Monday, August 31, 2015

George Osborne has a very special treat for Scotland

Just a quick note to let you know that I have a new article at the International Business Times, about George Osborne's grotesque belief that he is 'rewarding' Scotland for voting No by imposing the renewed Trident on us.  You can read it HERE.

I trust you appreciate my dedication to duty, because I wrote it even though I'm on holiday at the moment.  That's not quite as bad as it sounds, because I was on a long coach journey in Italy when I was asked to do it, and I had a few hours to kill anyway.  Feel free to share it on Facebook and Twitter if you like it!

By the way, just to continue burnishing my 'Too Nat' credentials for a moment, I saw a saltire and Lion Rampant fluttering proudly at the sea-front in Ancona today.  I wasn't quick enough on the draw with my camera, unfortunately...

168 comments:

  1. So, we get a decent dollop of cash for the faslane area and more Yes votes.

    Every cloud has a silver lining.

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  2. Son of Trident as promised by son of the Manse Gordon Brown. The Vow is being honoured!

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  3. The British government is fulfilling its responsibilities towards the Scottish people - creating and retaining jobs and investing in our economy as well as bolstering the defence systems we all rely on for our national security. At least they are acting like a government - unlike the SNP, whose politics never moved beyond the fifth year common room.

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    1. "At least they are acting like a government - unlike the SNP, whose politics never moved beyond the fifth year common room."

      It's hardly like for like when one government has complete control over finances, jobs, investment, economy and defence and the other does not.

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    2. Taranaich, they could at least focus on what they do have control of - education, police, NHS (all a mess) and refrain from criticising the UK government when it makes decisions that will guarantee thousands of Scottish jobs.

      But this is what happens when you put the hard left in charge of anything. Gesture politics, rallies, 'no to nukes', constitutional navel gazing. Meanwhile, the bread and butter stuff gets forgotten about - too 'boring'.

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    3. How come Scots have the highest satisfaction and confidence in their NHS?

      If the Scottish NHS is a mess, the English NHS must be really shite. Oh, but of course, the Tories have been looking after it since 2010.

      https://yougov.co.uk/news/2015/02/04/welsh-confidence-nhs-significantly-lower-england/

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    4. Aldo,

      The mess you refer to is mostly wishful thinking. NHS and Education performance is up, crime rates are down. If you want this to improve, guess who controls the purse strings. Also, guess what £500M would do for these services?

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    5. Education is 'improved' because they have reduced the number of examinations, replacing them with meaningless internal assessments that everybody passes. The recent higher maths exam had a cut off score of 34% for a pass, 60% for a grade A. Pupils from primary schools leave P7 without a decent grasp of basic literacy and numeracy. Education is screwed under the SNP.

      Police Scotland has been continually under fire for months. They let a woman die in a crashed vehicle, having gone 3 days without responding to the emergency call. The outgoing police chief has implored the Scottish government to do something about Police Scotland, saying it's "on its knees". Gordon Wilson, former leader of the SNP, has also spoke up on this issue - calling on the organisation to be broken up.

      NHS - continually misses its targets, starved of funds due to SNP free prescriptions policy and also the SNP underspend. The UK government gives money to the Scottish government, which the Scottish government then doesn't spend - yet still pleads poverty.

      Our roads are a mess due to the 8 year long council tax freeze.

      Teacher numbers are down. Class sizes are up. Again, the council tax freeze is probably at the root of this.

      The SNP are screwing up Scotland but its people are too drunk on nationalism to see it and deliver the appropriate response.

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    6. Also, fewer poor people going to college / uni than the rest of the UK.

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    7. Incorrect on all accounts Aldo. You finished your daily record yet?

      Your ineptitude to look at the bigger picture is laughable.

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    8. Anon, how many school pupils failed the SNP's National 3 and 4 courses last year? What percentage of them?

      Would it surprise you much if I told you that no one failed?

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    9. The big problem with Trident replacement is that the bulk of the money, around £80bn, will be paid to the USA for the development and servicing of the systems. This is a huge economic import for the country.

      If we really needed these WMD, then it should be a home grown development so at least the UK could benefit from skills and economic recirculation.

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    10. We had our own nuclear weapons programme, Blue Streak, in the 1950s/60s. The Americans preferred uniformity and offered to sell us their deterrent. We accepted and Blue Streak was scrapped.

      As long as we have nuclear weapons, I'm not particularly bothered who builds them - as long as they're one of our allies.

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  4. I got Ipsos Mori-d on Friday night - Glasgow, male, 30. Standard voter intention for Holyrood ("if the election was tomorrow..."), whether Kez or Corbyn would make me more or less likely to vote Labour, an interesting question about what is one thing Labour could do to make me vote for them, whether/when I'd support indyref2 (2, 5, 10, 20 years), how much I trust different public figures/services, then a load on what public services I do and would use online, ending with one on whether I think the fox hunting ban in Scotland is working or not. A mixed bag, I can't tell whether it was SNP/Scot Gov, or Labour trying to sound out policy positions for Holyrood 2016.

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  5. Is this even about the deterrent? Faslane as is hosts 4 submarines. If the Vanguards are replaced on a one for one basis then that number will go up to 11. If the SSBN's in whatever form were not replaced (which you want) the number of subs at Faslane would still increase to 7, and soon.

    So Trident or no trident the base probably needs a bit of upgrading to support increased hulls. but lets not let that get in the way you you having a whine.

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    1. I'm not complaining. Money and more Yes votes is not bad at all.

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    2. Eh? Where the hell do you get your numbers from? Current submarine fleet. Is 8 total! Soon to reduce to 6.

