Cameron's personal ratings in Scotland have been, that may be a clue as to where she is headed in the not-too-distant future.

108 comments:

  1. Why doesn't Glasgow Working Class nominate it's self for the post or is even it not left enough for it's self?

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    1. His crayonist ravings would embarrass the Dreary Heil. Way too far to the right to be a Labour man.

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    2. Stormfront Lite is full of racistsJuly 27, 2016 at 7:53 PM

      The troll is neither Labour nor scottish.

      The troll is SO shit at pretending to be either it's laugh out loud funny.

      :o)

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    3. Paul, are you him? It's a bit suspicious how you never, ever post about anything else.

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    4. I definitely am not it, it just pisses me off so much with it's lunatic rantings. Are you it?

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    5. Fred Dibnah Speakin Fae Ra GraveJuly 29, 2016 at 12:23 AM

      I like to play with in my own shite as I fantasise about Nigel Farage ee by gum lad.

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    6. Paul, you really should consider a break from the site if some daft troll is getting to you so much.

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  2. I think you are right about Labour in Scotland.
    Our MP only got over the line in 2015 by the skin of his teeth through gathering Tory unionist voters who backed Labour for that reason alone and he knows it.
    That is all they have left to offer Scottish voters....hard core British Unionism and if that means supping with the Tories,then so be it.

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    1. True. They sold all their principles to the Tories because #SNPbad.

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    2. Incompetent Blairites of Mass Destruction #ChickenCoupJuly 27, 2016 at 11:08 PM

      The Blairites never learned the obvious lessons from calamity Clegg and his ostrich faction and are in fact repeating some of the most amusing ones.

      The first being that triangulating on the tories and moving as close as possible to them is a actually a surefire way to destroy your own party since you can never hope to out-tory the tories. (for SLAB brainless unionism before everything else is just as destructive to them)

      The second being that, no matter how bad you think things are, they can and will get worse. Particularly if you keep doing the dumb same shit over and over again. Like SLAB's Blairite 'leaders' and minions who somehow still think shrieking "SNPBAD!" will turn things around for them. (and like all those in the westminster bubble who mistakenly thought Clegg and his party were bound to do better at the GE than the polling showed when in fact they did worse. As some of us warned)

      It is however a mistake to label some of the inept Blairite's actions as an ideological crusade when it's far more clear cut than that.

      It's simple careerism.

      The most vocal and odious of the Blairites have watched and are watching their power drain away with every passing day.

      That's only going to continue since Owen Smith is as every bit as ludicrous as his history and past pronouncements show him to be.

      No amount of pitiful Blairite/BBC/media spin will ever make him a popular 'man of the people' and you would have to be blind not to realise it.

      It's that complete lack of career prospects that is driving the most batshit crazy of the Blairites into hysterical ranting about "trots" and "entryists" as they rip their own party apart in the name of "electability" without a scintilla of self-awareness or irony.

      Ask SLAB how many of their former MPs are now enjoying the 'fruits' of their subservient complacent arselicking? A scant handful made it to the 'promised land' of Lordships, baubles and highly paid lobbyist/media careers after they destroyed their own party.

      So it will be for those sheeplike Labour MPs throwing their lot in with the Blairite fools desperate to keep some small grip of power as it drains away from them.

      Those who side with Owen will be lucky if a mere handful emerge from the wreckage with a nice Lordship and a guaranteed future lucrative job. The rest are done. Finished. A life outside politics/retirement awaits.

      They will be remembered, if they are remember at all, as the kind of unscrupulous unprincipled liars who willingly threw their party into complete and utter chaos for their own personal greed and ambition.

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    3. Incompetent Blairites of Mass Destruction #ChickenCoupJuly 27, 2016 at 11:14 PM

      It is also a mistake to ascribe the right-wing press and BBC/ITV/Sky obvious hostility to Corbyn and out of touch fawning regard of the Blairites as something done only to please or mollify the Blairites.

      In fact, the Blarites are being taken for a ride every bit as much as the lib dems were under Clegg. The Blairites are also plenty stupid enough not to realise it.

      The primary reason the westminster bubble media and westmisnter establishment want Corbyn out of the way and some witless Blairite in is because May and the Cameroons/remianiners NEED compliant Blairites to rubber stamp any old bollocks under the fatuous guise of the 'National Interest'.

