Friday, June 3, 2016

Tonight, Matthew, Michael Gove is going to be Alex Salmond

For their EU question-and-answer session with Michael Gove, Sky somehow found a token Jock to bus down who was terribly worried about a Leave vote leading to a second "divisive" independence referendum.  What a tedious thing to do.  Regardless of which poll you believe, it's undoubtedly the case that a huge proportion of the Scottish electorate would be only too delighted to have a relatively early second referendum, so why not get one of those people to mess with Govey's head by asking which way we should vote on June 23rd to bring the next indyref closer?

The question asked may have been much duller than that, but Gove's answer was still fascinating.  He said it wasn't the case that a vote to leave one union would cause Scotland to leave another union.  But it was quite hard to understand WHY he thought it wouldn't have that effect, given that his arguments for Britain leaving the European Union were in some cases literally identical to the arguments for Scotland becoming an independent country - and I really do mean that Gove's words were directly lifted from our own Yes campaign. 

"They say we're too small."  Oooh, that sounds a bit like...?  "Too poor."  Just coincidence, surely?  "Too stupid."  It's the full house, folks!  And he also shamelessly used Alex Salmond's familiar line about "losing a surly lodger and gaining a good neighbour".

The charitable interpretation is that Gove was privately moved and inspired by Scotland's struggle for self-determination and self-government, and has been biding his time until he could apply the same arguments in respect of the country he owes allegiance to (Greater England).  A more cynical interpretation is that he's just stealing words that he reckoned had proved highly persuasive in another campaign.  Either way, we're entitled to take enormous heart from that.  Imitation remains the sincerest form of flattery.

24 comments:

  1. Could it be that he's just a tosser who thinks nobody will remember?

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  2. Not to forget this peach:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referendum-michael-goves-full-statement-on-why-he-is-backing-brexit-a6886221.html#

    Replace EU with Uk and UK with Scotland...

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  3. Oh he is an ambitious one, I guess even tossers can be ambitious. His ambition is clearly to be PM of the Greater Ingerland.

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    1. Glasgow Working Class 2June 4, 2016 at 12:19 AM

      Nat si bhoy have you got over September 2014 yet!

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    2. Why is this annoying wee prick still allowed on here? The gutless git. How well did your lot do coward?

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    3. 23 doesn't appear to realise that he's being laughed at, not with. We laugh at him, and the Tories and Kippers cynically use him.

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    4. just a wee reminder of what we are not. almost amusing as it is sad. keep reminding us GWC2.

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    5. Paul, I think James has explained before if I am right, that there is no way to block or remove a rogue commenter. Just ignore, and skim past thicko comments.

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  4. Contrary to the collected wisdom of PB.com. I think Gove is not a bad bet for next PM.

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    1. Wouldn't that be jolly?
      it would it would be like Piers Fletcher-Dervish (MP) getting the last laugh over Alan B'Stard (MP),
      and its been SUCH a long time since we had a chinless PM

      CHIN CHIN...OH!

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  5. Is the conservative campaign finance corruption issue effecting the brexit referendum? Is it likely that the judges would actually void these races and send them to prison? If not, why do the other parties not follow? Also, from here it looks like a bunch were surprises where the lib dems expected to hold seats. It is one thing to compete with a partner, is the whole betraying a partner by cheating issue considered. Enquiring americans, eell, three or four of us, want to know!

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    1. The establishment run media are blanking the expenses corruption, so it will be having little effect on brexit.

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    2. Glasgow Working Class 2June 5, 2016 at 1:55 AM

      Any sincere Nat si would want tae leave the EU. Scotland would loose its nationhood and become a Franco/German bank statement. Oohts Scoot and get oot off this corrupt shit hoose.

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    3. Eat your cereal, 23.

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  6. If he is, it is because of the lack of alternatives

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  7. Gove wants independence for the UK but not for Scotland, Wales and N Ireland.

    Salmond wants independence for Scotland but not for the Lothians, the Borders or the O&S Isles.

    Not much difference there, really - except from in geographic scale.

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    1. You know what Aldo, I could very well agree with that logic.

      But the, we would both be wrong

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    2. Aldo, don't know about the Lothians or Borders, but there was a poll done on O&S a couple of years ago and the result was over 90% remaining part of Scotland.
      In any case, the Charter of the UN guarantee's the territorial integrity of any country gaining independence.

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    3. Gove wants Indy for Greater Ingerland but that floats over yer Yoon heid!

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    4. There's also the not insignificant difference that Scotland (if not the others in quite the same way) remains a country, as part of a political union, a fact which no amount of unionist dissembling changes. Lothians, Borders and O&S have at no time, to the best of my knowledge, ever existed as independent countries in any reasonable interpretation of that political construct.

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    5. OK.No idea why that comes up as 'Unknown', I did actually put my name to it. Still, first time posting........

      Alisdair Smith

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    6. OK.No idea why that comes up as 'Unknown', I did actually put my name to it. Still, first time posting........

      Alisdair Smith

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  8. Glasgow Working Class 2June 5, 2016 at 1:23 AM

    The Joke Nat sis are at a loose end. They want independence in Europe and subsidies from England,. Hard choice who tae mooch fae. Sad lot of spongers but not really Scottish. The Scottish workin Class need tae rid themselves fae ra Nat si middle class lawyer types. eg: eck, knickerless and the other Nat si camp followers.

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    1. Eat your cereal, 23.

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