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  6. Westminster unionists continue to bolster the independence movement in Scotland. The Butcher's Apron gets more and more clarty with every passing day.

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  7. The state broadcaster up to its usual impartial standards: "This investment was unlocked by the no vote" says Glen Campbell.

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  8. 80% of Faslane workers hail from England and Wales. Who is this benefiting?

    Oh the local communities with services etc. Except the Base is like an airport with everything on site,shops, bars and cinema. The English workers never need to leave the Base.

    Finally fuck the jobs. I don't want people in jobs to maintain something that can destroy the world.

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  9. Glasgow Working ClassAugust 31, 2015 at 7:34 PM

    Great announcement for the defense of the nation. Nat sis and hard lefties will be gutted. They have no notion of history. Bunch of braindead weaklings that would have sold us out to Hitler and Stalin. Fuckin idiots the lot. Wee Nicola was fuming and mumbling her usual incoherent crap.

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    1. The comment below was aimed at you!

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    2. Whatever happened to the left, I wonder? Who came along and cut their balls off while simultaneously lobotomising them? Clement Attlee - that wonderful guy who gave us the NHS, British Rail and cradle to grave welfare - was also the man who first acquired nuclear weapons for Britain. He was pro nukes, pro death penalty, pro corporal punishment. He was Britain's most successful left wing leader yet, if he were alive today, he'd be decried by the left as a fascist or, even worse, a RED TORY

      LOL!

      If you're going to represent the working class, you need to have working class attitudes. The campaign to disarm Britain of its primary weapon is a bit, well......are we still allowed to say limp wristed?

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    3. Eh? Are you and Glasgow working class the same person?

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    4. No. He's a socialist, I'm a tory.

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    5. Have you got a split personality? I know where you can get help.....

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    6. I've never thought much of Attlee. Not a democrat and very much a unionist.

      Supporter of nuclear weapons too.

      Some of his welfare stuff was good but that's it.

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    7. "Some of his welfare stuff was good but that's it"

      Is that all you can say about the man who eradicated absolute poverty in Britain?

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  10. Always good for a laugh. Do you really think us plebs will benefit the minute one of those missiles go off?

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    1. Glasgow Working ClassAugust 31, 2015 at 8:09 PM

      The general idea is that we can respond and avoid attack. Your great leader Donaldson must have been so disappointed that his pal Adolf failed with the V1 & 2 in defeating your hated English.
      It was great watching the pipers tabbing doon the Mile. Hoots Mon ra noo.

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    2. In reality that would never happen and you know that. Even if we got lucky, the impact on a global ecological scale would ensure the end of the human race

      Go find some brain cells, you severely lacking them.

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    3. Nothing could wipe out the human race, except a disaster on a cosmic scale. There are simply too many of us, too widely scattered. We can hide up mountains, in caves, deep underground. We can use our technology to dig holes to shelter in.

      Absolutely nothing can wipe out the human race except a cosmic disaster. I doubt even a supervolcanic eruption or super plague could wipe us out totally. Climate change would hit the harvest and inundate the coastal regions. But billions of humans would still be alive.

      Collapse of civilisation - that's a different matter. A 1918 style flu pandemic has a good chance of doing that. You don't need nuclear weapons - mother nature is destructive enough.

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    4. Again, you are wrong Aldo. Your arrogance and stupidity are astounding.

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    5. Seems a stupendous waste of money, especially given the fact that conventional forces are being pared back to the bone. In reality, it's not an independent deterrent, and is in fact more of a very expensive status symbol (to keep up the pretence of being a great power). If even generals in the US are questioning the usefulness of British forces when they are so pared back (which is not to question their professionalism) and suggesting it might be more beneficial to spend even a fraction of the Trident money on conventional forces, then perhaps, just perhaps, the conventional wisdom that Trident is necessary should be revisited. That's before even mentioning any moral dimension of course.

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    6. Seems a stupendous waste of money, especially given the fact that conventional forces are being pared back to the bone. In reality, it's not an independent deterrent, and is in fact more of a very expensive status symbol (to keep up the pretence of being a great power). If even generals in the US are questioning the usefulness of British forces when they are so pared back (which is not to question their professionalism) and suggesting it might be more beneficial to spend even a fraction of the Trident money on conventional forces, then perhaps, just perhaps, the conventional wisdom that Trident is necessary should be revisited. That's before even mentioning any moral dimension of course.

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    7. The only things with a realistic chance of erasing the human race from the planet completely are a comet / asteroid impact, encounter with a wandering star or black hole, gamma ray burst from nearby supernovae or changes in the composition, size and radiation of our sun as it ages (the last one will not happen for a VERY long time).

      As I said, a disaster on a cosmic scale. Nuclear war - as horrible as it may be - doesn't qualify.

      Do some research.

      Aldo

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  11. The base supports jobs in Scotland's private sector economy. What do you think happens if, for example, machinery in the base or on one of the submarines needs repaired? Scottish firms are sub contracted to do it. I know people who have worked on that base who aren't directly employed by it.

    Finally, nuclear weapons may have the potential to destroy the world (as does bio engineering, by the way), but they also have the potential to save millions of lives through deterrence. And we've had nuclear weapons since 1952. So far, no disasters, no attacks.

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    1. You are a fanny Aldo. Contracts go to tender across the UK. Subs are built at Barrow in furness. Trident is made in the US. Very little of that money goes to Scottish contractors. The main body of work on the subs is done by three large companies. Can you manage how much work/jobs would be created investing in construction projects?

      Life on earth would not continue if the missile system was used in its entirety! The fall out would destroy the ecosystem, that would starve/poison any survivors from the initial blasts.