      If that means yet more austerity on the poorest (and let's not kid ourselves, IT WILL) Or if it means ridiculous 'back of the envelope' authoritarianism', wars, welfare dismantling, NHS reforms/privatisation. Or, most likely, if it means pushing for the most Brexit light options - then that WILL require a compliant and willing Blairite leadership and followers keen to suck up to the tories, not Corbyn.

      The tories majority is tiny, a snap election was ruled out and the hardline Brexiteer pushback has already begun.

      The absurd and corrupt corporate stooge Liam Fox is already issuing hardline Brexiteer demands to May like a man who has half and eye on yet another future tory leadership contest.

      This will only intensify over the coming months.

      It would also explode into a full blown remainer/Brexiteer split and war if May was dumb enough to call a snap election. That election would be necessity HAVE to be fought on what Brexit actually means.

      No way to avoid that tricky little problem for the westminster bubble twits but, then again, it's obviously going to happen anyway.

      It's all just a question of when.

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    4. British Bullshit CorporationJuly 27, 2016 at 11:17 PM

      Paul Kavanagh ‏@weegingerdug 4 hours ago

      Bias isn't a conspiracy. It's not a group of men in suits meeting in secret. It's a state of mind, a prejudice, a desire to please a boss.

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    5. No I'm not buying this with respect to the BBC.

      Bias is, "a prejudice", but "a desire to please the boss", is the handmaiden of collision, and collusion IS conspiracy. This excuse that journos are just doing what they are told, that they were only following orders doesn't wash. Whatever the imperatives driving their decision, they remain personally responsible for their part in any coordinated effort of jiggery pokery. They are prosecuting an agenda, and whether it be their own or that of their boss, they are players and answerable for their actions.

      Consider this case study in BBC journalistic and corporate bullshit we had cause to investigate and carefully during the run-up to indyref1.

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    6. Consider this case study in BBC journalistic and corporate bullshit we had cause to investigate and carefully document during the run-up to indyref1.

      http://www.weourselves.com/bbc-scotlands-project-fear-begins/

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  3. More than once I've wondered if McTernan, Murphy, Owen Smith, even Angela Eagle, have been quietly taking brown envelopes full of cash from the Tory party.

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    1. Glasgow Working Class 2July 27, 2016 at 7:07 PM

      Inuendo indeed. No bottle to actually accuse ya piece off shit.

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    2. The poster above is a far-right racist troll from EnglandJuly 27, 2016 at 7:44 PM

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    3. The troll also advocates arming Leave campaigners to "defend democracy", claims Jo Cox's husband is a fascist, uses racial and ethnic slurs while claiming they're not insults, praises Theresa May and displays a strange. perverted and poisonous obsession with the First Minister and her predecessor.

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  4. Glasgow Working Class 2July 27, 2016 at 7:04 PM

    Strange how the Joke Nat sis who claim to hate the Tories continue with Tory policies. The joke Nat sis are at one with the Tories on taxation, rail privatisation, bus privatisation, freezing council tax and refusing to re - nationalise the energy companies. And how the Nat sis grovelled to the Grangemouth owners. The Tories are honest the Nat sis lying scumbags.

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    1. Feeding a troll I know...

      You do realise that most of the readers of this post despise you?

      Yet they are never, ever going to punish you in the they way you think you should be punished.

      So please, zip up your gimp suit, wrap a green and white scarf around your neck and find yourself an Orange Lodge to sit outside whilst singing Kevin Barry.

      You will find your Nirvana there.

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    2. The troll also advocates arming Leave campaigners to "defend democracy", claimed Jo Cox's husband was a fascist,uses racial and ethnic slurs while claiming they're not insults, praises Theresa May and displays a strange. perverted and poisonous obsession with the First Minister and her predecessor.

      The troll also gets very, very, very upset when anyone criticises the tories because he the troll is quite obviously a spineless little shitklicking tory himself.

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    3. Glasgow Working Class 2July 27, 2016 at 8:36 PM

      Nat sis are the New Scottish Tories led by the middle and upper class lawyer types. They have done a UKIP conning the plebs.