      Stop acting as is you know what you are talking about. Your arrogance is revealing.

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    2. Mod says trident supports 500 local jobs, not many thousands as George claims.

      http://www.nuclearinfo.org/article/uk-trident-operational-berths/ministry-defence-reveals-just-520-faslane-jobs-depend-trident

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    3. The same investment could support far more jobs providing houses, schools etc. as for deterrence, Spain, Italy, Denmark,etc.etc, no nuke deterrent, no attacks, your point is?

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    4. Glasgow Working ClassAugust 31, 2015 at 8:13 PM

      Tell that to Iran, China, Pakistan and Russia etc. The countries you name are protected by the NATO Alliance. Do you Nat sis have any political education at all!

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    5. Lol, you silly little person, trying to scare people. Do you think we should go and invade them?

      Listen, if the nukes get launched, we are fooked! Got that. You, everyone you love, gone in a flash. NO ONE Wins

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    6. "You are a fanny Aldo"

      And you are a ned, apparently. I think I'd rather be a fanny!

      The nukes have kept the peace for 70 years. No one dares launch a war of aggression on the same scale as WW1 and 2 because they are scared of nuclear weapons. It really is that simple. Had the West and USSR not both been armed with nuclear weapons from 1949 onward, do you seriously think the cold war would have stayed cold?

      In the long run, we are all dead. There are any number of things that can wipe out humanity - man made and otherwise. But if something makes you safer - if, on balance, it is more likely to protect you than kill you - then you might as well have it.

      To me, as a British citizen first and foremost, it does not particularly matter to me whether the jobs are held by Scots or otherwise. I'll leave that sort of petty parochialism to the provincial nationalists. We all pay into the same system. We all receive from the same system. So an extra taxpayer is welcome - whether he hails from Aberdeen or Bristol or anywhere in between.

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    7. Why bring up the nationalism of the workers in the first place?

      There has been no peace for 70 years you fool! There is no evidence to suggest that the scale of war has been less due to WMD. It's not been that fat of it though in some cases, Cambodia mean anything to you?

      You really are brain washed by your right wing views. I am most definitely not a ned but you are definitely a fanny and not the good kind.

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    8. Oh bless - the nationalists think that if an organisation employs 500 people then 'only' 500 people benefit from said organisation.

      Oh dear. I think we have to go back to Standard Grade Geography here. If you fire someone they have less money to spend and services that rely upon their custom suffer. They may have to lay people off too, who then have less money to spend on the services they require....

      Shutting down Faslane would send serious destabilising ripples through the Scottish, UK and world economies. It's not just 500 people sent hame, wi a lang face, tae England, tae think again...

      Anyway, this whole topic is moot. Scotland voted to be part of the UK and the pro Trident tories have an absolute majority. The nationalists talking about scrapping Trident is like a woman talking about having a baby....at age 90...

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    9. Glasgow Working ClassAugust 31, 2015 at 9:04 PM

      Aldo for a Tory you talk some sense sad that your Tartan Tories have their heads up their arses when it comes to defense. History is not their forte. Too many sad songs about Charlie and Culloden have clouded their narrow minds.

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    10. To 'anonymous'

      How would you be able to tell a good fanny, having never seen one?

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    11. Since we are dropping the tone,

      Your mum's is beautiful ;-)

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    12. More Yes votes is fine with me Aldo.

      I'm well chuffed with George the day. Money and Yes votes!

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    13. Hmm, you two (same person) are rather odd. Why would you spend your time pretending to be two people in a disagreement?

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    14. Yes votes Scottish Skier? About a year too late for that.

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    15. Anon, are you sure it wasn't your uncles cock?

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  12. More Scots are employed building the new Forth crossing. That's something that benefits Scotland.

    As for the sycophantic morons who think the Tories are trying to protect the plebs. You guys deserve everything that's coming down the line. The Tories want to ruin Scotland and you want to take some masochistic pleasure in seeing your own lives vandalised.

    I really despair at how deep this British brainwashing has got. You are canon fodder for the Tories ambition.

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  13. Glasgow Working ClassAugust 31, 2015 at 8:16 PM

    The New Forth is almost completed war is always with us. Try history young man! Or are are you an old idiot?

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    1. Read post above. Nukes launched, us gone. What's the point!

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  14. Glasgow Working ClassAugust 31, 2015 at 8:57 PM

    If you are gone that is a bonus however the thingy has been invented and there is nothing we can do about it. Of course you may have a cunning plan to dis- invent it and convince those who do have it to disarm.

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    1. Disarm and Lead by example?

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    2. So who will be next to follow Britain's example. Below is a list of the world's nuclear weapons states:

      UK
      USA
      France
      Russia
      China
      Pakistan
      India
      Israel
      North Korea

      Just tell me - which of those others do you think will go next? Will Putin join us? Kim Jong Un? Or will they get a good laugh at our naivety?

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    3. Will we care with extra revenue for something worth while and a hell of a lot more jobs?

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    4. Glasgow Working ClassAugust 31, 2015 at 9:37 PM

      Anon. And who will follow the example?

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    5. Something worth while = ne'er-do-wells and the bad back brigade. They want more money. They always want more money - they just don't want to have to work for it.

      Dismantling of Britain's defence system will do - more money for booze and fags.

      Yeah! Vote SNP!

      Thank Christ someone can overrule these children.

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    6. Money is on India

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    7. Glasgow Working ClassAugust 31, 2015 at 9:48 PM

      Anon. You would defend the Nation wae ra wee Cock Sparra wae a bow an arra. Give up Anon you have lost.

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    8. Explain why they wouldn't follow suit? You're doing yourself a disservice there, Glasgow working class. The nation is defenceless ad it is, 139,000 personnel? That's barely an Army! The days of the empire are over, the UK is a small fish. Trident is unaffordable, unacceptable and unnecessary.

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    9. India will only disarm if Pakistan disarms.

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    10. Forget to change your sign in name there Aldo??? Ha ha ha.

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    11. Glasgow Working ClassAugust 31, 2015 at 11:32 PM

      I could not possibly explain what other nations would do except to say they would not leave themselves vulnerable to the whims of other nations.

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    12. Ha ha. We are always vulnerable regardless. Falklands ring a bell? Or London attacks? Step away from your illusion of safety. Nuclear weapons make the world more unsafe than ever! If you got that into your head, maybe we'd be safer.

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  15. anon at 7:44PM "Eh? Where the hell do you get your numbers from? Current submarine fleet. Is 8 total! Soon to reduce to 6."

    4 Vanguard plus 7 (planned) Astute, all of which will be based on the Clyde makes 11.

    That stays 11 if the Vanguards are replaced 1 for 1. Falls to 7 is we only keep the SSN's.

    So at least 11 subs is what the base will have to support.

    The last Astute is due to enter service around 2024, the first vanguard replacement is due to enter service around 2028 on current plans.

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  16. Ah, key there being planned.

    I still don't get where you are getting your figures from.

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    1. Currently 4 Trafalgar class in service and 2 Astutes. There will be 7 Astutes, That is 7 built, builing, or about to begin building.

      The T's are based down south. The Astutes are being based in faslane.

      Faslane right now only houses the Vanguards (and so far first two Astutes) plus some minesweepers and the like.

      There are 4 Vanguards. The vanguards are the ones that carry the trident missile. The Vanguards are going to be replaced (the missiles will out last the subs).

      So you have a base that was supporting 4 subs (the SSBN's or Vanguards).

      That base will also be housing the Astutes (SSN) two just now will go up to 7 by 2024. By 2024 (unless we disarm) there will also be 4 Vanguards in service which takes us to 11.

      if we do disarm then Faslane will still have the Astutes (which are also probably a target for nuclear weapons if Putin gets totally shit faced) and there will be 7 of them alone.

      So SSBN + SSN gets you to 11.

      SSN but no SSBN gets you to 7 (by 2024).

      We were at 4, when it was only the vanguards in Faslane but with the Astutes coming into service we are now at 6.


      I really don't see how I can make it any simpler. Unless you are actually asking for a source for those numbers, at which point I can only point you towards the Royal navy website or even wiki if you prefer.

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  17. I look forward to seeing the SNP wearing their ceremonial gimp masks in parliament as the conservative MAJORITY government + DUP + UUP + UKIP + about half the parliamentary Labour Party vote to renew Trident, in Scotland, for another 30 years.

    Goodnicht!

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    1. Will you look as happily upon the end of the union, due to this kind of decision making?

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    2. What does 'Goodnicht" mean?

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    3. Glasgow Working ClassAugust 31, 2015 at 10:33 PM

      I think he meant gutenabend it is gay lick for good night.

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    4. You are an idiot.

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    5. I don't think Trident has the potential to 'end the union', anon. It's been there for decades with no ill effect and a boost to our economy. Outside of the far left CND face painters, I don't really think anyone cares. They either approve of Trident or have no strong opinion on it either way.

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  18. Why do unionists read a pro indi blog? Answers on a postcard.

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    1. Glasgow Working ClassAugust 31, 2015 at 11:26 PM

      It is simply because you need to read some basic common sense. We are just being sympathetic and helpful as well as giving historically correct information.
      Nat sis tend to make things up as they go along.

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    2. Ha ha ha. What a load of nonsense. Back to your hole you pathetic little troll!

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    3. Because I want to know what the enemy is thinking.

      Aldo

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    4. "I'm now confident that it will not happen." Aldo, Aug 31, 2015.

      "I want to know what the enemy is thinking." Aldo, Sep 1, 2015.

      Confident, but yet paranoid. Hmm.

      Interesting bunch these Unionists. Their internal psychological conflicts must be a heavy cross to bear.




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    5. Why would I want to read something I already agree with?

      I'd learn nothing, my existing opinions would be reinforced and I'd feed confirmation bias. I'd feel good about myself, but the price would be stagnation and parochialism.

      No thanks. You can stick with your comfort blanket though, I believe that's why Fox News is so popular.

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    6. My confidence arises from what I see on here :0)

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    7. @Anon 2:25

      You've just won the cup. But instead of enjoying your moment of glory, you're hanging about the losers' dressing room trying to start arguments about why you're the best.

      You might call it protecting reason from the horrors of confirmation bias, stagnation and parochialism.

      Where I come from, we call it taking the piss.

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    8. @ Anon 8:53

      You'd have a point if any of the other comments were mine, but they're not. That was the only post I've made on this page.
      I'm not interested in trying to change anyone else's mind. You have your reasons for voting Yes, I'm assuming they are good ones and you're happy with your choice. That's fine by me.

      I read here because I get an alternative point of view. Sometimes it causes me to change my perspective. At the very least it helps me understand why other people see things differently from me.

      Empathy is important.

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  19. Again why...still getting that echo in here from trolls bouncing off walls.

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  20. Glasgow Working ClassSeptember 1, 2015 at 12:23 AM

    You are always looking for an answer you want to hear. That is a sign of inadequacie.

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  22. That is a sign of inadequacie.

    Really?

    Inadequancy maybe?

    I used to be 'Glasgow Working Class' and then I retired.