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    4. The poster above is a far-right racist troll from EnglandJuly 27, 2016 at 8:48 PM

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  5. I can't say I feel any sympathy for Labour they have reaped what they have sown. There is blatant hypocrisy in both the right and left of the party.

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  6. Glasgow Working Class 2July 27, 2016 at 8:05 PM

    So whit hard done tae stories is knickerless moaning about today? Librarian how do you know the two posters on here dispise me!

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    1. The poster above is a far-right racist troll from EnglandJuly 27, 2016 at 8:47 PM

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  7. There is something badly wrong with the age weightings in that YouGov poll far too many 65+ might explain Ruth's high ratings

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    1. Glasgow Working Class 2July 27, 2016 at 8:41 PM

      denise, the young female nat sis need tae shag more and produce young nat sis to out vote uz old muppets. However the young nat sis when older may get some common sense.

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    2. The poster above is a far-right racist troll from EnglandJuly 27, 2016 at 8:48 PM

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    3. Glasgow Working Class 2July 27, 2016 at 11:17 PM

      The above poster has a problem when playing with his thingy. Left or right each hand falls asleep. Boringbasketinnatt.

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    4. The poster above is a far-right racist troll from EnglandJuly 27, 2016 at 11:23 PM

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    5. The troll also advocates arming Leave campaigners to "defend democracy", claimed Jo Cox's husband was a fascist, uses racial and ethnic slurs while claiming they're not insults, praises Theresa May and the tories and displays a strange. perverted and poisonous obsession with the First Minister and her predecessor.

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    6. Glasgow Working Class 2July 28, 2016 at 12:36 AM

      I love the first meensters shoes, reminds me of Imelda Marcos. Very tarty looking. And this thing claims to represent Scotland, help ma boab.

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    7. Half the Internet is made up of places to indulge weird fetishes. Take your shoe fixation there and let the adults talk here.

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  8. Last time I'm visiting this site. Sick of the idiot called GWC2.Made up my mind many years ago to vote for Indy and will continue doing so until it happens. Just cant be arsed reading this fools garbage any more. James, get rid of him. He contributes nothing.

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  9. Don't let the Troll spoil the site for you.
    I too was about to tell the author l was sick of him and could he not fling him off,but someone else beat me to it.
    Then it was explained that he couldn't because of the kind of site this is.
    So rather than me leave or the author make changes which would I think encourage it I just (because I never feed it )
    Scroll the Troll.
    It's comments are easily identifiable and it's only mildly irritating to find you are reading a response to it.
    Hope that helps.

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    1. Glasgow Working Class 2July 28, 2016 at 11:27 AM

      You anonomous people definately need a Named Person for help.

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    2. The poster above is a far-right racist troll from EnglandJuly 28, 2016 at 11:41 AM

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    John Swinney ‏@JohnSwinney 2 hours ago

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    Always V. funny to watch dimwits like the Daily Mail, the gutter press and their assorted nutbag Pouter and Yoon arselickers shriek hysterically over something they clearly didn't understand.

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    1. The Little Englanders are doing all they can to ensure there is no safety net for anyone in these islands....red tape,nanny state,benefit scroungers,canny afford it,balance the books etc etc.
      We Scots have different ideas.

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    2. Glasgow Working Class 2July 28, 2016 at 1:51 PM

      Is that the idea not to tax the better off to pay for services. So where then are you getting the money?

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    3. The poster above is a far-right racist troll from EnglandJuly 28, 2016 at 1:56 PM

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  13. "That makes no sense at all unless the legacy of "Jackanory" "Jim Murphy's leadership has been to transform Labour's support into a narrowly-based, centre-right, hard-line unionist sect. (I hesitate to use the word 'cult', but...)"

    Go on James use the word Cult because that is what they are. May herself is just an adherent of the Thatcher Cult. The Tories are drooling over the second coming as they see it. In the Labour Party the equivalent is the Blair Cult.

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    1. Bumblefuck tories for unityJuly 28, 2016 at 5:56 PM

      The SLAB leadership and their hangers on are an irrelevance at this point. Screaming SNPbad!! has brought them to where they are today. When you combine that that with their absurd 'unionism no matter what the cost' stance then it's pretty easy to predict what will happen next year at the locals if they keep it up. The barking mad Yoons who lap that up will go to the tories and not the red tory imitation. It's why SLAB are 3rd and why they still have a long, looong way to fall under the same complacent idiots who are as out of touch with the scottish public as the tories are.