    You, sir, are no more 'Glasgow Working Class' than a fucking trolley bus is nowadays a means of getting around our fair city.


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    1. Glasgow Working ClassSeptember 1, 2015 at 1:36 AM

      I used tae call my teachers Sir. But you are a nonentity that follows the Salmond English hate chap. Just when there is hope for the human race up pops Scottish Nat sis. Looks like the enlightenment was a waste of time.

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    2. I am no Sir, I promise you that.

      I probably am a nonentity. Does that make you feel better about yourself or summat?

      Even nonetities such as I am allowed, subject to not offending the host too much, to respond to good folk such as yourself.

      So.

      You cannot enter a discussion without throwing a punch first.

      It seems to me that claiming to be Glasgow Working Class is, probably, a claim too far. I vcan claim as much with exactly the same credibility as your good self. My name is douglas clark and your's is a claim to a legacy. How, exactly, does that work?

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      Your crediility about trolleybus depots is on a shakey nail. There certainly was a tram depot at Hampden, trolleybuses, not so much.

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      For your benefit, I know there are more than thee and me reading this, so you might want to ameliorate your tone, last hint about how to conduct an internet debate in an open forum

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      The enlightenment was good. Which bit of it did you not understand? There are amazing things called books you could read. If you want to, of course.


      Nice meeting you uniion bro.

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  23. Glasgow Working ClassSeptember 1, 2015 at 12:57 AM

    The 105 used tae pass ma hoose . I recall it run fae Hampden Depot. And our fair city could be run by Tartan Tories after decades of struggle getting rid of their Tory Pals.

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    1. The 105 used tae pass ma hoose . I recall it run fae Hampden Depot. And our fair city could be run by Tartan Tories after decades of struggle getting rid of their Tory Pals.

      Your just a nostalgia socialist, aren't you?

      Well, not exactly that even. Nostalgic for a Labour Party that would 'fix' stuff for you if you were in the fold.

      It makes me sick.

      Your sort did their best to divide and conquer, and you won for a ridiculous number of years.

      Now, go the way of the trollybus, please, pretty, pretty, please?

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    2. He's an idiot, ignore the troll.

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    3. Glasgow Working ClassSeptember 1, 2015 at 11:38 AM

      dc. I am not a socialist. I am a democrat. And I did use the 105. I am nostalgic about Publicly Owned Transport. Pity the Tartan Tories are not.

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  24. Watching the Embra Tattoo on TV last night. That's the first time I can remember GSTQ being played, and a huge UK plastered all over the castle.
    Know your place, damn natives.

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    1. Glasgow Working ClassSeptember 1, 2015 at 11:31 AM

      After all it is a British Military Tattoo so what other flag should have been presented?

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    2. The White Flag that Britnats like yourself flew during the referendum?

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  25. Someone here doesn't appear to have gotten over their Maths exam failure fiasco.
    I have only two words to say on the subject:
    How very tedious.

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  26. Juteman I was at the Tattoo. When the posh English announcer said stand if you can for the national anthem. All around people were baffled when Gstq came on.

    I sat down and I can assure you noone sang along. You can lead a horse to water and all that. The other thing they did was lower the flags for the flight squadrons lament but left the huge Union Flag up.

    They also played a lament for fighting Mac. The Brit Scot from Sunderland who fought in the Boar war but was outed as a pedophile. Apparently this was just scandal with no substance. A Savelesque cover up by Brit Establishment no doubt

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    1. Playing GSTQ at the Edinburgh Tattoo is a bit like putting a 'Finest British Haggis' label on the chieftain o the puddin race, or 'Glenlivet Finest British Single Malt'.

      It's not what tourists are looking for really. Hardly surprising it didn't get much of a reception.

      If folk want British stuff; London is the place. They're obsessed with British nationalism down there; flags everywhere, even in railway stations.

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  27. While I'm sure we've all had a good laugh at the pair of Pouter imbeciles on here and their hysterical shrieking, it is still worth noting how wildly out of touch Osborne and the nasty party are with public opinion. Since, for some 'bizarre' reason, in Scotland wasting £100Billion on unuseable weapons of mass destruction during austerity is deeply unpopular and will most certainly be featuring heavily in the Holyrood campaign.

    It's also amusing to see Osbrowne (the public school twit who couldn't even tax a pasty) pre-empting the vote as we know at least 75% of the Labour PPC's were against trident. Not to mention the vote is taking place next year when the it's the nasty party's turn to start tearing themselves to pieces over being a pro-Europe pro-EU immigration party or not. Whether or not the Cameroons succeed in making the official tory party position on Europe a Heathite one - it is a certainty they are going to seriously piss off a good chunk of their own MPs who will be less than inclined to toe the party line on votes from there on in.

    Finally it's worth reminding ourselves that the same westminster bubble idiots who believed Blair's obvious bullshit about imaginary WMD in Iraq still don't seem to have a clue just how dangerous the real WMD just outside of Glasgow are.

    Trident whistleblower: nuclear 'disaster waiting to happen'

    https://wikileaks.org/trident-safety/

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    1. Wasn't that 'whistleblower' a Walter Mitty fantasist who talked of someone trying to 'off' him and predicted a "violent revolution"?

      A fully paid up member of the tin foil hat brigade - bit like yourself Mick.

      Aldo

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    2. Just how hard is it for someone, even someone as clearly 'dolly dimple' as yourself Dildo, to understand "Piss off you ignorant Pouter fuckwit."

      Do we need seriously to write it in all-caps before your tiny Daily Mail brain can finally grasp it?

      You, of course, believed every word of Blair's laughably flimsy bullshit about Iraq's imaginary WMD like a good little toryboy twit. So we're hardly going to be giving the slightest credence to your moronic and clumsy attempts to smear someone who self-evidently knows 10,000 times more about the subject of Trident and nuclear safety than you ever will. :-)

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    3. Are your celebration plans in place for naw day yet, Mick?

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    4. Yep, your source is the same person I was thinking of. Nutjob, Walter Mitty, personal problems, petty officer for about 5 mins before missing his mummy, no knowledge, no experience, face like the front of a Trident submarine, obvious yesser / SNPer.

      Next! :0)

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    5. That how he was described in your Daily Mail you feeble-minded toryboy. LOL

      Nobody on here is dumb enough to mistake your shrieking assertions and hilariously inept smearing for anything close to the truth, you ridiculous Pouter twit.

      Run along back to Stormfront Lite Dildo, as the nasty party is clearly missing one of their most amusing village idiots.

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    6. Aldo gives village idiots a bad name Mick. But at least he has found a friend
      with Glasgow work experience.



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    7. So, Mick, you deny your source is a junior crew member who did not have enough knowledge to correctly judge the safety situation? You also deny that he predicted "violent revolution" in the letter put out by him just before going absent without leave?

      It seems your 'source' is about as reliable as the SNP's oil predictions.

      Aldo

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  28. Glasgow Working ClassSeptember 1, 2015 at 11:48 AM

    It seems to me that there is definately an underlying burning anti English hatred on here by you Nat sis. Not healthy at all in the 21st century.

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    1. The English Times polled this and found English people dislike Scots more than the other way around.

      15% of Scots said they had a negative view of English people compared to 22% (1.5 x higher) of English people who said they had a negative view of Scots.

      Also, 13% of English (born) living in Scotland said they had a negative view of English people; within MoE the same level as the population of Scotland as a whole. This supports Scots being only as anti-English as English people are. However, as noted, English people are much more anti-Scots.

      http://www.panelbase.com/media/polls/W7181stn.pdf

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    2. Yeah, i hate my two English cousins. Really. Numpty.

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    3. Glasgow Working ClassSeptember 1, 2015 at 5:13 PM

      Well why do you want to break the great Union and hand power over the the EU (Germany)? The Bundesbank. Have you no shame. Do you reall want border contols at Gretna? Anyhow Osborne has played his card and fucked you Nat sis.

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    4. I also have cousins in the USA, but i don't want them running Scotland either. They already govern the UK, you Yankee numpty.

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    5. Do you have a ham shank listening to speeches from Blair and Bush?
      I bet your socks stuck to the wall the morning after Blair and Bush flew the Union flag over Baghdad.

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    6. And as for that 'Royal' family you worship, i've actually spoken to most of them, unlike yourself, who has only viewed them on the screen of a semen stained laptop.

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    7. Why do you use various web names, when you have already been outed as the UKIPer James McGibbon?

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    8. UKIP you say?

      UKIP voters dislike people from other nations of the UK the most

      23% of Scottish 2015 UKIP voters think negatively of English people; well ahead of the 15% for the Scots population as a whole.

      34% of English 2015 UKIP voters think negatively of Scottish People; again well ahead of the 22% for the English population as a whole.

      English Tory voters are the next big dislikers of people across the border: 31% think negatively of the Scots.

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    9. Glasgow Working ClassSeptember 1, 2015 at 6:52 PM

      I have never contributed to UPIP in any way. I consider the SNP to be more right wing than UKIP. At least UKIP are up front and not deceatfull liars.
      Actuall I think Sturgeon and Salmond are for the deterrent but for political reasons pander to the braindead Nat si membership. As for my name that is only what it is. You fool.

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    10. UKIP are the most hateful voters. It's weird; they even hate people they want to be in union with.

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    11. @ James McGibbon.
      UPIP is probably better.
      Are you related to the McGibbon that stood for election in Glasgow as UKIP?

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    12. What do you UPAP,s talk about at meetings?
      'Who has the most thumbs', is probably a popular game.

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    13. Glasgow Working ClassSeptember 1, 2015 at 8:41 PM

      I did not know anyone called McGibbon stood for UKIP and do not care.

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    14. "15% of Scots said they had a negative view of English people compared to 22% (1.5 x higher) of English people who said they had a negative view of Scots."

      There's a good explanation for this: the 15% of rabid anti-English Scottish nationalists making the entire country look bad. That's usually the great irony of nationalism: it claims to be about pride in your nation but almost always tarnishes that nation's reputation.

      There's always been that minority in Scotland. It's got nothing to do with independence, which is a simple Yes/No question where people just pick whatever they think is best (no nationalism required). You could well end up with 50% or more of the country backing independence without the number of rabid nationalists increasing beyond 15-20%.

      Scottish nationalism is a fundamentally different thing from backing independence: it's an unthinking, reactionary, divisive and entirely unpleasant beast, focused on grievance, hatred, paranoia, anger and all the other primitive emotions that usually drive nationalism. It's no better or worse than genuine British nationalism and it would still exist among this minority whether we're independent or not.

      One of the great successes of the SNP has been to wipe these people from public view by ejecting them from the frontline of the party and claiming everyone is a "civic nationalist" by default (despite the fact that we all know this is nonsense and that a solid proportion are anything but "civic nationalists"). The fact that any mention of anti-English sentiments provokes utter outrage from SNP supporters is just indicative of how close to the bone the issue is.

      I suggest a better approach would be to acknowledge these people exist, that they constitute a significant percentage of the SNP's support (by no means a majority) and call them up on their ridiculous behaviour as and when it arises. Of course that will never happen: instead you'll just defend every anti-English person to the hilt or turn it around and start claiming the English are all just as bad. Which is of course how nationalists in both countries always operate - they hurl insults at each other while the majority of us who detest all forms of nationalism get caught in the crossfire.