      Speaking of which, if May is Thatcher then it's Thatcher when the EU splits were beginning to rip everything apart.

      It's truly jawdropping watching the most clueless of the tory twits pretend everything is fine and we'll just have a nice orderly transition to Brexit and it's on with the show.

      Not in a million years. LOL

      The tory party is still irrevocably split but the split has moved on to the shape of Brexit and delaying it.

      The hardline Brexiteers are possibly the most amusing as they somehow don't seem to have grasped that if they wanted to control Brexit then they should have had one of their own WIN the tory leadership election and not a remainer like May.

      As it stands the comedy trio of Davis, Boris and Fox are entirely expendable and indeed look suspiciously like they were put precisely where they are to BE expendable.

      They can only advise and if they come back to May with the kind of half-baked negotiation 'thinking' they have displayed so far then that's only going to end one way and it will be with them swallowing the brunt of the blame as other solutions will be quickly turned to.

      The Cameroons and remainers are simply waiting for them to fuck up, as they will, and then with a heavy sigh put forward their plans for the lightest of Brexit lights. Pausing only to bemoan that if only the 3 stooges could have come up with something workable then they wouldn't have had to do this. etc.

      Tory party MPs who backed remain are still the majority and they have no intention of handing 'the bastards' (as John Major would put it) everything on a plate after the Brexit catastrofuckup. Quite the reverse. They intend to punish them and make them eat their Brexit rhetoric as they take back control from the 'swivel-eyed loons'.

      Soon enough the hysteria over Corbyn will come to an end and then even the westminster bubble media won't be able to ignore the Brexit factionalism and splits in the tory party.

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    2. Glasgow Working Class 2July 28, 2016 at 8:18 PM

      The joke Nat si party are definately a cult. Any desenters remain silent. Corbyn and McDonnell are trying to forge a very extreme cult.

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    3. The poster above is a far-right racist troll from EnglandJuly 28, 2016 at 9:41 PM

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    4. Glasgow Working Class 2July 28, 2016 at 10:24 PM

      The above poster is an extreme right wing fash Nat si who hates the English.

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    6. The troll also advocates arming Leave campaigners to "defend democracy", claimed Jo Cox's husband was a fascist, uses racial and ethnic slurs while claiming they're not insults, praises Theresa May and the tories and displays a strange, perverted and poisonous obsession with the First Minister and her predecessor.

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    7. Glasgow Working Class 2July 28, 2016 at 11:02 PM

      The above obsessive poster is a liar and should publicly name itself so I can call it a liar! Go for it shithead Nat si.

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    8. The poster above is a far-right racist troll from EnglandJuly 28, 2016 at 11:05 PM

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    9. The troll also advocates arming Leave campaigners to "defend democracy", claimed Jo Cox's husband was a fascist, uses racial and ethnic slurs while claiming they're not insults, praises Theresa May and the tories and displays a strange, perverted and poisonous obsession with the First Minister and her predecessor.

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  14. How much does it cost to destroy a party for your tory chums?July 28, 2016 at 10:55 PM

    Mirror Politics Verified account ‏@MirrorPolitics

    Nick Clegg claimed £100k in extra expenses from fund usually reserved for ex-PMs

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  15. Boris Gump and the BrexitearsJuly 28, 2016 at 11:02 PM

    jeff Weber ‏@JeffWeber11 Jul 27


    Liam Fox says no Brexit until 2019. Are those who voted for it going to be ok with that?


    ROFL!!

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    1. Boris Gump and the BrexitearsJuly 28, 2016 at 11:04 PM

      Ian Dunt ‏@IanDunt Jul 27

      Very quietly, Liam Fox admits that everything he's said since he entered government is nonsense.

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    2. Glasgow Working Class 2July 28, 2016 at 11:10 PM

      Aye great make it Hogmanay 2018 and we can have a double celebration. The Europeans may have woken up by then and kicked their gravy train spongers into touch that is if they are not still occupied with religious fascists slaughtering them.