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    15. Erm, did you not look at the poll?

      The 15% contains unionist voters from the Tories, Lab, Lib, UKIP etc. Quite a good few of them take a dim view of the English it seems. Which is kinda weird, but hey ho!

      UKIP voters in Scotland the most anti-English.

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  29. We know that the English are anti Scots with terms like Jocks,Sweaties and like to describe us. Yet if a Scot dares to nickname the English we are hauled through the coals. Hence there is no generic term for an Englishman in Scotland. We just take people as we find them. Tagging people has always been a way of downgrading them.

    Before any troll days Sasenachs. The term was invented for all non native highlanders.

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    1. I'll never forget the day I heard a fellow Scot described as "Jock". I was shaking with anger for this slight against my peoples' dignity. We who have suffered in poverty, with the burning shame of our iphone 5's and non HD TVs - called "jocks". Do they have no compassion?

      I suppose I'll just have to comfort myself in the knowledge this evil slur actually means "good looking sporty guy" in American.

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    2. Bet you looked at that post in retrospect Aldo and though 'God that was a bit of a crap comeback'. But with no edit feature...

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    3. Glasgow Working ClassSeptember 1, 2015 at 7:02 PM

      Hey Aldo. Those Nat sis are real. My father fought Nazi scum in the Middle East. He got letters for years from English friends that served with him. They always called him Jock and it was not a problem. Something is wrong in the heids of Nat sis. They would rather do a deal with Herman the former Nazis than with their neighbour who they are in breed with. There is no accounting for their mentality. Just a bunch of fuckin idiots.

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    4. UKIP voters like the Germans much more than the allied French according to that poll.

      Tories really like the Germans and don't like the allied French so much.

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    5. There is a historical parallel right enough - SNP supported der fuhrer in WW2 and now they want to be ruled by Frau Merkel.

      The Nationalists tell us they are new nationalists - civic nationalists - cuddly wee bear nationalists that only want independence so they can love everyone even more.

      But their love of ze fatherland kind of gives the game away.

      :0)

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    6. In breed with?
      See you James McGibbon, you're just a sandwich short of a picnic.

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    7. Glasgow Working ClassSeptember 1, 2015 at 8:26 PM

      As long as ra sannies are made wie M&S 50/50 breid.

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    8. M&S? You're talking to yessers here Glasgow - it'll be Tescos value bread for them!

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    9. Glasgow Working ClassSeptember 1, 2015 at 8:53 PM

      From the skip Aldo. I mean since the Tories got in things have been really hard for them. A poor Nat MP has got to live on a meagre 70+ K a year at Her Majesty's pleasure. I think a whip round is required.

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    10. "Tagging people has always been a way of downgrading them."

      Very true, unfortunately I think you're being a bit rose-tinted with the idea that this is somehow an English or anti-independence phenomenon. I don't support independence, but I respect people that do. However just trying to make that argument has led to me being called everything under the sun. No doubt there are idiots on the other side too, but it does seem to me that something about the issue brings out a battle mentality - you can't have a normal conversation about it without someone closing their ears to any counter-evidence and ranting and raving about "loyalists", "unionists", "Tories", "Britnats" and so on.

      I expect the reply I'll get back here will just be along a similar line from some people, but is it really that difficult just to talk about these issues as adults, without the subtext of every conversation being the other side are thick as mince?

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    11. You two are hilarious. Help explain why the Tories + UKIP couldn't even pull off 17% combined.

      'Let's just troll and insult 3/4 of the population* - that'll win hearts and minds!'

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      *Satisfaction ratings for Sturgeon / the SNP. Also the historic average 'Scottish' in SSAS forced choice national identity; 17% being the average 'British' response.

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    12. Our poor Nat MPs being forced to live on such poverty wages drives me mad. I heard Mhairi Black can't even afford Smirnoff Ice any more. Deprived of the drink of the Gods, surely, how much worse can it get?

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    13. Just wait until after the Russia 2018 qualifiers, skier. The % identifying as 'Scottish' may just take a tumble!

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    14. Glasgow Working ClassSeptember 1, 2015 at 10:06 PM

      She will hiv tae settle fur a Gers away Tap. Makes ye feel sad and forget about food banks.

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    15. Aldo i thought you were moving away from trolling and more into the debating arena? Or has the effect of the other troll got to you? Be a man, you don't have to be influenced by him. he's a totally lost cause of a specimen.

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  30. If you like the Scottish hills, even if you don't, a cracking book is 'Mountain Days and Bothy Nights'.
    There is a character described in the book that is a member of the Communist Party, and also the Orange Order.
    Well worth a read.

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    1. Glasgow Working ClassSeptember 1, 2015 at 8:31 PM

      That is not unusual I knew an Irish shop steward and labour party man who said he would leave the labour perty if they done away with Kaflik Schools. People are fickle.

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    2. Glasgow Working ClassSeptember 1, 2015 at 10:15 PM

      Juteman. That book looks interesting and I will get it although my long walking days are now in the past. I do like the Glen Trool area and Suffering Uplands.
      Dumbarton Moor is a trying walk.

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  31. Glasgow Working ClassSeptember 1, 2015 at 11:44 PM

    Mein Gotten Himmel wee Alec Salmund on Newsnight tonight crawling to Europe and wanting out of the Union. Disgusting little sweaty faz. What has happened to Scotland.