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    3. The poster above is a far-right racist troll from EnglandJuly 28, 2016 at 11:21 PM

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    5. Glasgow Working Class 2July 28, 2016 at 11:33 PM

      Liar and Nat si English hater.

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    6. The poster above is a far-right racist troll from EnglandJuly 28, 2016 at 11:35 PM

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    7. The troll also advocates arming Leave campaigners to "defend democracy", claimed Jo Cox's husband was a fascist, uses racial and ethnic slurs while claiming they're not insults, praises Theresa May and the tories and displays a strange, perverted and poisonous obsession with the First Minister and her predecessor.

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    8. Fred Dibnah Speakin Fae Ra GraveJuly 29, 2016 at 12:20 AM

      Nigel Farage makes my tiny tadger hard ee by gum lad.

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  16. Glasgow Working Class 2July 28, 2016 at 11:38 PM

    I'm really a jock like all you other jocks ye ken and no a lying twat of a troll.

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  17. How much does it cost to destroy a party for your tory chums?July 28, 2016 at 11:41 PM

    Sun Politics

    Nick Clegg claimed over £125,000 in extra expenses from fund usually reserved for ex-PMs

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  18. "That makes no sense at all unless the legacy of "Jackanory" "Jim Murphy's leadership has been to transform Labour's support into a narrowly-based, centre-right, hard-line unionist sect. (I hesitate to use the word 'cult', but...)"

    Go on James use the word Cult because that is what they are. May herself is just an adherent of the Thatcher Cult. The Tories are drooling over the second coming as they see it. In the Labour Party the equivalent is the Blair Cult.

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    1. Bumblefuck tories for unityJuly 28, 2016 at 11:42 PM

      The SLAB leadership and their hangers on are an irrelevance at this point. Screaming SNPbad!! has brought them to where they are today. When you combine that that with their absurd 'unionism no matter what the cost' stance then it's pretty easy to predict what will happen next year at the locals if they keep it up. The barking mad Yoons who lap that up will go to the tories and not the red tory imitation. It's why SLAB are 3rd and why they still have a long, looong way to fall under the same complacent idiots who are as out of touch with the scottish public as the tories are.

      Speaking of which, if May is Thatcher then it's Thatcher when the EU splits were beginning to rip everything apart.

      It's truly jawdropping watching the most clueless of the tory twits pretend everything is fine and we'll just have a nice orderly transition to Brexit and it's on with the show.

      Not in a million years. LOL

      The tory party is still irrevocably split but the split has moved on to the shape of Brexit and delaying it.

      The hardline Brexiteers are possibly the most amusing as they somehow don't seem to have grasped that if they wanted to control Brexit then they should have had one of their own WIN the tory leadership election and not a remainer like May.

      As it stands the comedy trio of Davis, Boris and Fox are entirely expendable and indeed look suspiciously like they were put precisely where they are to BE expendable.

      They can only advise and if they come back to May with the kind of half-baked negotiation 'thinking' they have displayed so far then that's only going to end one way and it will be with them swallowing the brunt of the blame as other solutions will be quickly turned to.

      The Cameroons and remainers are simply waiting for them to fuck up, as they will, and then with a heavy sigh put forward their plans for the lightest of Brexit lights. Pausing only to bemoan that if only the 3 stooges could have come up with something workable then they wouldn't have had to do this. etc.

      Tory party MPs who backed remain are still the majority and they have no intention of handing 'the bastards' (as John Major would put it) everything on a plate after the Brexit catastrofuckup. Quite the reverse. They intend to punish them and make them eat their Brexit rhetoric as they take back control from the 'swivel-eyed loons'.

      Soon enough the hysteria over Corbyn will come to an end and then even the westminster bubble media won't be able to ignore the Brexit factionalism and splits in the tory party.

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    2. Fred Dibnah Speakin Fae Ra GraveJuly 29, 2016 at 12:02 AM

      You talk a load ee shite by gum lad.

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    3. You're a twat with the I.Q. of a peanut 'Fred'.

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    4. Glasgow Working Class 2July 29, 2016 at 5:16 PM

      You probably feed your twat with nuts.

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    5. The poster above is a far-right racist troll from EnglandJuly 29, 2016 at 5:37 PM

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  19. Boris Gump and the BrexitearsJuly 28, 2016 at 11:44 PM

    jeff Weber ‏@JeffWeber11 Jul 27


    Liam Fox says no Brexit until 2019. Are those who voted for it going to be ok with that?



    LMFAO!!!

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    1. Boris Gump and the BrexitearsJuly 28, 2016 at 11:44 PM

      Ian Dunt ‏@IanDunt Jul 27

      Very quietly, Liam Fox admits that everything he's said since he entered government is nonsense.

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    2. Glasgow Working Class 2July 29, 2016 at 5:20 PM

      Fox is like Kim Jung Eck. Never trust men with sweaty upper lips.

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  20. Glasgow Working Class 2July 29, 2016 at 7:16 PM

    I advocate a knighthood and a permanent statue in parliament square for Nigel Farage who exposed the corrupt EU gravy train that was milking the working classes.

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    2. Glasgow Working Class 2July 29, 2016 at 9:56 PM

      I advocate that there should be an annual public holiday to be held in perpetuity to honour Nigal Farage. And that all major cities in the UK should give him the keys and Freedom of the City.

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    3. Glasgow Working Class 2July 29, 2016 at 10:43 PM

      There should also be an annual troll award that I award myself each year along with a prize of £50,000.

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    4. Glasgow Working Class 2July 29, 2016 at 11:46 PM

      That is less than an MSP or MEP gets less expenses fur dain f all.

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    5. The poster above is a far-right racist troll from EnglandJuly 30, 2016 at 12:38 AM

      The troll also advocates arming Leave campaigners to "defend democracy", claimed Jo Cox's husband was a fascist, uses racial and ethnic slurs while claiming they're not insults, praises Theresa May and the tories and displays a strange, perverted and poisonous obsession with the First Minister and her predecessor.

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  21. New poll out tonight, mein dickie old chums!

    Scottish independence

    NO: 53%
    YES: 47%

    (YouGov)

    Ha. Ha. Haha!!

    It's bloody tragic :0)))

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    1. "Rail travel at high speed is not possible because passengers, unable to breathe, would die of asphyxia."

      - Aldo

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    2. I predicted you lot would get gubbed in 2014, that earns me some prediction points surely?

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    3. “The Americans have need of the telephone, but we do not. We have plenty of messenger boys.”

      - Aldo

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    4. "I think all UK constituent nations will vote to remain, but England perhaps to a lesser extent than the others.

      The undecideds and the bottlers will put it in the back of the net for 'remain'. I'm sure Cameron also has a few tricks up his sleeve to deploy in the dying days of the campaign."

      Aldo

      ROFL :o)

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    5. I love this thread.

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    6. Trend is going the right way, but pretty strange polling data needing heavy weightings?
      A quarter of sample from outside Scotland?

      Birthplace:
      Scotland: 748
      Rest of the UK: 200
      Outside UK: 58

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    7. Did you trawl through old threads looking for that quote or did you have it saved - or memorised, even? I am flattered that you devote so much time to me.

      How about this for a duff prediction - brexit will boost support for Scottish independence. You people were wetting yourselves at the prospect. However, going by the poll results you have been at pains to avoid discussing, that hasn't happened.

      We'll call it a draw. Goodnight, mein dickie old chums!

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    8. Back of the Net for Cameron LOLJuly 30, 2016 at 1:43 AM

      "Trend is going the right way"

      The shit for brains tory self-evidently didn't understand that part, as usual. :o)

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    9. Hello anon, the trend isn't really going the right way. This poll is no different to many eve of referendum polls. It indicates zero progress in two years, despite brexit. Bad news for SNP. They were hoping for a game changer. It didn't come.

      As for the make up of the poll, a sizeable proportion of those living in Scotland were born outside of it. Not sure the exact percentage, but it's a significant number of people.

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    10. Oh look, it's Aspergers Boy! Hello Mick.

      Right, it's defo goodnight now. Don't want to take liberties!

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    11. Back of the Net for Cameron LOLJuly 30, 2016 at 2:09 AM

      It's quite obviously not a fucking quarter, you complete imbecile.

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    12. Bumblefuck tories for unityJuly 30, 2016 at 2:12 AM

      You still sneering at immigrants and the disabled you racist tory twat?