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  32. Aww James for pity sakes can you not delete those idiots!! They're fouling up the entire page. Unionists, fine, debate away, but these two are just shitting all over it, they're the worst kind of morons. Thought Aldo might have some backbone and just take to debating, but he's been influenced by the Weirdo.What is your purpose in not just deleting them James? Youv'e made your point that you're tollerant, but jeez!!

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    1. Influenced by the weirdo? Oh well, at least it means I'm not 'the' weirdo.

      Look, it's just a joke! Mhairi Black, Tesco value bread, der fuhrer - it's just a laugh for Goodness' sake! Just as when nats go on about britnats, the orange order and the butcher's apron - they're just having a laugh!

      Get into the spirit of things!

      Aldo

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    2. I personally have no time for yessers who troll unionist pages either. Two wrongs don't make a right. Man up Aldo!

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  33. It's a time waster Aldo. Did it maybe not occur to you that your larff may just be juvenille and actually not very funny. I do think there's hope for you as a human being (ok maybe not a yes voting one) if you grow up a bit, but the other guy...well do you know what the nazis actually did? He thinks he's being clever and no-one her is impressed by him except you. This guy is at best a mindless troll, but borders on being a dangerous holocaust denying type if he persists on likening over half the population he lives amongst with nazis.

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    1. I think the comparison comes from the skilled use of propaganda and grievance politics. No one is seriously suggesting the SNP are going to start killing off no voters.

      Aldo

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  34. Yeah Aldo, we know. Hear and see it regularly in the unionist media ffs. It's the callous use of the metaphor that shows the ignorance, and who the really narrow ones are. anyway, I'm done here. Troll away to your hearts content, there are other blogs where the trolls haven't taken hold.

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    1. I'm not a troll. If you want to see a troll at work, have a read through some of Mick Pork's material. But then that's ok because he's on your side.

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  35. I am completely fed up being told by British nationalists that my Scottish nationalism is a bad thing.
    I am Scottish,live in a nation called Scotland and as such identify myself with that country.
    My hope for the future is an independent state called Scotland which believes in peaceful coexistence with others,the rule of law and rejects violence on all levels.
    The British state has always believed in the use of violence at the drop of a hat to further it's political and economic aims and judging by the latest Westminster thug to visit us,has no intention of changing that stance.
    Those who continue to support the British state are the people who clearly endorse their actions and philosophy which represent a threat to humanity.
    Let's not forget Mr Glasgow Working Class that Hitler took his ideas about concentration camps from the British prisons used to hold Boer captives (including women and children) during their war in South Africa designed to line the pockets of the London elite.
    The vast majority of us Scots abhor what has been done in our name by successive London governments and is a major driver for wanting separation.
    We are not Yorkshire or Hampshire but a country which forms part of a multinational state called the UK and it is our right to decide at any time of our choosing whether we wish to remain part of that arrangement or not.

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    1. Glasgow Working ClassSeptember 2, 2015 at 11:15 PM

      Fook you are clearly a threat to your brain. GO TO SLEEP and give it a rest. You may wake up.

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  36. Does this mean that the Brit Nats will keep us safe from ISIS and immigrants by nuking Calais and most of the middle East and North Africa? Rule Bwitania!

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    1. Glasgow Working ClassSeptember 2, 2015 at 8:40 PM

      Silly not unexpected useless non contributery comment from a Nat si. Fool with head up erse. Probably believes in the baby jesus.

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  37. James, any idea what has happened to the 2015 Scottish Social Attitudes Survey?

    We're September now and not even a mention of any findings. Normally, we'd have seen quite a lot by now.

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    1. Glasgow Working ClassSeptember 2, 2015 at 8:46 PM

      Mein Gott und Himmel you Nats sis seem to be pre occupied with polls. Do you ever shag your mrs. No wonder the population is decreasing.

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  38. Latest poll:

    55% Yes / 45% No ex DK

    That's an 'overwhelming majority for yes'.

    http://news.stv.tv/scotland-decides/news/1327913-stv-poll-scots-would-vote-yes-if-a-second-referendum-were-held-now/

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    1. Aldo has gone unusually quiet. I think he may have choked on the coffee.

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    2. The bogey man is coming Aldo and GWC, Mwahahaha

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    3. Aldo would find this interesting:

      Working full time:
      55% Yes
      42% No

      Working part time:
      54% Yes
      44% No

      Not working:
      65% Yes
      31% No

      Retired
      39% Yes
      58% No

      I did say to him only the over 65's (retired) baby boomers from the post-war consensus era still back the union to a lingering sense of Britishness. For some reason he didn't believe that, even though you see it in polls.

      As the Tories would say:

      "Hard working Scots back independence!"

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    4. Glasgow Working ClassSeptember 2, 2015 at 11:01 PM

      It is not lingering it is permanent. You Nat sis will never take it away. Unless you have something in mind like the Nazis?

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    5. I took a break from posting due to having a job and a life that take priority over sparring with defeated nationalists on the internet.

      The bogeyman is coming? Yes, yes he is. His face is painted blue, he chants "freedumb!", and "nae fear!" - and he's coming to get........the SNP leadership! Lolol!

      The country voted against independence in the only vote that matters and there are myriad obstacles standing between us and independence. So I'm not worried.

      The nationalists are worried though - they're worried they will either fail to seize the moment - or strike at the wrong moment. The pressures on them will eventually become so intense that they will split.

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  39. I'm waiting for James' opinion on the new Ipsos Mori poll. It's like waiting for Spiderman to appear.

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  40. Glasgow Working ClassSeptember 2, 2015 at 11:24 PM

    James avoids Nat sis lack of policy and I do not blame him as they do not have any. none. Just polls for the dimn witt Nat sis. So sad for the human race.

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