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    13. "The undecideds and the bottlers will put it in the back of the net for 'remain'. I'm sure Cameron also has a few tricks up his sleeve to deploy in the dying days of the campaign."

      Aldo

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  22. Bumblefuck tories for unityJuly 30, 2016 at 1:41 AM

    David SchneiderVerified account  ‏@davidschneider

    Oxymoron chart gets new no. 1:
    3. One nation government
    2. Compassionate Conservatism
    1. Liam Fox charm offensive

    "The US has rebuffed attempts by Liam Fox to open negotiations on a free trade deal, saying that meaningful talks before a Brexit were impossible."




    It's all going splendidly for the witless tory incompetents, isn't it?

    No wonder the US State Department laughed when Boris of the 3 stooges was announced as Foreign Secreteary.

    A joke of a government that will collapse into petulant Brexit factionalism and backstabbing as it becomes ever more clear they don't have the slightest fucking idea what to do or how they would do it even if they did.

    The inept directionless void of May's 'administration' of third raters is making the Cameroon's infamous short-termism look like a 1000 year plan.

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  23. Glasgow Working Class 2July 30, 2016 at 10:47 AM

    Where has knickerless been lately is she taking the Glesga Ferr aff. I miss her strutting onto the podium like the Queen of Sheba with her new shoes on and giving her weekly hard done tae stories.

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    1. The poster above is a far-right racist troll from EnglandJuly 30, 2016 at 11:06 AM

      The troll also advocates arming Leave campaigners to "defend democracy", claimed Jo Cox's husband was a fascist, uses racial and ethnic slurs while claiming they're not insults, praises Theresa May and the tories and displays a strange, perverted and poisonous obsession with the First Minister and her predecessor.

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  24. Bumblefuck tories for unityJuly 30, 2016 at 11:07 AM

    David SchneiderVerified account  ‏@davidschneider

    Oxymoron chart gets new no. 1:
    3. One nation government
    2. Compassionate Conservatism
    1. Liam Fox charm offensive

    "The US has rebuffed attempts by Liam Fox to open negotiations on a free trade deal, saying that meaningful talks before a Brexit were impossible."



    It's all going splendidly for the witless tory incompetents, isn't it?

    No wonder the US State Department laughed when Boris of the 3 stooges was announced as Foreign Secreteary.

    A joke of a government that will collapse into petulant Brexit factionalism and backstabbing as it becomes ever more clear they don't have the slightest fucking idea what to do or how they would do it even if they did.

    The inept directionless void of May's 'administration' of third raters is making the Cameroon's infamous short-termism look like a 1000 year plan.

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    1. Glasgow Working Class 2July 30, 2016 at 11:22 AM

      The USA need HMS Battleship Britain. Strange how you Nat sis want the democratic wishes of the people to fail. Then you Nat si fuckwitts can go crawling to the EU. Makes yer laugh.

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    2. The poster above is a far-right racist troll from EnglandJuly 30, 2016 at 3:07 PM

      The troll also advocates arming Leave campaigners to "defend democracy", claimed Jo Cox's husband was a fascist, uses racial and ethnic slurs while claiming they're not insults, praises Theresa May and the tories and displays a strange, perverted and poisonous obsession with the First Minister and her predecessor.

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    3. Glasgow Working Class 2July 31, 2016 at 9:19 PM

      Liar.

      Delete
  25. Bumblefuck tories for unityJuly 30, 2016 at 3:08 PM

    David SchneiderVerified account  ‏@davidschneider

    Oxymoron chart gets new no. 1:
    3. One nation government
    2. Compassionate Conservatism
    1. Liam Fox charm offensive

    "The US has rebuffed attempts by Liam Fox to open negotiations on a free trade deal, saying that meaningful talks before a Brexit were impossible."



    It's all going splendidly for the witless tory incompetents, isn't it?

    No wonder the US State Department laughed when Boris of the 3 stooges was announced as Foreign Secreteary.

    A joke of a government that will collapse into petulant Brexit factionalism and backstabbing as it becomes ever more clear they don't have the slightest fucking idea what to do or how they would do it even if they did.

    The inept directionless void of May's 'administration' of third raters is making the Cameroon's infamous short-termism look like a 1000 year plan.

    ReplyDelete